MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

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Thatguy66 said:
Agreed but the way they specifically define copy/duplicate AW (illegal) as only exempt if registered prior 2016. Otherwise they can argue after that they were not legally possessed. Basically the new law attempts to codify the prior Healey declaration in retrospect.
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They'll get eaten alive for that. The enforcement notice in 2016 was not a law and this new law is ex post facto if they choose to enforce it that way.
 
I was up in Maine a few days ago on business and I had to make a pit stop on the drive home so I swung into the Cabela's to use the head because it's right off the highway. I was looking around and I was surprised to see that they were selling this kit that was basically a bolt action AR upper.
 
Look at all the pieces of shit:

Barrett, Michael J. Kennedy, Edward J.Brady, Michael D. Kennedy, Robyn K.Brownsberger, William N. Lewis, Jason M.Collins, Nick Lovely, Joan B.Comerford, Joanne M. Mark, Paul W.Creem, Cynthia Stone Miranda, LizCrighton, Brendan P. Montigny, Mark C.Cronin, John J. Moore, Michael O.Cyr, Julian Moran, Susan L.DiDomenico, Sal N. Oliveira, Jacob R.Edwards, Lydia Payano, Pavel M.Eldridge, James B. Rausch, Rebecca L.Feeney, Paul R. Rodrigues, Michael J.Finegold, Barry R. Rush, Michael F.Friedman, Cindy F. Spilka, Karen E.Gomez, Adam Timilty, Walter F.Jehlen, Patricia D. Velis, John C. .Keenan, John F.

That is just the Senate..house one isn't as easy of a copy and paste ;)
 
Regarding copies and duplicates, is it just those guns listed in 121 or do all of the Appendix A guns from the 94 ban get dragged in as well?
 
not new guy said:
According to some interpretations the self incrimination is already done if you efa10ed certain guns after 2016.
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Double screwed if you also Form 1'd, like I did. Although that is an interesting situation because both the ATF and the MA State Police needed to sign off on that approval.
 
Thatguy66 said:
Agreed but the way they specifically define copy/duplicate AW (illegal) as only exempt if registered prior 2016. Otherwise they can argue after that they were not legally possessed. Basically the new law attempts to codify the prior Healey declaration in retrospect.
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I read it this way. If not registered or registered after 7/20, it’s an assault weapon under the new law. Under current law, it is lawful to posses an unregistered lower (dealers confirmed with the ATF and the state this was the case or the Mill would have been shut down during state dealer and ATF inspections). An unfinished lower cannot be registered under current law. The state updated the system and prevented 0” length barrels to stop this, actively preventing you from doing so. You would have to lie to the state to comply with registering lowers. Further, it’s legal to move to MA with a lower and there is no registration requirement.

Under current law, it is lawful to possess a post-2016 copy because the law did not change and the ATF confirmed with the state in order to approve Form 1/4s. That proves lawful to possess. State police or other CLEO were also notified with every form. They would have arrested or seized firearms if people were doing so on weapons not lawfully possessed.

Also note, this only applies to the copies and duplicates. Things that are specially “not” copies like Tavors are clearly fine even until 8/1.


Grey areas if you want to avoid all risk:
- Built rifles that were not registered pre/post 2016. To your point, these could be argued they weren’t lawfully possessed
- Unregistered never built lowers. Could be argued they needed to be FA10’d even though the AG guidance didn’t say that. This is now the law. Her guidance was and isn’t.
 
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I have several instances of documented communication with the ATF about "Assault Weapons" in MA. Let's just say that they, too, did not recognize the 2016 press conference as law. For people who do not think that 8/1 isn't the "grandfathering date," or want to spend more of their lives dissecting this sloppily written pile of shit, then go for it. By such logic, most of you are already felons anyway. Turning in your lower to a dealer isn't going to change that. Give up your Sig Spear, too, while you're at it. Or your AR that uses a piston based upper that a dealer convinced you wasn't actually an AR. Or any semi-auto rifle that has a detachable magazine and has had any compliance work done to it. I will gladly take these trade ins at the Jason Guida advised discount.

Dealers get inspected by the ATF and the state. You would have to believe there was a large scale criminal entrapment conspiracy going on for 8 years between the ATF, the State Police, your Local Police, the AGs office, and the FRB.

I want to reiterate: the Jason Guida discounted trade in offer is active. Message for details.
 
Curious y’alls take on one hyper specific thing. In the new codification of the copy and duplicates it refers to internal components substantially similar to enumerated weapons. Do we think this would apply to just the lower or also the upper? Basically trying to figure out if people are gonna run out and buy a Fightlite SCR lower for all their post 2016 Compliant AR’s
 
If anyone is going to panic about anything in the next couple of weeks it should be scrambling to buy whichever guns you think you might someday want (if your plan is to stay in MA).
 
So confused right now, after reading this whole thread.
So, theoretically… i bought two lowers last year from MA FFLS and have all the parts to assemble them to a full rifle. I just haven’t gotten around to it yet.
The way im reading this all, its 50/50 that E-FA10ing them prior to 8/1/24 will either make them legally owned firearms in the state of MA, or make me a felon and put them on their list for future confiscation. Am I right?

What’s the NES brain trust opinion on how to proceed from here?
 
I’ll wait until it hits the Governors desk to figure out what’s in it. Then I’ll carefully read it, consider what it affects, weigh my options - and then ignore the whole thing. I’m 56, my kids are 21 & 17, my wife and I are basically roommates; and counting out as far as my aunts & uncles I have less than 10 left (including my wife and kids). I’m far beyond dancing to someone else’s tune.

I cause no one harm, leave me in peace and we will get along fine.
 
jeffC said:
So confused right now, after reading this whole thread.
So, theoretically… i bought two lowers last year from MA FFLS and have all the parts to assemble them to a full rifle. I just haven’t gotten around to it yet.
The way im reading this all, its 50/50 that E-FA10ing them prior to 8/1/24 will either make them legally owned firearms in the state of MA, or make me a felon and put them on their list for future confiscation. Am I right?

What’s the NES brain trust opinion on how to proceed from here?
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Let’s say for arguments sake that you decide to roll with whichever interpretation of the law is ACTUALLY the correct one, rest assured that when push comes to shove, the government will be arguing whichever side results in you being jammed up. It’s not 50/50, it’s 100% tyranny.
 
william_munny said:
Double screwed if you also Form 1'd, like I did. Although that is an interesting situation because both the ATF and the MA State Police needed to sign off on that approval.
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Yeah, I’m really confused how that would work out either way. I really hated engraving my actual preban but I just figured I didn’t give a f*** rather than have a problem.

Interestingly enough, they haven’t banned 40 mm grenade launchers that I’m aware of other than if you buy it as just a receiver it’s technically a pistol and it’s not on the list
 
Atlantis said:
Let’s say for arguments sake that you decide to roll with whichever interpretation of the law is ACTUALLY the correct one, rest assured that when push comes to shove, the government will be arguing whichever side results in you being jammed up. It’s not 50/50, it’s 100% tyranny.
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There are more than enough gun laws on the books. We are all guilty of something at this point.
 
GM-GUY said:
I’ll wait until it hits the Governors desk to figure out what’s in it. Then I’ll carefully read it, consider what it affects, weigh my options - and then ignore the whole thing. I’m 56, my kids are 21 & 17, my wife and I are basically roommates; and counting out as far as my aunts & uncles I have less than 10 left (including my wife and kids). I’m far beyond dancing to someone else’s tune.

I cause no one harm, leave me in peace and we will get along fine.
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I just want to understand the laws so I know how brazen I want to be.
 
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