MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[Garys]

Last weekend I bought a couple of MagPul 30 round magazines at $12.00/each. The ones with a window in the side were $1.00 more. The newest generation, which the seller basically said had a different baseplate were $18.00. The seller said that they had to come up with new versions every few years so that people would buy the latest version.

I think he might have forgot to charge me sales tax.

This is true. Free staters can buy good normal cap AR mags 10-12 bucks a pop, shipped to your door. Why would anyone want to pay more than 10 bucks for stuff that’s 30 years old? I’ll do 5 bucks a magazine if any ma**h*** wants to sell me their pre-ban mags. Anyone? 6 if you don’t make me drive far to get them.

 

[LakeTrout]

Last weekend I bought a couple of MagPul 30 round magazines at $12.00/each. The ones with a window in the side were $1.00 more. The newest generation, which the seller basically said had a different baseplate were $18.00. The seller said that they had to come up with new versions every few years so that people would buy the latest version.

I think he might have forgot to charge me sales tax.

Nice!!

And ya 12 is a good deal for those. I don’t see any need to use any of the newer versions.

 

[pastera]

I understand, and this is another spot where they contradict themselves.

You cannot sell, offer for sale, possess, et al an assault weapon (or assault style firearm) unless lawfully possessed on September 13th 1994, however the way the law is written is that a pre ban firearm is not classified as an “assault style weapon”. They’re as excluded as bolt actions, pump actions, movie props, etc.

We may be misunderstanding each other (it’s been a long week), but it’s reading to me that you need to be in possession of an “assault style firearm” by 7/20/2016 (for copies and duplicates of post 1994 enumerated weapons) and 8/1/2024 (for everything else that fits the description).

Pre ban firearms are not considered assault style firearms.

Feel free to correct me, I have no ego.

Correct anything legally possessed prior to 7/20/16 is now a preban.
7/20/16 to present is a maybe if it is a copy or duplicate.

 

[VTski4x4]

So.. just curious.. you see your Sen/Rep at the next (town event, county fair, parade, etc).. what do you say to him/her?

Nothing. I don't need a new pair of bracelets.

 

[Garys]

I have a vision of someone standing on the deck of the Titanic bailing water with a coffee tea* cup.

Guns were part of the reason I wanted to leave. Taxes, giving stuff paid for with my money away to lazy slugs and ruining parts of the state with "sanctuary" policies were others. Plus soft on crime politicians.

And winter. Not that the politicians can stop winter, but they could invest more money into keep the roads passable when three snow flakes hit the ground.

*Changed because after all, it was a British ship.

I’m not hating on MA gun owners. Where did you get that from?

And you’re not a coward if you want to live in a place that suits your lifestyle better. Life is short. If MA isn’t for you, there isn’t anything wrong with leaving.

 

[MAJoe]

Correct anything legally possessed prior to 7/20/16 is now a preban.
7/20/16 to present is a maybe if it is a copy or duplicate.

This is how I’m reading it too @VitalDude. No ego here either, we’re in this together.

 

[Garys]

The most expensive 30 rounder I've bought here was a "Trump 2020" one at a gun show. I think it might have been $20.00, but it might have been less.

BTW, gun shows here are pretty much the same as everywhere else, only with no books and no Nazi memorabilia.

Nice!!

And ya 12 is a good deal for those. I don’t see any need to use any of the newer versions.

 

[Beretta92FS]

So when does the law actually go into effect? 90 days after the governor sign it? In any case, it will be many days after August 1st.

This matter greatly, because up until the new law goes into effect, the current law is in effect. Both cannot be in effect at the same time.

And under the current law, it is legal to own post-2016 ARs, as long as they are mass-compliant, and likewise with stripped lowers.

So if the new law goes into effect at any date after August 1st, then it would trigger the grandfathering in Section 131M (b) that says that anything owned on August 1st is legal. And because the new law is not in effect on August 1st, the new law's language on post-2016 ARs/lowers cannot trigger what is legal on, or prior to, August 1st.

It seems clear to me that any ARs/lowers that are registered and owned by LTC holders on August 1st will be grandfathered. The only case this would not be true is if the new law takes effect prior to, or on, August 1st.

 

[VitalDude]

Correct anything legally possessed prior to 7/20/16 is now a preban.
7/20/16 to present is a maybe if it is a copy or duplicate.

Right, but I think we’re focusing on strictly pre ban firearms, such as a late 80’s Colt Sporter, etc.

It is perfectly lawful to go into Four Seasons today and shell out $2800 for a salty DPMS that was mfg prior to 1994. That would still be considered “lawfully possessed” after the passage of this bill.

I might be sperging out over something I misread but I thought I read someone state that if you didn’t own a pre ban prior to 7/20/2016, you’re a felon.

 

[LakeTrout]

I have a vision of someone standing on the deck of the Titanic bailing water with a coffee cup.

Ya and he’s calling everyone who jumped in a lifeboat a coward.

You’re right though. Guns are one piece of the puzzle. But it’s crazy how many other things are so much better when you leave MA. Once firearms are just normal things that people have and carry and whatever, that no one cares about, it’s almost like it gets boring. At least for me. It’s all of the other things that come with living in a free state that really made the difference in my life vs. living in MA.

 

[1911rnr]

Time to get the UHAUL packed and move out of this shithole. Newsflash, this state sucks for everything, not just gun rights. It isn't going to get better here, it's going to get much, much worse. This state SUCKED 30 years ago.

 

[Dench]

Why are you hating on MA gun owners? This is where we live and this is where we have our lives and guns. If you run away like a coward, then soon you will not have any places to flee.

The counter argument is what you tolerate you validate.

I voted with my feet. I'm now in a de facto conservative strong hold. And boy, am I really appreciating my life here compared to New England when I just returned from a 2.5 week vacation to MA/NH/ME.

My wife and I were thinking about moving to northern NH. After June's trip up we decided against it.

 

[drgrant]

No, I mean why would someone in NH pay $100 for some shit ass cracked 30 year old Glock mag.

That wasn't my point my point was is that MA people will still be buying them. There are a bunch of pant shitters who think they're clever that will still be buying those things because the law blocking transfer is unenforceable.

 

[MAJoe]

That wasn't my point my point was is that MA people will still be buying them. There are a bunch of pant shitters who think they're clever that will still be buying those things because the law blocking transfer is unenforceable.

Agreed. If you read one of my earlier posts on the last page, I don’t even think that’s illegal. It’s illegal to transfer in state, not buy or acquire out of state. It’s not even a matter of it being enforceable.

 

[EJFudd]

The best position is ZFG at this point

Per Guida, post 7/20/16 is fubar
Per a dealer still selling lowers, good to go.

You do you and assume the level of risk you are comfortable with.

I don't think it's quite that simple. Guida has a long history of taking legal positions extremely protective of his clients. He will always default to the most conservative interpretation possible on any provision of the law. I won't say that he is wrong for doing so, but I would not go looking to him for anything but the strictest possible read of the law.

 

[Garys]

We're traveling back up to MA mid September for a social affair. It will be nice to see some of the friends we left behind, but it will be nicer to get back home. Other than friends, there is nothing I miss about MA any longer.

No state is perfect, but some are just better.

The counter argument is what you tolerate you validate.

I voted with my feet. I'm now in a de facto conservative strong hold. And boy, am I really appreciating my life here compared to New England when I just returned from a 2.5 week vacation to MA/NH/ME.

My wife and I were thinking about moving to northern NH. After June's trip up we decided against it.

 

[Dench]

We're traveling back up to MA mid September for a social affair. It will be nice to see some of the friends we left behind, but it will be nicer to get back home. Other than friends, there is nothing I miss about MA any longer.

No state is perfect, but some are just better.

I made the mistake of going to New England during pride month. Tranny stuff everywhere even on the police station flag poles. We do our best to shield our kids from this shit.

 

[drgrant]

I don't think it's quite that simple. Guida has a long history of taking legal positions extremely protective of his clients. He will always default to the most conservative interpretation possible on any provision of the law. I won't say that he is wrong for doing so, but I would not go looking to him for anything but the strictest possible read of the law.

I haven't gone back to look to see if he fixed it. but guidas facebook post contradicted itself I'm at the point where I'm just ignoring it wholesale.

 

[EJFudd]

I haven't gone back to look to see if he fixed it. but guidas facebook post contradicted itself I'm at the point where I'm just ignoring it wholesale.

As times goes on, hopefully we will see interpretations of the new law from the other esteemed members of the NES legal community.

 

[drgrant]

@CrackPot is it true that even things like fudd long guns (example, like a rem 870) will be subject to EOPS tests now? Ive seen this referenced a couple of different places.

 

[drgrant]

As times goes on, hopefully we will see interpretations of the new law from the other esteemed members of the NES legal community.

The problem is it's shaping up to be "basically everything is banned after 8/1, don't bother " wtf.

 

[paul73]

The problem is it's shaping up to be "basically everything is banned after 8/1, don't bother " wtf.

wtf or not wtf i do not know, but so far it is really looking more like 'everything is banned' to me rather then the opposite.
the way that bs is written also does not add much confidence, as it is purposely written to be twisted by lawmen in any ways they want it, to get what they want. not other way around.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

I am trying to understand this registering chaos.
What would happen if we don't register our firearms as mandated? Would they arrest us? How would authorities even determine who owns firearms? It seems someone would need to commit a crime to trigger a warrant for a premises search to find out if firearms are present. So, whether or not firearms are registered, if one commits a crime, they'll be detained, and their firearms and LTC seized.

Where is penalty listed for failure to register, other than those who fail to register based on the triggering events mentioned in the new law?

 

[FMH2016]

I’m just really glad that this is what I lawmakers are focused on. It’s amazing that hard-working normal people are exactly everything that our elected leaders hate in this state. I do feel safer in my town. They did release that rapist that raped an underage special-needs girl for $500 bail. Meanwhile, all my friends on here are shitting their pants after a lifetime of being a law, abiding citizen And being taxed to death. I sure don’t hope that 10,000 more lowers are sold this weekend alone.

 

[Gunowner80]

So if one were to build an AR from a stripped lower, they go and EFA10 it, leaving seller blank since its a personal build, Is that the states proof of owning it before 8/1? Def. keep your receipts for any purchases and take screen shots of the entire EFA10 process too.

I know you cannot register stripped lowers, so I guess a receipt from purchase is the only thing as valid proof you owned it before 8/1. What about registering it after 8/1?

 

[drgrant]

So if one were to build an AR from a stripped lower, they go and EFA10 it, leaving seller blank since its a personal build, Is that the states proof of owning it before 8/1? Def. keep your receipts for any purchases and take screen shots of the entire EFA10 process too.

I know you cannot register stripped lowers, so I guess a receipt from purchase is the only thing as valid proof you owned it before 8/1. What about registering it after 8/1?

This pile of shit is enough of a mess that "registering all your shit" may be a riskier strategy than just quietly ignoring it all.

 

[paul73]

did release that rapist that raped an underage

and paid from our tax $ for transportation of hundreds more to be settled around this state.
reality surpasses any wild sarcastic nightmares anyone could come up with 3-4 years ago, and they are not nearly done.

and majority indeed refuses to see and comprehend the level of destruction those current rulers are invoking upon this society, as everyone got a credit score, mortgage and debts to pay.

 

[TriggeredFinger]

What is the absurd language and/or interpretation of pre-ban mags with this absurdity?

 

[TLB]

This pile of shit is enough of a mess that "registering all your shit" may be a riskier strategy than just quietly ignoring it all.

Not to mention, prove I didn't register it.

The purpose is to shut down retail sales.

 

[Rocky Mosasaurus]

We’re all very f***ed!

Here’s a logic problem to distract from this dumpster fire. I have an average-sized wiener on a really good day, and during the week I have a bad day or two and my size is below average, so over the weekend what is the probability I will have an average-sized wiener?