MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[Amputee Marksman]

This pile of shit is enough of a mess that "registering all your shit" may be a riskier strategy than just quietly ignoring it all.

At this point in time I wouldn't register shit

 

[FMH2016]

Comply or die. Maybe they are going to come to everyone’s house who bought a lower and kill them and then they will free up housing for all of the downtrodden migrants. Win win in the crowns eye.

 

[MAJoe]

What is the absurd language and/or interpretation of pre-ban mags with this absurdity?

My uneducated thoughts:

MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

Retroactive - yes. Ex post facto has a specific legal definition and, if that definition is used, it does not meet the criteria. It's still dirty pool and an underhanded shot. The real goal was to do as much as they could to take down high cap magazines and AWs without triggering...

www.northeastshooters.com

 

[Rob Boudrie]

I know you cannot register stripped lowers, so I guess a receipt from purchase is the only thing as valid proof you owned it before 8/1. What about registering it after 8/1?

This is untrue. It is like the movie scene where Ghandi is confronted in the first class car of a train and told "there are no Indians in first class". He responsed with "This is first class, and I am an Indian, and I am here, so your statement is untrue".

Many dealers registered stripped lowers via MIRCS at the time of sale. This is a fact, not a speculation.

There is room, of course, to discuss the appropriateness or even legality of a dealer doing so, but it is an incontrovertible fact that it happened. In fact, I know of a case from when the BATFE was enforcing the Healy Edict on Form 1 applications (another fact, not speculation) where they accepted a pre-healy MIRCS registration printout of a stripped AR lower as proof the aspiring SBR was ""pre Heliban".

 

[MAJoe]

This is untrue. It is like the movie scene where Ghandi is confronted in the first class car of a train and told "there are no Indians in first class". He responsed with "This is first class, and I am an Indian, and I am here, so your statement is untrue".

Many dealers registered stripped lowers via MIRCS at the time of sale. This is a fact, not a speculation.

There is room, of course, to discuss the appropriateness or even legality of a dealer doing so, but it is an incontrovertible fact that it happened. In fact, I know of a case from when the BATFE was enforcing the Healy Edict on Form 1 applications (another fact, not speculation) where they accepted a pre-healy MIRCS registration printout of a stripped AR lower as proof the aspiring SBR was ""pre Heliban".

They shut this down though, but I do not know when. But you cannot register a lower today with a 0” barrel like dealers were doing.

 

[not new guy]

22lr uppers are short money for anyone in a panic and scrambling to register a lower. Just sayin.

 

[CrackPot]

@CrackPot is it true that even things like fudd long guns (example, like a rem 870) will be subject to EOPS tests now? Ive seen this referenced a couple of different places.

Yes. The way 140 123 is written it counts for ALL firearms. Of course shotguns and rifles cant pass the drop test

 

[milktree]

Every single one of us knows the transaction portal is a gun registry, period. Registration is right there on the main screen.
Acting like it isn't is just being obtuse

Explain that to the po po when they throw up your shit on the screen and said lawfully possessed serial is not found.

Was it in the efa-10 database prior to 7/20/2016?
No: felony
Yes: good to go

We all agree that the database has massive numbers of errors and commissions.

If you have the electronic copy of your eFA-10 then you'll likely be fine
Otherwise it's your word against their "expert" who is going to say you never e entered it.

Copies and duplicates are exempt if lawfully possessed and "registered " prior to 7/20/2016.
So yes they have openly admitted that the transaction reporting portal is, in effect, a firearm registry.

Just like a press conference doesn't make law, a clicky option on a website doesn't make law. The existence of "register a firearm" clicky box does not mean anything. It's just bad language on the part of the state.

The current Mass. "registration" doesn't meet any of the criteria of what the word means in any other context. There's only superficial overlap, in that the state can infer some stuff based on partial data.

Trying to pretend that the FA10 system is a registry in any legal sense is nuts. (despite what the new law says, and what they want us to believe)

Until they come up with a new system that is actually a registry and allow us to verify and correct mistakes, there isn't a registry that means anything.

 

[drgrant]

Yes. The way 140 123 is written it counts for ALL firearms. Of course shotguns and rifles cant pass the drop test

I wonder how many liberal "trap on sundays" fudds are going to be "shocked" when they discover that they can no longer buy a new O/U or other bird gun.

"It will be fun, they said. "

 

[Garys]

They were warned multiple times over the years, but gave us all the finger. It was those danged "blasters" with more than two rounds that were the problem.

I wonder how many liberal "trap on sundays" fudds are going to be "shocked" when they discover that they can no longer buy a new O/U or other bird gun.

"It will be fun, they said. "

 

[Flint]

I wonder how many liberal "trap on sundays" fudds are going to be "shocked" when they discover that they can no longer buy a new O/U or other bird gun.

"It will be fun, they said. "

But but but

"I said, 'Jill, if there's ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out and put that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house,'" Biden said.

"You don't need an AR-15—it's harder to aim," he added, "it's harder to use, and in fact you don't need 30 rounds to protect yourself. Buy a shotgun! Buy a shotgun!"

 

[Gunowner80]

They shut this down though, but I do not know when. But you cannot register a lower today with a 0” barrel like dealers were doing.

One must act fast then buying what they need. I’ve read through this entire thread and keep refreshing to see what to do. it’s crazy. Crazy by design though.

Just like a press conference doesn't make law, a clicky option on a website doesn't make law. The existence of "register a firearm" clicky box does not mean anything. It's just bad language on the part of the state.

The current Mass. "registration" doesn't meet any of the criteria of what the word means in any other context. There's only superficial overlap, in that the state can infer some stuff based on partial data.

Trying to pretend that the FA10 system is a registry in any legal sense is nuts. (despite what the new law says, and what they want us to believe)

Until they come up with a new system that is actually a registry and allow us to verify and correct mistakes, there isn't a registry that means anything.

I get it. But whatever it is or isn’t, I’m pretty sure we have to use it.

 

[sig shooter]

I wonder how many liberal "trap on sundays" fudds are going to be "shocked" when they discover that they can no longer buy a new O/U or other bird gun.

"It will be fun, they said. "

I think some shops will comply and not sell any long guns whatsoever until they come out with an approved list. Others may do so.

 

[drgrant]

They shut this down though, but I do not know when. But you cannot register a lower today with a 0” barrel like dealers were doing.

Lol, what difference does it make? Most people are going to just lie and type in 16" or 18" or whatever in the box if it wont let you set it to zero and blow smoke directly up the state's ass if they really want to get into playing games. Of coursse at that point if I ever felt compelled to do that id be like "well, this is a clear indication that I shouldn't be filling it out at all. "

 

[Amputee Marksman]

I've decided this thread has beat the sh!t outta me long enough. I'm done and not coming back on NES till Monday.

Going out tonight with my wife. Shooting trap tomorrow morning and then going to the hi power range to sight in and shoot my soon to be illegal assault weapons. On Sunday I'm going to hit MA Rifle and join in the centerfire rifle bowling pin shoot.

F this sh!t, it's depressing and I need to walk away for a few days.

 

[Ron Jablonski]

I think some shops will comply and not sell any long guns whatsoever until they come out with an approved list. Others may not.

Look at how many dealers crapped their pants after 7/16, and that was just a memo.

 

[inerlogic]

I am trying to understand this registering chaos.
What would happen if we don't register our firearms as mandated? Would they arrest us? How would authorities even determine who owns firearms? It seems someone would need to commit a crime to trigger a warrant for a premises search to find out if firearms are present. So, whether or not firearms are registered, if one commits a crime, they'll be detained, and their firearms and LTC seized.

NY registration didn't work, CT. Registration didn't work, IL registration didn't work...

 

[drgrant]

I think some shops will comply and not sell any long guns whatsoever until they come out with an approved list. Others may not.

The thing is, if that part of the law uses the same mechanics already used for EOPS handgun compliance, and one can no longer turn something into "not being a firearm, rifle or shotgun etc" (eg, one can no longer use the wallhack that allows the then non-firearm to avoid compliance) then transferring a non-listed long gun will be a felony. And most dealers are not willing to cross that line because it is way too easy to get pinched. (or if not pinched/indicted, lose their licenses immediately).

 

[DW357]

I'm not registering anything. I feel like this whole thing is a trap getting good folks to self incriminate yourselves. Scare tactics don't work on me. DO NOT COMPLY!

This

 

[AJK129]

Need to bully more people into non compliance. Dont be like CT

 

[milktree]

Comments on GOAL's summary (my comments in red)


I didn't see new the new "LTC not valid" zones - Government owned buildings used for the administraton of government. My plain text reading is that this includes town halls, police stations, but possibly not fire stations or libraries unless fighting fires and loaning books is "administration of government". My guess is that this distinction will be acknowledged to the same extent as the "on one's person" qualifier of 269-10j. This is a key point in the new law (and significantly dilluted from the original draft) ... very surprised it missed the analysis.

In what way is a police station used for the administration of government? That's a serious question.

 

[CATI]

 

[scott-o]

In what way is a police station used for the administration of government? That's a serious question.

Ironic, transfers used to take place at/inside police stations.

 

[paul73]

Ironic, transfers used to take place at/inside police stations.

until all police stations will be repurposed into local militia control posts - nothing will change.
but, the truth is - people do not want to have power and be in control. people want to be ruled by a good king, protected by his guard and be given benefits.
and simply refuse to understand, that benefits can be given only if freedoms were taken away first.

 

[drgrant]

In what way is a police station used for the administration of government? That's a serious question.

The worst part of that restriction is its potentially orbital. EG, this sounds like a slimy f***ing trap clause to get someone arrested who has the audacity to like go to a town meeting and maybe ask a few questions.

Thats something that has always irked me- I think the idea of banning otherwise lawfully guns from things like polling locations and town meetings should be unconstitutional, regardless of where those meetings occur.

 

[codename101]

Have we determined if fixed mag ar-15s are okay?

 

[drgrant]

until all police stations will be repurposed into local militia control posts - nothing will change.
but, the truth is - people do not want to have power. people want to be ruled by a good king and be given benefits.
and simply refuse to understand, that benefits can be given only if freedoms were taken away first.

Well and they also refuse to understand that eventually those benefits will be minimal to nonexistant, look at all the people who got to stand around in bread lines in
the former USSR. That's a great life. And theres a bunch of malnourished people in DPRK that still have to go to work sweeping sidewalks or farming dirt or whatever it is
KJU has them doing over there.

 

[paul73]

That's a great life

but those who were on the other side of those bread lines still bitch about of how great that life was.
any benefits presume somebody to be in charge of the distribution, and that role of the pigsty manager is all most people want from life.

european socialism is getting pushed down a throat of this country, and it is just too sad.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

The worst part of that restriction is its potentially orbital. EG, this sounds like a slimy f***ing trap clause to get someone arrested who has the audacity to like go to a town meeting and maybe ask a few questions.

Thats something that has always irked me- I think the idea of banning otherwise lawfully guns from things like polling locations and town meetings should be unconstitutional, regardless of where those meetings occur.

Town meeting in my town, and in many others, it held in a school auditorium.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

In what way is a police station used for the administration of government? That's a serious question.

Issuing licenses and processing prisoners are government administration functions.