On Thursday, January 27, the Maine Legislature's Legislative Council defeated a measure proposed by state Representative Anne Haskell (D-117), which would have banned the sale of ammunition magazines capable of holding more than ten rounds of ammunition. Since the proposal was requested after the January 7 deadline, the ten person Legislative Council needed to approve the measure before it could be considered by the legislature. The measure failed by a 5 to 5 vote.
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Maine: Proposed Ban on Ammunition Magazine Defeated
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The council's four Democrats and one Republican, Rep. Andre Cushing, R-Hampden, voted to allow the bill's consideration but the other five Republicans voted against it.
January 29
Council kills bill to ban high-capacity gun clips
The proposal would have prohibited sales in Maine of the type of ammunition used in Tucson.
AUGUSTA — Maine's legislative leaders have rejected a proposal to prohibit the sale of high-capacity ammunition clips.
The Legislative Council, which has six Republican members and four Democrats, voted 5-5 Thursday on a bill proposed by state Rep. Anne Haskell, D-Portland.
http://www.pressherald.com/news/Council-kills-bill-to-ban-high-capacity-gun-clips_2011-01-29.html
Council kills bill to ban high-capacity gun clips
The proposal would have prohibited sales in Maine of the type of ammunition used in Tucson.
AUGUSTA — Maine's legislative leaders have rejected a proposal to prohibit the sale of high-capacity ammunition clips.
The Legislative Council, which has six Republican members and four Democrats, voted 5-5 Thursday on a bill proposed by state Rep. Anne Haskell, D-Portland.
http://www.pressherald.com/news/Council-kills-bill-to-ban-high-capacity-gun-clips_2011-01-29.html
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I know you are happy about this but two threads?
I mistakenly put it in OFF TOPIC before I added to Maine Law. Sorry~
I just sent this moron a short email regarding this.
I'm breathlessly awaiting his reply.![[thinking]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/010.gif "Thinking [thinking]")
I'm breathlessly awaiting his reply.
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You have to love quality reporting. You have this subtitle which discusses ammunition being banned and then absolutely no mention of ammunition in the article. From my understanding, the reason the that poor congresswoman (who is pro-gun by the way) survived the bullet passing through her head because it was standard hardball ammunition. Would the bill have banned all hardball ammunition?
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http://www.andrecushing.com/
Remember to be logical, polite and respectful when you contact him to express your disgust. We do not serve our cause by being rude or abusive neither will what you say be taken seriously. I would also be very careful to not say anything that could be mis-construed as a threat.
Remember to be logical, polite and respectful when you contact him to express your disgust. We do not serve our cause by being rude or abusive neither will what you say be taken seriously. I would also be very careful to not say anything that could be mis-construed as a threat.
Received a reply from Mr Cushing already...
I'll add it to the discussion. It makes sense, but it's the wrong issue for compromise.
"Dear Mr B****n,
Thank you for taking the time to at least email me regarding your
concerns. The fact that I chose to vote to allow the issue to be
considered by the full legislature should not be construed as my
support for the measure. In fact as someone who strongly supports the
second amendment rights of citizens in this state and as an NRA
members I do not feel this is a reasonable approach to solving the
problem.
It is not the clip or the weapon that kills it is the individual who
controls that weapon that may use it to do so.
That being said, there is a fundamental difference in how we who
control the majority should influence the course by which issues are
played out and if this matter needs a public hearing then at times
regardless of how we personally may feel it is important to respect
the rights of individuals to pursue discourse. That sir is what we as
elected officials are obligated to consider. Additionally, I was
approached by the sponsor who sought my support and agreed to comply
with certain requests from me as to the timing of consideration on
this bill.
Having observed the heavy handed course pursued by the other party's
leadership over the last few sessions and then having both watched and
participated in the citizen actions to repeal certain laws through
referendum it has become clear that when you stifle debate it at times
manifests itself in other unhealthier ways.
I am happy to discuss this matter further with you if you require
clarification. Thank you for taking your time to read this email and I
hope that it offers a better understanding of my actions in this
particular case."
I'll add it to the discussion. It makes sense, but it's the wrong issue for compromise.
"Dear Mr B****n,
Thank you for taking the time to at least email me regarding your
concerns. The fact that I chose to vote to allow the issue to be
considered by the full legislature should not be construed as my
support for the measure. In fact as someone who strongly supports the
second amendment rights of citizens in this state and as an NRA
members I do not feel this is a reasonable approach to solving the
problem.
It is not the clip or the weapon that kills it is the individual who
controls that weapon that may use it to do so.
That being said, there is a fundamental difference in how we who
control the majority should influence the course by which issues are
played out and if this matter needs a public hearing then at times
regardless of how we personally may feel it is important to respect
the rights of individuals to pursue discourse. That sir is what we as
elected officials are obligated to consider. Additionally, I was
approached by the sponsor who sought my support and agreed to comply
with certain requests from me as to the timing of consideration on
this bill.
Having observed the heavy handed course pursued by the other party's
leadership over the last few sessions and then having both watched and
participated in the citizen actions to repeal certain laws through
referendum it has become clear that when you stifle debate it at times
manifests itself in other unhealthier ways.
I am happy to discuss this matter further with you if you require
clarification. Thank you for taking your time to read this email and I
hope that it offers a better understanding of my actions in this
particular case."
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A fair enough response.
Certainly not what you'd get in MA, but I'm still a little disappointed.
I only see B&W when it comes to our God given rights that are spelled out in the Constitution.
I only see B&W when it comes to our God given rights that are spelled out in the Constitution.
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I understand your sentiment, however the man explained himself very clearly when he said that a vote for debate is not a vote for support. Considering that for the first time in over 50 years the GOP has control of the Governorship and the Legislature, I would say that his vote to support the right of the minority to he heard posed no threat to our second amendment rights. We are after all a Democracy where the voice of the minority has a place in a debate and that bill stood zero chance of passing even after a a long drawn out debate.
In the end, I accept his reasoning of being that of a gentleman and a supporter of the way government ought to be. I think we should turn our attention to the 4 Dems who voted not for democratic debate, but for gun control itself, therein lies the problem.
My problem is not with the man, or a debate, just with the topic... There should be NO debate when it comes to rights...
Legislative Council Members for the 125th Legislature
Sen. Kevin L. Raye, President of the Senate, Chair of the Legislative Council
Rep. Robert W. Nutting, Speaker of the House, Vice-Chair of the Legislative Council
Sen. Jonathan T. E. Courtney, Senate Majority Leader
Sen. Debra D. Plowman, Senate Assistant Majority Leader
Sen. Barry J. Hobbins, Senate Minority Leader
Sen. Justin L. Alfond, Senate Assistant Minority Leader
Rep. Philip A. Curtis, House Majority Leader
Rep. Andre E. Cushing, III, House Assistant Majority Leader
Rep. Emily A. Cain, House Minority Leader
Rep. Teresea Hayes, House Assistant Minority Leader
Sen. Kevin L. Raye, President of the Senate, Chair of the Legislative Council
Rep. Robert W. Nutting, Speaker of the House, Vice-Chair of the Legislative Council
Sen. Jonathan T. E. Courtney, Senate Majority Leader
Sen. Debra D. Plowman, Senate Assistant Majority Leader
Sen. Barry J. Hobbins, Senate Minority Leader
Sen. Justin L. Alfond, Senate Assistant Minority Leader
Rep. Philip A. Curtis, House Majority Leader
Rep. Andre E. Cushing, III, House Assistant Majority Leader
Rep. Emily A. Cain, House Minority Leader
Rep. Teresea Hayes, House Assistant Minority Leader
Here is the reply i got from Mr cushing, look familiar? he seems to have a nice form letter for this.
Dear Ron,
Thank you for taking the time to at least email me regarding your
concerns. The fact that I chose to vote to allow the issue to be
considered by the full legislature should not be construed as my
support for the measure. In fact as someone who strongly supports the
second amendment rights of citizens in this state and as an NRA
members I do not feel this is a reasonable approach to solving the
problem.
It is not the clip or the weapon that kills it is the individual who
controls that weapon that may use it to do so.
That being said, there is a fundamental difference in how we who
control the majority should influence the course by which issues are
played out and if this matter needs a public hearing then at times
regardless of how we personally may feel it is important to respect
the rights of individuals to pursue discourse. That sir is what we as
elected officials are obligated to consider. Additionally, I was
approached by the sponsor who sought my support and agreed to comply
with certain requests from me as to the timing of consideration on
this bill.
Having observed the heavy handed course pursued by the other party's
leadership over the last few sessions and then having both watched and
participated in the citizen actions to repeal certain laws through
referendum it has become clear that when you stifle debate it at times
manifests itself in other unhealthier ways.
I am happy to discuss this matter further with you if you require
clarification. Thank you for taking your time to read this email and I
hope that it offers a better understanding of my actions in this
particular case.
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Ron Lavigne <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dear Mr Cushing,
>
> As a lifelong Maine resident and a member of the Republican party, I'm very
> dissapointed in your choice to side with the liberals and vote to consider
> legislation banning high capacity magazines. Do you realize the tragity at
> Virginia tech a few years ago was commited by a criminal using a firearm
> with standard capacity magazines? In this tragity 30 people were killed.
> using this kind of logic, Maybe aircraft should be limited to ten seats so
> when a terrorist flies it into the ground it will limit the loss of life.
>
>
> Respectfully,
> Ron Lavigne
--
Andre E. Cushing III
State Representative- District 39
(Dixmont, Hampden, Newburgh)
Dear Ron,
Thank you for taking the time to at least email me regarding your
concerns. The fact that I chose to vote to allow the issue to be
considered by the full legislature should not be construed as my
support for the measure. In fact as someone who strongly supports the
second amendment rights of citizens in this state and as an NRA
members I do not feel this is a reasonable approach to solving the
problem.
It is not the clip or the weapon that kills it is the individual who
controls that weapon that may use it to do so.
That being said, there is a fundamental difference in how we who
control the majority should influence the course by which issues are
played out and if this matter needs a public hearing then at times
regardless of how we personally may feel it is important to respect
the rights of individuals to pursue discourse. That sir is what we as
elected officials are obligated to consider. Additionally, I was
approached by the sponsor who sought my support and agreed to comply
with certain requests from me as to the timing of consideration on
this bill.
Having observed the heavy handed course pursued by the other party's
leadership over the last few sessions and then having both watched and
participated in the citizen actions to repeal certain laws through
referendum it has become clear that when you stifle debate it at times
manifests itself in other unhealthier ways.
I am happy to discuss this matter further with you if you require
clarification. Thank you for taking your time to read this email and I
hope that it offers a better understanding of my actions in this
particular case.
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Ron Lavigne <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dear Mr Cushing,
>
> As a lifelong Maine resident and a member of the Republican party, I'm very
> dissapointed in your choice to side with the liberals and vote to consider
> legislation banning high capacity magazines. Do you realize the tragity at
> Virginia tech a few years ago was commited by a criminal using a firearm
> with standard capacity magazines? In this tragity 30 people were killed.
> using this kind of logic, Maybe aircraft should be limited to ten seats so
> when a terrorist flies it into the ground it will limit the loss of life.
>
>
> Respectfully,
> Ron Lavigne
--
Andre E. Cushing III
State Representative- District 39
(Dixmont, Hampden, Newburgh)
