Maine vs New Hampshire vs Pennsylvania [hypothetical move]

[namedpipes]

You're skinnier than I thought you'd be.

 

[ReggieB9mm]

South Dakota

 

[Mark from MA]

Lots of personal reasons but i'd pick SW PA. Better deer hunting and less snow being one of them......

That said.....I wouldn't go to any of the above. Not driving thru NY/MA again to get to NH/ME

I'd never live in Maine....shit ass traffic on 495/95 to get up there, tolls and really no use for the state unless I wanted to hunt bears or moose. Neither is very appealing and there are bigger bear down south.

Odds are if i have land North of where i live....it will be cheap farm land in Ohio/KY.

 

[Dennis in MA]

Looking at work options, 45 min outside Pittsburgh is a choice as well as Lancaster/York area which people say is kinda a dump. No way am I considering anything near Philly ever lol.

THIS!

South of here - less snow. Pittsburg area is a hotbed of turn-of-the-century housing, which I love. Lots of hunting and fishing opportunities. Alas, I'm very close to family so it's never going to happen.

 

[JenkkiMike]

If you move to NH factor in the cost of buying a large enough property to shoot on. I consider it an absolute necessity because in my experience, most of the private clubs lack a lot of amenities such as ranges over 100 yards, steel plates, or action pits, have overbearing and overly restrictive rules or have multi year waiting lists. I have been a member at a small club for four years and have just minded my business and gone there to shoot. Suddenly one small incident MAY have happened involving a neighboring property owner and now the Board is going off the rails coming up with proposed rule changes that make the most Fudd clubs in Mass look good by comparison. Some examples are the removal of all steel targets, no more than 5 rounds loaded in a magazine at a time and a minimum of 2 seconds between shots. All the alternative clubs I look into seem almost as bad or are impossible to get into. A private range on privately owned land is the only viable option in southern NH unless you just want to shoot trap or sight in a deer rifle.

 

[Mark from MA]

Some examples are the removal of all steel targets, no more than 5 rounds loaded in a magazine at a time and a minimum of 2 seconds between shots. All the alternative clubs I look into seem almost as bad or are impossible to get into. A private range on privately owned land is the only viable option in southern NH unless you just want to shoot trap or sight in a deer rifle.

Why the next move I want to buy enough land to shoot on and not be a member of a club.

We voted commie shit like this down in our club in MA a time or two over the years with a few old fudds bringing it up. A few other clubs nearby have some similar rules......no rapid fire, no steel.

Can't believe they do this shit in NH.

 

[mav]

If all you care about are guns, then ME or NH. I am sure PA is also fine, but probably a distant third.

There are so many other things to care about, I won't even bother spending my time typing here since it is clear your view is very shallow and either you haven't done any research, or you haven't put any thought or this thread is just total BS and a waste of time.

I wouldn't say that. I'm sure OP has thought about a number of issues given his choices in the thread. This is a gun forum, so the gun issue comes up first. Doesn't mean it is the number one issue.

The gun issue is a big one for me given the current legislation on the table in MA. I'm not going to go into personal details, but everything I own would be impacted in some way. I'm also sick of a lack of choices because of stupidity like AWB or handgun lists and having to jump over hurdles to acquire the items I want or do without in the case of suppressors. Before @drgrant chimes in, I'm just saying I'm tired of the hurdles when a 120 miles north there are no hurdles.

In terms of the choices, I wouldn't touch PA. I mean, they elected Fetterman. That state is gone. As others have mentioned, property is cheaper in Maine, but taxes and politics kinda suck so other than better gun laws, what are you gaining vs. MA? New Hampshire checks all the boxes for me (within driving of Boston/MA, guns, no income/sales tax, politics, skiing/hiking) and is the likely choice. Not really even a choice, NH for the win if we purchase another property in New England.

 

[Broc]

I wouldn't say that. I'm sure OP has thought about a number of issues given his choices in the thread. This is a gun forum, so the gun issue comes up first. Doesn't mean it is the number one issue.

Based on OP prior threads and the way he worded the OP ....



There is a good reason I said there are other things to care about besides just guns.

Let's use West Coast Florida. You can own whatever you want, but if you live South of Tampa, it is a desert for gun clubs except for a handful of private pistol ranges that require monthly membership + pay a day pass + book time before going and maybe 1 public range that is full of trash and idiots. Gun situation = total sh*t. And remember, those private ranges exist as long as whoever owns it decides to keep it going. Wait until a developer offers enough $$$ for the land.

So, if all you care about are guns and don't pay attention to the rest, you can end up in a State where you can buy what you want but every place to shoot s*cks a**.

Unless you are one of those gun owners that splits a box of 50 rounds with someone else because you never shoot.

Just one example.

 

[mav]

Based on OP prior threads and the way he worded the OP ....

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There is a good reason I said there are other things to care about besides just guns.

Let's use West Coast Florida. You can own whatever you want, but if you live South of Tampa, it is a desert for gun clubs except a handful of pistol ranges that require monthly membership + pay a day pass + book time before going and maybe 1 public range that is full of trash and idiots. Gun situation = total sh*t.

So, if all you care about are guns and don't pay attention to the rest, you can end up in a State where you can buy what you want but every place to shoot s*cks a**.

Unless you are one of those gun owners that splits a box of 50 rounds with someone else because you never shoot.

Just one example.

You mentioned the lack of shooting clubs and limitations in FL before. Are there any good options within driving distance in coastal FL (hour or two max) or do you have to go to the interior of the state? For example, my current situation is within a 40 minute drive of me there are 4 clubs I could shoot at. My primary club has an outdoor range with 100 and 300 yards as well as indoor 24/7 for pistol.

Obviously, FL is a big state, but so far I haven't done any research into guns and shooting outside of the laws and have been focused on coastal property because we need to be near the water.

 

[JenkkiMike]

Why the next move I want to buy enough land to shoot on and not be a member of a club.

We voted commie shit like this down in our club in MA a time or two over the years with a few old fudds bringing it up. A few other clubs nearby have some similar rules......no rapid fire, no steel.

Can't believe they do this shit in NH.

Believe it. I was a member at Andover before moving up here. They have a reputation for being overbearing but even they have steel and allow 10 rounds in a mag. My current club used to be a gem but if the new rules go through I'm not renewing my membership. I'm looking into alternative clubs but haven't really found anything better.

 

[AFAR/PFAR]

Let's use West Coast Florida.

Just one example.

It's a shit example.

Florida has crappy restrictive gun laws.

 

[Mesatchornug]

Believe it. I was a member at Andover before moving up here. They have a reputation for being overbearing but even they have steel and allow 10 rounds in a mag. My current club used to be a gem but if the new rules go through I'm not renewing my membership. I'm looking into alternative clubs but haven't really found anything better.

Do you go to meetings? Have you considered running for the Board?

If you want a white fence, you have to keep painting it.

 

[Broc]

You mentioned the lack of shooting clubs and limitations in FL before. Are there any good options within driving distance in coastal FL (hour or two max) or do you have to go to the interior of the state? For example, my current situation is within a 40 minute drive of me there are 4 clubs I could shoot at. My primary club has an outdoor range with 100 and 300 yards as well as indoor 24/7 for pistol.

Obviously, FL is a big state, but so far I haven't done any research into guns and shooting outside of the laws and have been focused on coastal property because we need to be near the water.

From Wimauma, near where my brother lives, there are some good options within an hour. But further south is pretty dead. Wimauma is as far south as I would go, at least on the West side.

The South is also dead for jobs, unless you always work remote, forget about any tech related work south of Tampa. Gartner might be the only one in Fort Meyers, and they are not even tech.

The thing about Florida and a lot of other States outside the NE, is that gun clubs have monthly membership costs, many also charge you a day pass (discounted if a member) and many you have to schedule time before showing up, which is bullsh*t.

 

[Broc]

It's a shit example.

Florida has crappy restrictive gun laws.

I gave one example.

Feel free to cover every law and grey area. I won't spend the time doing that.

 

[M1911]

For me, I would rank those options 1) New Hampshire, 2) Maine, and 3) Pennsyltucky.

Maine is pretty, it has a lovely, long coastline, but high taxes and it's a longer distance from good healthcare.

Pennsyltucky is right out for me. You've got Philly in the east, Pittsburgh in the west, and Kentucky in between. High taxes, higher crime, lots of poverty, and it's a purple state, dragged to the left by Philly, Pittsburgh, and heavy union influence.

 

[JenkkiMike]

Do you go to meetings? Have you considered running for the Board?

If you want a white fence, you have to keep painting it.

I get what you're saying but until now there was little reason to go. Everything was chugging along unchanged for years and then suddenly blew up out of nowhere. It's a big ask to rush away from work and ditch my wife with our three small kids at dinner and bedtime to attend a meeting. I'd prefer to use my little free time to actually shoot. As I said before, clubs might be fine for some people but I've realized that a private range is the only viable path forward.

 

[Mesatchornug]

I get what you're saying but until now there was little reason to go. Everything was chugging along unchanged for years and then suddenly blew up out of nowhere. It's a big ask to rush away from work and ditch my wife with our three small kids at dinner and bedtime to attend a meeting. I'd prefer to use my little free time to actually shoot. As I said before, clubs might be fine for some people but I've realized that a private range is the only viable path forward.

Sure.

That difficulty leaving is why clubs end up run by old guys who then make rules that meet only their needs. This is where the Progressives are right - we must "be the change [we] wish to see." We have to sacrifice to build the world we want.

For those who can, this might mean buying property enough to build our own range - in which case, get on with your bad self. For others, it means coordinating with the wife that on the (e.g.) first Thursday of every month we need to be at the club's business meeting. For others, it means stepping back from the business we're building, to run for Congress.

 

[mav]

It's a shit example.

Florida has crappy restrictive gun laws.

Please expand on this...

For comparison, let's use the complete shitshow that is MA gun laws.

 

[Mark from MA]

I get what you're saying but until now there was little reason to go. Everything was chugging along unchanged for years and then suddenly blew up out of nowhere. It's a big ask to rush away from work and ditch my wife with our three small kids at dinner and bedtime to attend a meeting. I'd prefer to use my little free time to actually shoot. As I said before, clubs might be fine for some people but I've realized that a private range is the only viable path forward.

One night a month is a big ask to make sure your club doesnt go commie? Can't really bitch unless your get involved.

I was younger and went thru this, but every time this shit came up for a vote, I was there to vote it down........now...as a more active member.....

We don't even table this type of shit anymore for a vote. Most of the leadership is Gen X, old boomers are dying off, and we simply say, we've voted this before and its been voted down repeatedly. We are not wasting time with gun control at this club, the state has more than enough to go around.

Anyone that likes gun control can feel free to join another club. And......good riddance.

 

[mav]

Please expand on this...

For comparison, let's use the complete shitshow that is MA gun laws.

I'll answer myself, feel free to provide details to back up your claims:

FL:
No license/permit required to purchase/own handgun, rifle, shotgun.
No limit on magazine capacity.
Allows SBR's and Silencers.
Stand your ground.

MA:
Require a license to purchase/own any firearm
Magazine limits
Doesn't allow Silencers
No stand your ground
AWB and arbitrary lists of allowed handguns to be purchased

Seems like FL is a gun mecca compared to MA. NH is obviously good to go as well. Not sure what you don't like about FL gun laws...

 

[DarthRevan]

I would pick NH over the other two, but, it’s a purple state and will get bluer as the cities in the southern part of the state get flooded with new arrivals.

By the way, going to NH or ME isn’t leaving New England, they’re both considered New England states.

Every time I see this statement I feel compelled to remind you people you’re wrong.
SE NH has been very red at the state level.

 

[DarthRevan]

there is nowhere to run.
true conservatives must get their act together because the socialist left is way ahead right now, in terms of organization and solidarity
and sorry for you, but the attitude of "run away to a free state" is exactly what the left wants you to do.
Just look at what Californians are doing to Idaho right now.

That’s why I moved to NH and just kept buying guns.

 

[JenkkiMike]

One night a month is a big ask to make sure your club doesnt go commie? Can't really bitch unless your get involved.

I was younger and went thru this, but every time this shit came up for a vote, I was there to vote it down........now...as a more active member.....

We don't even table this type of shit anymore for a vote. Most of the leadership is Gen X, old boomers are dying off, and we simply say, we've voted this before and its been voted down repeatedly. We are not wasting time with gun control at this club, the state has more than enough to go around. Anyone that likes gun control can feel free to join another club.

Your club sounds like it has good leadership. Up until last night I had no reason to believe that my club was any different. In four years there wasn't a hint of anything like what was proposed. The new proposed rules were sent to the membership four days before the monthly meeting which is held in mid August when a lot of people are out of town.

 

[Sf Becket]

Warmer in Pa for sure but I think Pa has issues like Colorado as far as Democrats in the big cities effing up the whole state

 

[Mesatchornug]

I'll answer myself, feel free to provide details to back up your claims:

FL:
No license/permit required to purchase/own handgun, rifle, shotgun.
No limit on magazine capacity.
Allows SBR's and Silencers.
Stand your ground.

MA:
Require a license to purchase/own any firearm
Magazine limits
Doesn't allow Silencers
No stand your ground
AWB and arbitrary lists of allowed handguns to be purchased

Seems like FL is a gun mecca compared to MA. NH is obviously good to go as well. Not sure what you don't like about FL gun laws...

"Better than MA" is hardly a sales pitch. "Buy this Ford Pinto, at least it's not a Geo Metro."

 

[Mark from MA]

Your club sounds like it has good leadership. Up until last night I had no reason to believe that my club was any different. In four years there wasn't a hint of anything like what was proposed. The new proposed rules were sent to the membership four days before the monthly meeting which is held in mid August when a lot of people are out of town.

Sounds like a MA politician is running your club, that's their MO.

Our club has a two month vote on any major changes like that to stop shit like that from happening. I suggest if you care you propose the same thing at the next meeting. Or quit and let them know they are losing a younger member because of their bullshit.

 

[Mesatchornug]

Sounds like a MA politician is running your club, that's their MO.

Our club has a two month vote on any major changes like that to stop shit like that from happening. I suggest if you care you propose the same thing at the next meeting. Or quit and let them know they are losing a younger member because of their bullshit.

I love this and would go a step further: propose rolling the rules back to what they were with the additional requirement to provide those two months' notice before they can hold a vote on anything this important.

 

[Len-2A Training]

I'll answer myself, feel free to provide details to back up your claims:

FL:
No license/permit required to purchase/own handgun, rifle, shotgun.
No limit on magazine capacity.
Allows SBR's and Silencers.
Stand your ground.

MA:
Require a license to purchase/own any firearm
Magazine limits
Doesn't allow Silencers
No stand your ground
AWB and arbitrary lists of allowed handguns to be purchas

Seems like FL is a gun mecca compared to MA. NH is obviously good to go as well. Not sure what you don't like about FL gun laws...

Try listing the restricted areas where gun owners can not carry or possess guns in FL vs. NH! That changes the equation significantly.

Every time I see this statement I feel compelled to remind you people you’re wrong.
SE NH has been very red at the state level.

Very true. I live in Hudson, drive thru Litchfield, Londonderry, Derry, and Windham as well. The number of American flags outside of homes, Gadsden flags and even a few AR-15 flags are damn near everywhere. An ex-NES'r is a Rep. State Rep from Windham. Every state rep and state sen in my area are all republicans and not RINOs!

Nashua is a sanctuary city and totally different, but easy to avoid.

 

[M1911]

Nashua is a sanctuary city and totally different, but easy to avoid.

I was just in Nashua, a few blocks off Main Street. Definitely a pit.

 

[JenkkiMike]

Very true. I live in Hudson, drive thru Litchfield, Londonderry, Derry, and Windham as well. The number of American flags outside of homes, Gadsden flags and even a few AR-15 flags are damn near everywhere. An ex-NES'r is a Rep. State Rep from Windham. Every state rep and state sen in my area are all republicans and not RINOs!

Nashua is a sanctuary city and totally different, but easy to avoid.

Something has to be done about Bedford. It was staunchly Republican for decades but is slipping away.