Correct, that's what my post you quoted indicated. What I was wondering with my post was why haven't they updated the docket pages for both cases to reflect the case being distributed to the next conference day (the 17th). In the past they did so after releasing the Orders List. This time they haven't done so (yet). Just found it strange, unless its a normal thing and they'll update both docket pages sometime before the 17th.
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Maryland AWB case Snope v Brown waiting on Cert grant from SCOTUS. (Formerly Bianchi v Brown & Bianchi v Frosh)
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In an ideal world, yes they should have. However that's not what they were asked and tasked to do. The court generally confines themselves to the specific question asked in the petition. For Bruen that question was: "Whether the Second Amendment allows the government to prohibit ordinary law-abiding citizens from carrying handguns outside the home for self defense." So their opinion generally stayed mostly within those lines.
The reality is that most if not all the Justices do not have the appetite to seriously take down the big federal gun control laws (34 and 68) that so many here wish for. They don't have the appetite to deregulate machine guns, and even suppressors are likely not something they'd want to take on right now. I'm not even sure Thomas would be willing to get rid of all gun control laws. The mood of the court and many in the country is that some gun control is acceptable. There are at least three possibly four (Barrett) justices who are likely not going to side with taking down AWB's and magazine bans. This assumes they get off their keisters and grant cert to Snope and Ocean State.
VetteGirlMA
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Congress could do something but the GOP consists of cowardly old men, so all we have left is SCOTUS. I just wished the GOP would freaking do something, but they won't.
The Usual Suspect
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It may mean a decision is being written.
How do you propose to change this so they DO SOMETHING, as you put it? What makes them work? Come up with a plan.
pastera
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A couple of times they took a few days to relist.
And that Thurs is a multifunction day so I'm not certain they will even address much at all.
pastera
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Not likely
Garys
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Would they stop listing this for conference if they had made a decision on cert?
pastera
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I think, if you take that to its logical end, that would spell the final death of the Republic.
What you're really saying is that SCOTUS should take even more power on itself and rule on questions beyond the scope of the cases brought before it. You're saying these unelected judges should be able to go off the reservation and extend cases to any and everything they feel like ruling on.
Yeah. I'm not on board with that. You're advocating that they do that with RKBA, which sounds great, but you don't really think it would stop there, do you? You would give them unlimited power.
pastera
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They simply haven't relisted
Both cases will likely get relusred for the following regular Friday conference.
Or, very unlikely, they have written a per curiam but still need time to finish it.
A per curiam is an option in both cases since there are no further facts to argue - Snope is fully briefed AND includes capacity due to Maryland including fixed mags exceeding 10 rounds. OST can just go along for the ride.
VetteGirlMA
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How about repealing the NFA or gun control act of 1968? Or pass constitutional carry? Or fu*king anything? Knock the left off balance and keep them there, but no the GOP is going to spend every freaking penny of political capital they have so they can stick their hands up Dylan Mulvaneys skirt to check for a dick. The GOP in this country is literally worthless like a chewed up piece of gum on a hot sidewalk in July.
In my wildest dreams, this is what I'm hoping for...
Its not about being cowardly its about their being GOP politicians who hold a extremely slim majority which they could loose in a year and a half. The reality is that for most Republican politicians, the 2nd Amendment is an election year wedge issue. They'd prefer, at the fed level, to keep the status quo on major issues rather than rock the boat and potentially loose and be voted out.
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Lol Thomas would be the only one imho who would gladly desire evisceration of most federal gun law. It's pretty obvious if you've read anything that he's written in the past....it's just that he tends not to speak out of turn so people tend to underestimate him. He's also smart enough to understand that perfect is the enemy of the good.
One or more of the justices could also be writing a dissent from the denial of cert.
Those are the results. The question I was asking is "How do you motivate congress to "do something?".
The House is easy, they have to answer to the people every 2 years. Enough pressure on them and they buckle, it's the Senate that is full of RINO's, the 6 year terms make it hard to pressure them, and because there's only 50 or so GOP senators, the big money interest groups can buy them. The GOP senate is more interested in adding more gun control as we saw with the red flag stuff a few years ago.
Unfortunately, you're not going to get 60 Republicans in the Senate, it's never happened and even if you did one would break rank.
The answer to the question is: you don't, not unless it's a Democrat supported bill because the RINOs in the senate loves them some bipartisanship.
You gotta wonder if they'll last minute add it to the schedule, and do something before Easter weekend. Now that I've said this, probably jinxed it.
VetteGirlMA
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You don't unless we get up their collective a**es. Go to a left wing congressmen's town hall and get enough people to shout at him/her until theirs action. Our congress critters are owned by Bloomberg, probably branded cattle as well. That will never happen with conservatives. You need a slice across the political spectrum, including their own side, and tell them, you vote for freedom or we primary you out.
I am going to throw some optimism against the wall and maybe some of it will stick. The make up of justices on this court is the same as when Bruen came out. I believe the overall consensus of that ruling was beyond expectation. There was a lot of skepticism leading up to the ruling about not only the outcome but how broad/narrow the decision would be. It took a few days to even digest the scope of the ruling that was beyond what we hoped for. My point is this, the present court did the correct thing. You can argue that it is a single data point like getting red on a roulette wheel or you can take their most recent behavior, willful determination, choice, finding, verdict, ruling or conclusion as the most logical method to gauge the future prediction. The best determiner of future behavior is past behavior. Maybe they understand that when they rule AWB and mag limits as unconstitutional that it will be a giant decision that will go down as a changer in 2A history and there will be extreme politcal discourse. This case is big politically. It may not be in the forefront right now because it has not been granted cert, but if they do grant cert, it will absolutely be in the news and be a giant story until the final ruling and beyond. Perhaps like Dobbs, they relist it multiple times so that they get it the most right they can.
Not sure where these fall in chronologically with Bruen:
Supreme Court Denies Request to Hear Hawaii ‘Spirit of Aloha’ Carry Case
A rebuke of the Aloha State’s top court will not be the Supreme Court of the United States’s (SCOTUS) next Second Amendment contribution.
thereload.com
Supreme Court won't hear case opposing Trump-era bump stock ban
The Supreme Court on Monday declined to hear a case challenging a federal ban on bump stocks, marking yet another loss for activists challenging the rule.
www.foxnews.com
Justices Take Aim at Hawaii Supreme Court’s Second Amendment Ruling
Earlier this year, the Hawaii Supreme Court gutted its state constitutional provision protecting the right to keep and bear arms,..
www.goldwaterinstitute.org
Supreme Court appears torn over challenge to gun 'bump stocks'
The Trump administration, which imposed the ban after the 2017 mass shooting in Las Vegas, is being defended by the Biden administration.
www.nbcnews.com
pastera
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Snope and Ocean State Tactical have been distributed to the 4/17 conference.
Per the SCOTUS Calendar for the 17th:
| Apr 14 2025 | DISTRIBUTED for Conference of 4/17/2025. |
Per the SCOTUS Calendar for the 17th:
Today at the Court - Thursday, Apr 17, 2025
- The Court will convene for a public non-argument session in the Courtroom at 10 a.m.
- The Court may announce opinions, which are posted on the homepage after announcement from the Bench.
- Seating for the non-argument session will be provided to the public, members of the Supreme Court Bar, and press. The Supreme Court Building will otherwise be closed.
- The Supreme Court Building will reopen to the public following the conclusion of the Court session and close at 3 p.m.
- The Justices will meet in a private conference to discuss cases and vote on petitions for review.
- The Court will release an order list at 9:30 a.m. on Monday, April 21.
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From your mouth to God's ears. (Because it's also Easter Monday!!!!)
Patriot's day, how cool would a cert grant be!
So, they will decide to cert on Monday - one way or another?
Reminder. Today (Thurs. 4/17/25) is a Conference Day, the Orders List will be published Monday April 21st @ 9:30 am. There is always the chance of a Miscellaneous Order being issued on a Conference Day but it isn't something that happens often.
Today at the Court - Thursday, Apr 17, 2025
- The Court will convene for a public non-argument session in the Courtroom at 10 a.m.
- The Court may announce opinions, which are posted on the homepage after announcement from the Bench.
- Seating for the non-argument session will be provided to the public, members of the Supreme Court Bar, and press. The Supreme Court Building will otherwise be closed.
- The Supreme Court Building will reopen to the public following the conclusion of the Court session and close at 3 p.m.
- The Justices will meet in a private conference to discuss cases and vote on petitions for review.
- The Court will release an order list at 9:30 a.m. on Monday, April 21.
Today at the Court - Monday, Apr 21, 2025
- The Court will release an order list at 9:30 a.m.
- The Court will convene for a public session in the Courtroom at 10 a.m. The Justices will hear oral arguments. An audio feed will be live-streamed, and the audio will be available on the Court's website later in the day.
- Seating for the oral argument session will be provided to the public, members of the Supreme Court Bar, and press. The three-minute line will be temporarily suspended. The Supreme Court Building will be otherwise closed to the public.
- The Supreme Court Building will reopen to the public following the conclusion of the Court session and close at 3 p.m.
"One way or another?"
No. They could just keep on rolling with the conferences indefinitely.
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