Massachusetts Bill HD.4420 "An act to modernize gun Laws"

[free]

This is a great letter. Particularly about the inevitable waste of resources defending it in court but sadly not including the absurd expenses administratively if implemented.

The new release of this turd should be coming soon from a legiiscreature near you..

And, of course there's the G.O.A.L. rally on September 27th GOAL - BringBruentoBoston

Nice letter, but the .pdf of it as sent says 2022. They must have started this a year ago and had good forsight.

 

[hv55maxx]

Nice letter, but the .pdf of it as sent says 2022. They must have started this a year ago and had good forsight.

I noticed that typo. We were just forward thinking at that point.

 

[spt_1955]

What‘s coming is going to be bad.

The news cycle is just pounding the ”gun violence” drum every news cast every day. if they don’t have a shooting to “report on” they drudge up something else. Todays gem was the 6 year anniversary of the unsolved murder of a gang banger.

^^ this. They don't even hide it now. It is a travesty that politicians are able to use public airways to push their agenda's with the complicity of the left wing media. Dwight D. Eisenhower warned of the dangers of the military-industrial complex which has come to be reality. The left wing radicalization of our society driven by the media and social media corporate structures using teachers unions as part of their mobilization strategy is destroying this country.

 

[Horatio Alger Jr]

In the past few weeks I have been noticing alot of HD4420 yard signs. Probably around 10 of them in my immediate neighborhood (Worcester, Holden, W.B. lines).

I love that my area is well armed.

 

[Wolf99]

I'm hearing that bus reservations from from the Cape are not going well. Only 6 people confirmed as of today. I hope there is going to be a good showing.

 

[71montess]

I'm hearing that bus reservations from from the Cape are not going well. Only 6 people confirmed as of today. I hope there is going to be a good showing.

Get off your FAT ASSES, do something to help the cause.

 

[Wolf99]

Can you expand on your great success on rallying club members from your area or club? Other than emailing members and social media posts, meeting awareness? I'll be more than happy to share to with the Barnstable County League to get out to all the clubs. And if that is detected at me I've attending everyone rally and hearing since 1998.

 

[71montess]

Can you expand on your great success on rallying club members from your area or club? Other than emailing members and social media posts, meeting awareness? I'll be more than happy to share to with the Barnstable County League to get out to all the clubs. And if that is detected at me I've attending everyone rally and hearing since 1998.

It’s directed at every gun owner having an excuse to not go to this rally. If it’s you too, so be it.

 

[Toast]

The guy involved in the 12 year old shooting has been arrested and charged with having guns/ammo with no LTC and with violation of safe storage laws, but the antis don't want to hear it.

The news today is that he's now been charged with manslaughter in addition to the weapons charge.

Brother charged with manslaughter in fatal shooting of 12-year-old boy in Mattapan

Boston Police arrested Walter Hendrick, 22, of Roxbury, Wednesday. He was wanted on a Suffolk Superior Court warrant for manslaughter, unlawful possession of a firearm and ammunition, possession of…

www.bostonherald.com

This looks like a notable expansion by the state. Earlier reporting said that he wasn't in the area when the shooting occurred and he's already on the hook for storage / possession without LTC / magazine capacity. If he really wasn't there and the state gets him on the manslaughter charge, look for it to be applied to other cases when someone's gun is used without that person being actually involved.

 

[42!]

The news today is that he's now been charged with manslaughter in addition to the weapons charge.

Brother charged with manslaughter in fatal shooting of 12-year-old boy in Mattapan

Boston Police arrested Walter Hendrick, 22, of Roxbury, Wednesday. He was wanted on a Suffolk Superior Court warrant for manslaughter, unlawful possession of a firearm and ammunition, possession of…

www.bostonherald.com

This looks like a notable expansion by the state. Earlier reporting said that he wasn't in the area when the shooting occurred and he's already on the hook for storage / possession without LTC / magazine capacity. If he really wasn't there and the state gets him on the manslaughter charge, look for it to be applied to other cases when someone's gun is used without that person being actually involved.

I think there is a lot more to this than some random guy has a gun stolen from his home and an unknown person gets murdered with it. It's his gun, at his home, with his fanny pack there, and it's his brother. I'm not going all hyperbolic over this and thinking they will be charging people who's gun is stolen and someone killed, without a hell of a lot more connecting the people.

 

[Harry Christopher]

Interesting:

MSN

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[paul73]

The rule of law was forfeited when an era of emergency edicts began. Now it’s just getting to its logical conclusion.
Nothing is absolute unless it serves interests of the ruling regime.

 

[2nd_ammendment_2a]

Get ready cause here it comes.
https://malegislature.gov/Bills/193...0M-HL66laTXHeHiyrzN0kMxgNmjSKp2LFQlIxc9oEummw

If this passes, which it probably will the second amendment in Ma will be destroyed

Just move to a better state lol

 

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[cetme24]

Just to your right

 

[Dennis in MA]

Nice. Looks like a good crowd. Thanks for those that could go.

 

[SpeedwayMike]

I believe that Angle tree also has an LTC, I could be wrong.
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What does that mean? A club has LTC?

 

[Coyote33]

how about adding language to remove "patriots day" as a holiday, and to take down the minuteman statue on lexington green, as it no longer applies?

you'll notice that's not in the marketing materials for the bill, is it?
"so, what you're saying is that it's not just about the ghost guns, is it ... here is what it's really about ..."
and you close with:
"is it time to put the minuteman statue in lexington in storage, stop celebrating patriots day for its real meaning? if beacon hill gets their way, the answer is unequivaically yes."

This is actually a good idea in a way. When the time comes to announce the start of the lawsuits, they hold a press conference at the statue, and drape it and put up a sign announcing "Out of service" or something like that, and refer to what is happening. Make it BIG, so it can't just be undone unceremoniously. Make it a BIG DEAL, which it is.

 

[M1911]

What does that mean? A club has LTC?

Yes. Chapter 180 of the 1998 laws had a provision that allows gun clubs to get an LTC. That LTC comes with some limitations, including that the club can’t allow people to shoot at silhouette targets (apparently the senator who drafted that section was angry that some people were shooting at their picture). Very, very few clubs have an LTC — less than 5 I believe. IMO, it is a bad idea for clubs to have an LTC.

You can find the language allowing clubs to have an LTC in the section of Chapter 140 that defines LTCs.

 

[Cardinal Ximinez]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think you'll have to vote with your feet in Massachusetts. I'm not sure that rallying harder, voting harder, e-mailing harder, or calling harder will yield much in the way of results. Gun owners aren't a class of citizens Democrats give one whit about.

And what do you think the chances of the state GOP, even if it weren't a total joke, dislodging the Democrats given the state's sanctuary status and the flood of new Democrat voters is? I'd say approaching absolute zero.

 

[Picton]

I forgot this thread existed.

So... now we've got at least three very active threads examining the same exact thing simultaeously. Great.

 

[Woodsloafer]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think you'll have to vote with your feet in Massachusetts. I'm not sure that rallying harder, voting harder, e-mailing harder, or calling harder will yield much in the way of results. Gun owners aren't a class of citizens Democrats give one whit about.

And what do you think the chances of the state GOP, even if it weren't a total joke, dislodging the Democrats given the state's sanctuary status and the flood of new Democrat voters is? I'd say approaching absolute zero.

Courts and SCOTUS, that's where the fight will be, unless we lose and then they try to disarm us, then all bets are off.

 

[Picton]

Courts and SCOTUS, that's where the fight will be, unless we lose and then they try to disarm us, then all bets are off.

It's more likely, if we lost, that they'd simply let us out ourselves over time, or leave our gats in the attic.

I can't see any future where the authorities are able to go door-to-door for disarmament. Not because they wouldn't like to, mind; they wish they could do exactly that. But I find the logistical/pragmatic argument compelling: there is simply no way they can do an effective door-to-door search in any community in this country, manpower-wise. Especially if they're worried about getting capped, and they'd have to believe a non-zero percentage of owners would resist.

I just can't see it happening.

 

[inerlogic]

I forgot this thread existed.

So... now we've got at least three very active threads examining the same exact thing simultaeously. Great.

First time on NES?

 

[Woodsloafer]

It's more likely, if we lost, that they'd simply let us out ourselves over time, or leave our gats in the attic.

I can't see any future where the authorities are able to go door-to-door for disarmament. Not because they wouldn't like to, mind; they wish they could do exactly that. But I find the logistical/pragmatic argument compelling: there is simply no way they can do an effective door-to-door search in any community in this country, manpower-wise. Especially if they're worried about getting capped, and they'd have to believe a non-zero percentage of owners would resist.

I just can't see it happening.

They wouldn't have to go door-to-door, they would just tell us to turn in our "registered" ARs, etc. or face civil penalties that they would attach to our wages or property, pretty simple really. Do I think it will happen, not in the near term, but 10-20 years depending on who controls government and make up of SCOTUS.

 

[Cardinal Ximinez]

Courts and SCOTUS, that's where the fight will be, unless we lose and then they try to disarm us, then all bets are off.

Which is another good reason to leave. Why live in a place where the politicians refuse to respect your rights and force you into court? And assuming you win, which is always a big assumption, the next scheme to abuse is you is right around the corner.

 

[EJFudd]

Which is another good reason to leave. Why live in a place where the politicians refuse to respect your rights and force you into court? And assuming you win, which is always a big assumption, the next scheme to abuse is you is right around the corner.

So many have left already, and I don't blame them one bit for doing so. But there is no question that so many pro-gun rights people leaving has greatly weakened the political power of the pro-gun rights people that have chosen to remain in Massachusetts. That's the unfortunate downside.

 

[Hogie1]

Which is another good reason to leave. Why live in a place where the politicians refuse to respect your rights and force you into court? And assuming you win, which is always a big assumption, the next scheme to abuse is you is right around the corner.

I concur. Rallies and protests do nothing. I've written countless letters and emails, called reps & senators, and donated hundreds of dollars to GOAL, Comm2A & FPC (which I still will). But I have 6 years left in this hellhole and then I'm taking my wife and my pension to a warmer 2A friendly state. I'm done.

 

[Dcdr]

So many have left already, and I don't blame them one bit for doing so. But there is no question that so many pro-gun rights people leaving has greatly weakened the political power of the pro-gun rights people that have chosen to remain in Massachusetts. That's the unfortunate downside.

I totally get voting with your feet, but totally agree it makes the rest of us still here weaker. All my townie friends I grew up with who loved dirtbikes, lifted jeeps, fishing and guns have all moved to NH or ME. Mostly a bunch of country club Chets left.

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