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Most reliable Handgun of all time
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fencer
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I have never had a malfunction with any of my Sigs - 220-226-229. A newbie had a FTE with my 229 once, but I am pretty sure it was limp wristing.
Also never had a malfunction with my Colt 1911, but it was massaged by Santuri and I probably have less than 3000 rounds down the pipe.
Also never had a malfunction with my Colt 1911, but it was massaged by Santuri and I probably have less than 3000 rounds down the pipe.
There's this guy. Last name is Langdon. Works miracles with em.
I made my buying purchases based on longevity.
Which is why I have multiple 92's about to have multiple 96's and multiple HK USP's.
Among others
I’ve seen that posted, but I don’t know if that Beretta number is accurate. Do you know what tests those numbers came from?
Looking further at the Army trials the”at ended up picking Beretta for the M9, they got the following:
MRBF
1980s Sig P226: 2,877
1980s Beretta 92F: 1,750
Then in 2020, a lot of acceptance tests for M9s shooting 210k rounds:
MRBF
2020s Beretta M9: 19,090
Still extremely impressive what modern handguns can do.
MRBF Ranking
Glock 17 Gen5: 20,000 ?
2020s Beretta M9: 19,090
Sig P320/M17: 6,944
Sig P320/M18: 3,906
1980s Sig P226: 2,877
CZ P01: 2,142
1980s Beretts 92F: 1,750
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Are you trying to keep it stock? Langdon Tactical "Trigger Job in a bag" makes any 92 trigger very nice. You can even get a short pull version but by then you're in competition trigger territory.
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The HK45 has a pretty good reputation for reliability.
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HK45 Endurance Test: Week Thirty Seven
50,000 rounds 1 stoppages 1 (*) malfunctions 1 parts breakages 50,000 rounds in just over eight months. And yes, as many of you have guessed, that is Larry “LAV” Vickers himself shootin…
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LittleCalm
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Because they shoot by themselves?
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Where do I go for that " Langdon trigger job in a bag " thing? Midway? my berreta 92 is next gun to upgrade on my list .
@Broc Tuah
Other than my current Gen5, never had an issue with Glock. Unless it was bad ammo it ALWAYS went "bang". Do I hate the stock trigger? Yup. Does it not feel well in my hand? Yup. At 15yds the CZ P-01 and Sig P229 I was shooting were as good. At 25yds I was doing much better with the Glock, even with the "worse" trigger. And the P229 would jam sometimes.
Had a 625 I was shooting years ago in competition. A co-shooter gave me some of his reloads. They were causing the cylinder to bind, due to high primers. He apologized and said it wasn't an issue in the 1911's since the slide/firing pin seated the primers.
If the Glock and Beretta had a way higher success rate than the Sig, how in the hell did the military pick the Sig?
Corruption. They didn’t even finish the trials.
Originally there were thoughts of just letting Beretta start fielding the M9A3 to meet needs instead of soliciting proposals. But that was turned down by the Army in favor of a new pistol and that the 92 didn’t meet the requirements, even the A3 version. So Beretta submitted their APX for the trials instead of the 92.
There was a downselect to just the Glock and Sig. Those two were supposed to then undergo another round of testing. But that never happened. Suddenly, Sig won the award before the trials could be finished. Glock filed a protest, but it was denied. The Army said the reliability requirements weren’t actually that important. Sig had waaaay underbid Glock. And there were rumors of bribes, but there’s no proof. Believable, given Sig’s management culture, but no proof.
All told, the Modular Handgun System solicitation was a complete shit show.
Love the Colt SAAs. But they’re not the most reliable revolvers. I almost hate to say it because I like them so much, but I kind of think a Glock pistol could be considered as or more reliable.
As much as I would love to own a Model 10 today, the Model 13 was my choice back in the day
The only malfunction I ever had was because I used aluminum cased CCI Blazer ammo in it, the cases expanded and would not eject from the cylinder without banging the ejection rod on the bench.
We can debate the most reliable handgun, and for the record I am a Glock fan... but the Model 22 had issues because of the steep ramp angle caused bullet setback and the dreaded Glock KABOOM we used to hear about.
But since a few people are tossing in their most unreliable handgun, mine was without question a Raven 25ACP
The firing pins were made out of glass, dry firing the gun would break the pin and you would not know until you went to fire it and you heard a click instead of a bang.
The only malfunction I ever had was because I used aluminum cased CCI Blazer ammo in it, the cases expanded and would not eject from the cylinder without banging the ejection rod on the bench.
We can debate the most reliable handgun, and for the record I am a Glock fan... but the Model 22 had issues because of the steep ramp angle caused bullet setback and the dreaded Glock KABOOM we used to hear about.
But since a few people are tossing in their most unreliable handgun, mine was without question a Raven 25ACP
The firing pins were made out of glass, dry firing the gun would break the pin and you would not know until you went to fire it and you heard a click instead of a bang.
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Having seen other multi-branch trials(aircraft, APCs, rfiles, etc.) being completely sidetracked by different requirements that each branch makes, I suspect the modularity won because it satisfies the mandate of "common gun platform" while allowing each branch to walk away with their own unique pistol. G19X was not modular and did not commit to building a factory in the US.
M9A3 was not acceptable due to its weight: officers are generally not as physically fit as infantrymen. their weak bodies cannot carry a metal gun all day long.
If that were the reason, then they never should have made it through the downselect. Glock met the modular aspect with its changeable grip back straps. The Army never required something like Sig’s FCU. And Glock had been manufacturing pistol’s in Smyrna GA for several years by the time the RFPs were submitted.
Haha, I mean, it can get tiring carrying it in a leather shoulder holster between the TOC and the DFAC.
I do think it was the better move to solicit RFPs for a whole new pistol instead of going to the M9A3. But I also think the M9A3 is better than the M17.
Of any gun i own, I trust my hk45c the mostThe HK45 has a pretty good reputation for reliability.
HK45 Endurance Test: Week Thirty Seven
50,000 rounds 1 stoppages 1 (*) malfunctions 1 parts breakages 50,000 rounds in just over eight months. And yes, as many of you have guessed, that is Larry “LAV” Vickers himself shootin…
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M9a3 should've stayed.
I ditched my M18 after a month when I got my APX and don't regret it a bit
APX is 10x better even though the actual modularity isn't as good as Sigs system.
But at least the APX doesn't kill/injure people by itself.
It's a shame that there's next to no support for the APX as opposed to sig,Glock. Because for the cost, it's a fantastic pistol and can't be beat
Wow,so this is how g22 blow up. I do have an old g23 (probally have the same steep ramp angle as in the g22) , gona have to carry the gun without a .40 round in pipe from now on.
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This. Unless you are putting north of 10K rounds through guns, and somewhat abusing them, you cannot talk about "most reliable".
My SW929 has north of 15K rounds, and a far greater amount of dry fires. Besides a screw coming lose once in a while, it has been reliable AF. Also, all rounds are .458, so oversized for a 9mm.
Also, to the OP point, how many you see come through for repair does not always = less or more reliable. You have to know the percentage of guns being sent back.
I appreciate you trying to flex with personal experience, and I am sure there is some correlation, but we need better data.
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I had the double barrel when I was a kid. Took out so many Indians and cops.
Millions of rounds through, no jams, never run out of ammo
if you are not familiar with the Glock KABOOM, and it has been a while since it was a topic of discussion, the failure was because people would chamber a round when they were going to carry the weapon, then when they were done using the gun they would drop the magazine, eject the round in the chamber,make sure there was not a round in the gun, pull the trigger and finally they would take the ejected round put it back in the magazine.
Then the next time they used the gun, rinse lather repeat.
The repeated chambering of that first round in the magazine caused the bullet to get pushed back into the case each time it was run up the feed ramp.
Do it enough times and when you finally fire that round, the setback induced over pressurization would cause the case to fail and the rest is history.
Many people who carried G22's and cleared the gun daily would only use the round twice, then toss it in a can to use at the range.
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I’ve found my P226, P229, USP 9, USP 45, HK45 and HK45C and Beretta M9 to all be remarkably reliable. I’ve had shit Glocks and great Glocks. My Glock 43X has been great and I carry that as well as an Sig 365 Macro. Both have never not fired when I pulled the trigger with all different kinds of ammo between shit range ammo and quality carry ammo.
