Most reliable Handgun of all time

not new guy said:
The HK45 has a pretty good reputation for reliability.

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It still sucks but for other reasons
 
Ive had no problems with my Turkish 9mm either...they've been 100% for me..the Canik TP9SF and Tisas PX-9. Run like a top. I had many thousands thru my TP9SF before I sold it to buy the PX-9 for the range. Only reason I changed is cause the PX9 gen 3 had all the optics cut, and full 20 round mags and suppressor barrel for dirt cheap money. Ive got 1K thru it and its never burped.

Canik was a MA gun with crip mags so no reason to keep that thing....
 
Broc Tuah said:
This. Unless you are putting north of 10K rounds through guns, and somewhat abusing them, you cannot talk about "most reliable".

My SW929 has north of 15K rounds, and a far greater amount of dry fires. Besides a screw coming lose once in a while, it has been reliable AF. Also, all rounds are .458, so oversized for a 9mm.

Also, to the OP point, how many you see come through for repair does not always = less or more reliable. You have to know the percentage of guns being sent back.

I appreciate you trying to flex with personal experience, and I am sure there is some correlation, but we need better data.
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Just gathering data here from other shooters. I have my opinions from observation, not some holier than thou industry knowledge.

Agreed, that competition shooters have the best ability to develop data...and also ranges.
 
Plastic framed guns don't work as well when you need to reliably pistol whip someone though. Give me an 'old school' Sig P229 or 92FS any day for that. Better yet, a Ruger SP101. "Real steel".
 
Mark from ? said:
Ive had no problems with my Turkish 9mm either...they've been 100% for me..the Canik TP9SF and Tisas PX-9. Run like a top. I had many thousands thru my TP9SF before I sold it to buy the PX-9 for the range. Only reason I changed is cause the PX9 gen 3 had all the optics cut, and full 20 round mags and suppressor barrel for dirt cheap money. Ive got 1K thru it and its never burped.

Canik was a MA gun with crip mags so no reason to keep that thing....
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People love to shit on 'turk-shit'. But The Turks have been making guns longer than anyone else in Europe. They are a people with a rich long brutal history of violence and weapon making innovation from such violence. For a little over two bens you can get a CM9, a DA/SA with safety and a trigger better than an HK. Word on the street is it's reliable too.

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G4Y4HK said:
People love to shit on 'turk-shit'. But The Turks have been making guns longer than anyone else in Europe. They are a people with a rich long brutal history of violence and weapon making innovation from such violence. For a little over two bens you can get a CM9, a DA/SA with safety and a trigger better than an HK. Word on the street is it's reliable too.

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The 4 oldest gun manufacturers are in Germany and Italy.

How long Turkey as a country has been producing guns has nothing to do with quality.
 
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I do not believe there is a single answer to the stated question. Most reliable with what ammo? What state of maintenance? There is not a single handgun that eats well everything. I have seen horrible Glocks and perfect 22lr pistols and everything in between.

Pick a gun that has good track record, keep it stock and clean it regularly, experiment with ammo to see what it likes and practice, practice, practice…
 
alx said:
I do not believe there is a single answer to the stated question. Most reliable with what ammo? What state of maintenance? There is not a single handgun that eats well everything. I have seen horrible Glocks and perfect 22lr pistols and everything in between.

Pick a gun that has good track record, keep it stock and clean it regularly, experiment with ammo to see what it likes and practice, practice, practice…
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Disagreed. I've had guns that run garbage ammo all day long. Tolerances matter.
 
Broc Tuah said:
The 4 oldest gun manufacturers are in Germany and Italy.

How long Turkey as a country has been producing guns has nothing to do with quality.
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Absolutely true.....while they always made weapons.....Italian guns were always better.....for a long time. Not so much anymore.....

They have embraced CNC manufacturing shops and churning out good weapons.....and I'd say this is a relatively new thing with them where they've overtaken the lower end market by storm with good running guns of some decent quality.
 
appraiser said:
if you are not familiar with the Glock KABOOM, and it has been a while since it was a topic of discussion, the failure was because people would chamber a round when they were going to carry the weapon, then when they were done using the gun they would drop the magazine, eject the round in the chamber,make sure there was not a round in the gun, pull the trigger and finally they would take the ejected round put it back in the magazine.

Then the next time they used the gun, rinse lather repeat.

The repeated chambering of that first round in the magazine caused the bullet to get pushed back into the case each time it was run up the feed ramp.
Do it enough times and when you finally fire that round, the setback induced over pressurization would cause the case to fail and the rest is history.

Many people who carried G22's and cleared the gun daily would only use the round twice, then toss it in a can to use at the range.

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===> It's not just Foh-tays. We used Glock 19's for work in AZ. Each shift, we would unload the rounds in a magazine (and the chamber) and return them to their box. The next shift came out with their own ammo. The shift after that would end up using the ammo from the first shift. And so forth. When I became an armorer, one of the things that I constantly tried to do was pull the rounds that were set-back. And there were quite a few.
Mark from ? said:
Ive had no problems with my Turkish 9mm either...they've been 100% for me..the Canik TP9SF and Tisas PX-9. Run like a top. I had many thousands thru my TP9SF before I sold it to buy the PX-9 for the range. Only reason I changed is cause the PX9 gen 3 had all the optics cut, and full 20 round mags and suppressor barrel for dirt cheap money. Ive got 1K thru it and its never burped.

Canik was a MA gun with crip mags so no reason to keep that thing....
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The PX-9 uses Sig P226 mags, correct? So plenty of OEM and aftermarket options for those.
 
Ultrarunner said:
Disagreed. I've had guns that run garbage ammo all day long. Tolerances matter.
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I have seen $7500 guns run like shit with specific ammo. There isnt a single gun that I know of that would run any ammo well. The OAL of different ammo manufacturers alone vary enough that any given gun can group 5”’at 10 yards and 1” depending on ammo at best and at worst have feeding and ejection problems.

Reliability is a function of the ammo for any gun. As I said- pick a gun, keep it stock and take care of it, trial and error ammo to see what it “likes”and you can achieve almost 100% reliability. Practice clearing malfunctions and you are going to be in good shape. But start changing parts and ammo and it is a bottomless black hole.

I have more than 30 USPSA and Steel Challenge matches in 2024 alone- I have seen it all… of course YMMV, but that is my experience and I tend to stick to it….

Speaking of tolerances- my experience is that loose guns tend to eat various ammo well while tight high end guns are very very picky. A p320 x5 legion will eat pretty much anything given the right spring. A high end 2011? Prepare to make custom ammo for it unless you want to be sorely disappointed and clear multiple malfunctions during the course of fire…
 
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Agnotology said:
In that vein, does specific models matter? Outside of my Glock 44, aren't all glocks essentially "pick up, load generic target ammo, shoot" whether it is a 9mm, .357 Sig, .40, or .45?
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it is difficult to screw up a glock, but if you decide to never clean it, it will eventually stop running too. :)
 
Semi auto? P 226.
Revolver? Manurhin MR73. (The GIGN operators shoot 150 rounds PER DAY! That’s approximately 30k rounds per year, and the guns keep ticking. That’s some scary numbers, and I don’t think that there are many semis that could keep up.
 
frenchman said:
Revolver? Manurhin MR73. (The GIGN operators shoot 150 rounds PER DAY! That’s approximately 30k rounds per year, and the guns keep ticking. That’s some scary numbers, and I don’t think that there are many semis that could keep up.
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I was about to mention this
It's made it to my grail gun list

Also iirc, Beretta did similar numbers with the APX and px4.
Maybe it was Langdon with the px4
 
As a testament to the fact that simplicity does NOT necessarily make the most reliable gun...

When I was a kid, the below 'firearm' was unable to ignite primers on Korean Take Home rounds.

(thank God!)

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alx said:
I do not believe there is a single answer to the stated question. Most reliable with what ammo? What state of maintenance? There is not a single handgun that eats well everything. I have seen horrible Glocks and perfect 22lr pistols and everything in between.

Pick a gun that has good track record, keep it stock and clean it regularly, experiment with ammo to see what it likes and practice, practice, practice…
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Ive not seen a horrible glock yet. I think over the years I've had them in every flavor except 45 GAYAP, .380 and .22.

Any thing in 9mm, .357 sig, .40 and .45 has eaten everything but Winchester USA steel. Which nothing eats.

My Mossy MC2C is 100% after many rounds.....and I don't clean it all that much, it just sits in the truck console.

I can say the same for my Turkish 9's but haven't been shooting them all that long.
 
Mark from ? said:
Ive not seen a horrible glock yet. I think over the years I've had them in every flavor except 45 GAYAP, .380 and .22.
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I'll bet you didn't get to fire either of the 9x21 Glocks :). Peter Alan Kasler's book mentions two were built for some undercover agency in a country where 9x19 was a government only caliber.
 

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