-
If you enjoy the forum please consider supporting it by signing up for a NES Membership The benefits pay for the membership many times over.
-
Be sure to enter the NES/Pioneer Valley Arms February Giveaway ***Smith & Wesson SD9VE 9MM***
Most reliable Handgun of all time
- Thread starter Ultrarunner
- Start date
Dench
NES Member
No way my M9 in the Army and 92FS as a civilian was more reliable than my glocks.
I have a G34 with thousands and thousands if rounds and i cant even recal a time its had any issues. M9? A lot.
Most likely an unmaintained m9.
Because we all know how cheap the military is.
- Joined
- Oct 31, 2020
- Messages
- 1,796
- Likes
- 2,066
The tests were performed in a controlled environment.
Your perception is based on experience of a hand me down M9 maintained by a 20yo armorer from the swamps of Louisiana who can fix any shotgun with a hammer and duct tape but who's never seen or touched a handgun until he enlisted.
I bet your personal G34 was cleaned regularly, upgraded and maintained by you or a gunsmith with decades of experience working on handguns.
There is a reason why the militaries of countries that actually engage in fighting, are not Glock fans.
US used M9 for over 30 years and is currently uses SIG
IDF uses CZ 75-derived Jericho
Bundeswehr uses HK USP
- Joined
- Oct 31, 2020
- Messages
- 1,796
- Likes
- 2,066
Who maintained it? If a 92 has problems, it's either been F^$D with, made in USA, or not taken care of.
Cool article, but typical of a guy paid to sell a product. You can see some odd things in his writing that indicates he's not afraid to exaggerate greatly to make a point.
I worked for a guy who claimed to be ex special forces but would be weirdly vague about his experience and then other times extremely specific but say "he can't talk about it". We were having a conversation about defensive ammo and he said FMJ is just as good as a hollow point and that's what he carried in his Glock, but then he went on to talk about how amazing those gimmicky "new at the time" RIP rounds are...I just smiled and moved on.
Nothing wrong with the Maryland made 92s. Not as pretty and Gucci as an Italian inox but they run. The military ones that have gone tens of thousands of rounds without spring and parts changes 'suck', no shit.
Considering Italian work ethic and general reliability, I'd rather have a US one.
Yea... but the VP70 is... kinda terrible. I'd say it has as staple-gun like trigger, but that would insult most staple guns.
It's big, heavy, terrible trigger, weird sights (which actually work OK, but they're inside out), no slide lock, heel release magazine...
But... (and this part is awesome) it has an 18 round double stack double feed magazine, and it did it in 1970.
- Joined
- Oct 31, 2020
- Messages
- 1,796
- Likes
- 2,066
Yeah, not in this case. Italian version have one type of finish and steel frame. US version futzes with finishes and aluminum frames. As a result, US versions have all sorts of finish defects and frames that ding just by looking at them.
I am all for US-made stuff but only if it makes sense. When it's garbage quality, it is garbage quality, no matter where they're made. Italian Berettas are solid.
Last edited:
Why would they not be Glock fans? Something like a Beretta would take a higher-skilled person to fix something. Break the front sight on the older M9's, CZ 75's, etc. and you're out of luck. Break one on a Glock - simple change out. Damaged firing pin, extractor, bad ejector spring, etc. - easy peasy to fix, by almost anyone.
My first gun --- G17 can't find anything bad to say about it and still runs great after 15 years. I will admit that I switched to G19 for my bedside gun.
Second gun was a P226 and it also still shoots lights out after all these years with not a hiccup.
- Joined
- Oct 31, 2020
- Messages
- 1,796
- Likes
- 2,066
Boy are you reaching! I've broken front sights on a Glock more than once. Never on a M9. One uses a skinny screw that breaks is slightly overtightened, while the other is part of a single chunk of steel the slide is cut out of.
P.S. My primary gun is a Glock 23 which I've owned for over 25 years and shoot it regulargly.
One of my first guns was a used Beretta 92. Damaged front post sight. Worthless. No way to repair it. Fortunately, the dealer (bought it online) took it back and swapped it for another.
- Joined
- Oct 31, 2020
- Messages
- 1,796
- Likes
- 2,066
Which Beretta was it? Was it with removable front sight or the one that’s part of the slide?
fencer
NES Member
Yeah... but it's a school bus.
Its narrow up top thoYeah... but it's a school bus.
Itll never be as much of a school bus as a P229 tho.
For the others in the thread not familiar:
View: https://youtu.be/vD_72U0b_2g?si=x4bedokxWk2NNwB_
fencer
NES Member
Am I the only one that thinks the Baretta 92 looks gay?
So friggin Italian. Swoops and flairs and scallops, and hey! Lets make it like a convertible!
"How canna we do dat Luigi?"...
" I know, lets make the ejection port bigger!"
" How big Luigi?"
"Like almost the entire length of the barrel!"
"And! Lets write all over the thing! I want 3 sentences and uncle Pietro's name on it, but not the model."
" Bellissimo! it's a work of art! Make sure the trigger sucks."
If a pistol could be a Drag Queen, It would be a 92.
So friggin Italian. Swoops and flairs and scallops, and hey! Lets make it like a convertible!
"How canna we do dat Luigi?"...
" I know, lets make the ejection port bigger!"
" How big Luigi?"
"Like almost the entire length of the barrel!"
"And! Lets write all over the thing! I want 3 sentences and uncle Pietro's name on it, but not the model."
" Bellissimo! it's a work of art! Make sure the trigger sucks."
If a pistol could be a Drag Queen, It would be a 92.
Fixed sight - part of the slide. The A3/A4 with a removeable front post make more sense. Had a 92x after. Rear notch cut so sight even gunsmiths couldn't drift it (it was off center, to start). Had to go back to the factory to be fixed. 4 months later....
- Joined
- Oct 31, 2020
- Messages
- 1,796
- Likes
- 2,066
Something is not kosher with your story. First it's a sight made out of hard steel being broken now the rear sight is "too tight" that, not one, but multiple "gunsmiths" couldn't move it.
I call bull$#it. Either you made it all up or you one of those who insists that the gun is the problem when you can't shoot straight and you INSIST that it's a gunsmith's fault when in fact they just didn't want to deal with you.
Only time I've had an issue is related to mag issues.
Weak spring, or shit aftermarket mag/mag spring.
My eagle mags had feeding issue problems.
I replaced them with either Wolfe or OEM. Can't recall if I did the follower as well.
Either way, after replacement, zero issues.
Other than 1 I caused myself and took me a while to figure out.
Hint, for the 96, don't use the lightened mcarbo sear spring. It causes some "ooopsies". Don't ask how I know.
It was a known thing besides the lack of maintenance, the military bought checkmate shit mags to cheap out on.I had non stop mag issues with my m9. One of my issued mags was completely broken, wouldn't feed anything![[rofl]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/013.gif "ROFL [rofl]")
