my chinese "knockoffs" are here!

[Tigerstripe]

yep, came in yesterday. i got two knives, i'll show this one first. it's a 10" akc swing guard auto opening stiletto. the knife is huge. i've photographed both knives, the italian one and the new chinese along with my spyderco delica in the pic for scale. before we get to the photo, let me say both knives are identical. in every way. (in the photo, the bottom looks smaller. just an illusion from how i was standing over them) weight, length, blade thickness, scale thickness, bolsters, the same. i cannot tell the difference. well you couldn't, i can...from one very small detail. the italian made knife is marked on the blade "AKC World" and the chinese knife is marked "AKC Italy". huh? i was told by a pretty famous knife designer that if it says world instead of the country of origin, it's a fake. i actually sent an akc knife back, really the same knife, cause it said world.

so the one marked "world" that is sold in the u.s. by almost every knife seller, sells for between $90 and $119. depends on their mood. the chinese knife, well i bought this off wish for 11 bucks. the price fluctuates it seems on wish. the first time you look at it it's at the lowest price. this morning when i looked it was $8.50. everytime you go back to it, i've found the price increases by a couple of dollars.

i cannot find one iota of difference between the two besides the markings. both are exactly the same quality and the spec sheets from both the chinese vendor and the american vendor are also the same. i'm thinking these u.s. vendors are bringing the knives in from china. not much else i can say about them. or at least their distributors are. here are the knives.

eta...the bottom is the chinese kn

yep, came in yesterday. i got two knives, i'll show this one first. it's a 10" akc swing guard auto opening stiletto. the knife is huge. i've photographed both knives, the italian one and the new chinese along with my spyderco delica in the pic for scale. before we get to the photo, let me say both knives are identical. in every way. (in the photo, the bottom looks smaller. just an illusion from how i was standing over them) weight, length, blade thickness, scale thickness, bolsters, the same. i cannot tell the difference. well you couldn't, i can...from one very small detail. the italian made knife is marked on the blade "AKC World" and the chinese knife is marked "AKC Italy". huh? i was told by a pretty famous knife designer that if it says world instead of the country of origin, it's a fake. i actually sent an akc knife back, really the same knife, cause it said world.

so the one marked "world" that is sold in the u.s. by almost every knife seller, sells for between $90 and $119. depends on their mood. the chinese knife, well i bought this off wish for 11 bucks. the price fluctuates it seems on wish. the first time you look at it it's at the lowest price. this morning when i looked it was $8.50. everytime you go back to it, i've found the price increases by a couple of dollars.

i cannot find one iota of difference between the two besides the markings. both are exactly the same quality and the spec sheets from both the chinese vendor and the american vendor are also the same. i'm thinking these u.s. vendors are bringing the knives in from china. not much else i can say about them. or at least their distributors are. here are the knives.

eta...the bottom is the chinese knife

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Speaking of huge, hard to beat this Microtech HALO.

 

[Mountain]

Giving this thread a bump because automatics are now protected by the 2nd Amendment! (We think, LOL)

I use the carbon fiber MicroTech knock off on a daily basis for box cutting and other sh!t jobs and it's actually holding up quite well. No issues with any of them. I throw the Benchmade knockoff in my pocket every day because it weighs nothing and is a nice size to carry in dress pants at work.

I highly encourage NESers to buy Wish Benchmade knock-offs rather than real Benchmade knives. Why? No AR15's were melted to make the knock-offs, that's why.

 

[chris_1001]

Giving this thread a bump because automatics are now protected by the 2nd Amendment! (We think, LOL)

I use the carbon fiber MicroTech knock off on a daily basis for box cutting and other sh!t jobs and it's actually holding up quite well. No issues with any of them. I throw the Benchmade knockoff in my pocket every day because it weighs nothing and is a nice size to carry in dress pants at work.

I highly encourage NESers to buy Wish Benchmade knock-offs rather than real Benchmade knives. Why? No AR15's were melted to make the knock-offs, that's why.

In, but I bought a bunch of microteach clones. Already have the HALO Clone

If I really like the Troodon, I might buy the real one...

Nothing BM floats my boat right now...

 

[CATI]

Do the clone microtechs derail themselves like the real ones?

 

[CRSIII]

Do the clone microtechs derail themselves like the real ones?

Wait, wut?

 

[CATI]

Wait, wut?

If you deploy a real one into your leg or something by accident they derail as a safety feature
Do the clones have that feature?

 

[edin508]

If you deploy a real one into your leg or something by accident they derail as a safety feature
Do the clones have that feature?

Yes

 

[chris_1001]

Top LUDT is real.

The utx-70 is a clone. I like the utx. Stiff action. But a cool desk toy.

 

[CRSIII]

If you deploy a real one into your leg or something by accident they derail as a safety feature
Do the clones have that feature?

Oh! I have no clue.

 

[Mountain]

If you deploy a real one into your leg or something by accident they derail as a safety feature
Do the clones have that feature?

Yes, confirmed. I still think I might need stitches.

Kidding aside, tried it into a towel and yes they detail. Clone internal mechanisms are essentially the same.

The UTX's I have do appear to have a D2 blade or something similar. Holds an edge longer and is definitely more challenging to sharpen than 440 etc.

 

[straightshooterjake]

If you deploy a real one into your leg or something by accident they derail as a safety feature
Do the clones have that feature?

Yes, confirmed. I still think I might need stitches.

Kidding aside, tried it into a towel and yes they detail. Clone internal mechanisms are essentially the same.

The UTX's I have do appear to have a D2 blade or something similar. Holds an edge longer and is definitely more challenging to sharpen than 440 etc.

Double action OTF knives do not "derail" as a safety feature if the blade hits something while deploying. It is just a side effect of how these mechanisms work, and as far as I know, all double action OTF knives work this way.

Basically, OTF knives throw the blade in or out, and then catch it in a locking mechanism at the end of its travel. One thing to keep in mind about a double action knife, meaning a knife that fires the blade in both directions, is that the mechanism has no stored energy. The only energy is applied by the user's thumb. A spring can only release energy that has been previously put into it. For a side opener, the spring is tensioned when you close the blade, and then the button releases it. But for a double action OTF, the spring has no energy to release until tension is applied to the thumb switch. There is no other mechanism to apply tension to the spring. So these mechanism can snap out quickly, but they don't have any real power.

There are also single action out the front knives, but they are not very popular because they are impractical in many ways. For these knives, the blade fires out, but then there is a latch or mechanism to pull the blade back in using two hands. Pulling the blade back cocks a spring, and some of these blade fire out with force. They do not "derail" on firing, and they may penetrate things. Some companies make both kinds, which they would not do if derailing was a safety feature. I would not trust a single action OTF without an extra safety on the switch, and with an extra safety, it is slower than some manual knives. So to me a single action OTF is just a novelty item, but some people do like them.

 

[chris_1001]

Double action OTF knives do not "derail" as a safety feature if the blade hits something while deploying. It is just a side effect of how these mechanisms work, and as far as I know, all double action OTF knives work this way.

Basically, OTF knives throw the blade in or out, and then catch it in a locking mechanism at the end of its travel. One thing to keep in mind about a double action knife, meaning a knife that fires the blade in both directions, is that the mechanism has no stored energy. The only energy is applied by the user's thumb. A spring can only release energy that has been previously put into it. For a side opener, the spring is tensioned when you close the blade, and then the button releases it. But for a double action OTF, the spring has no energy to release until tension is applied to the thumb switch. There is no other mechanism to apply tension to the spring. So these mechanism can snap out quickly, but they don't have any real power.

There are also single action out the front knives, but they are not very popular because they are impractical in many ways. For these knives, the blade fires out, but then there is a latch or mechanism to pull the blade back in using two hands. Pulling the blade back cocks a spring, and some of these blade fire out with force. They do not "derail" on firing, and they may penetrate things. Some companies make both kinds, which they would not do if derailing was a safety feature. I would not trust a single action OTF without an extra safety on the switch, and with an extra safety, it is slower than some manual knives. So to me a single action OTF is just a novelty item, but some people do like them.

My clone halo 5 has a safety. Single action

 

[Mountain]

Double action OTF knives do not "derail" as a safety feature if the blade hits something while deploying. It is just a side effect of how these mechanisms work, and as far as I know, all double action OTF knives work this way.

Basically, OTF knives throw the blade in or out, and then catch it in a locking mechanism at the end of its travel. One thing to keep in mind about a double action knife, meaning a knife that fires the blade in both directions, is that the mechanism has no stored energy. The only energy is applied by the user's thumb. A spring can only release energy that has been previously put into it. For a side opener, the spring is tensioned when you close the blade, and then the button releases it. But for a double action OTF, the spring has no energy to release until tension is applied to the thumb switch. There is no other mechanism to apply tension to the spring. So these mechanism can snap out quickly, but they don't have any real power.

There are also single action out the front knives, but they are not very popular because they are impractical in many ways. For these knives, the blade fires out, but then there is a latch or mechanism to pull the blade back in using two hands. Pulling the blade back cocks a spring, and some of these blade fire out with force. They do not "derail" on firing, and they may penetrate things. Some companies make both kinds, which they would not do if derailing was a safety feature. I would not trust a single action OTF without an extra safety on the switch, and with an extra safety, it is slower than some manual knives. So to me a single action OTF is just a novelty item, but some people do like them.

LOL technically I agree with you. 'Derail' isn't technically correct but once the blade fires, only it's inertia propels it forward or rear ward. If something interrupts that movement there is no force once the spring releases. Clones operate same as originals.

Honestly, the OTF souble action is super handy as a utility knife. Low entry cost of the clones makes for a great utility knife.

The Halo is a different animal and is single action. I think it would make a decent compact survival knife, though I prefer fixed blades for that.