Not a lot options in the Gen III line. Two of them are over $4k.
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Need advice on a rifle scope
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Such a bargain.
Only 2.5k,np.i got 500000 vnd here,ill buy a bunch
.Gona take a good look at all scopes this weekend,then figure out which one .may be blkfriday sales will help a bit if i wait
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Tartakovsky
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Last few scopes I’ve bought from Euro, (Leupold and NF) I’ve reached out via email and they’ve sharpened the pencil pretty significantly.
Agnotology
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Flexing on the poors.... IN PERSON! =D
Admittedly i tend to be up around 18x at 600 yds for F class but true to the antique militeria passion i also enjoy the challenge of shooting my '03-A4 at midrange. That M73 2.5x FCH is real challenging for me as my crosshairs tend to get lost within the dirt impact berm. Im terribly nearsighted which doesnt help. Still really love shooting old skool wood and steel !
Tartakovsky
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I reached out to sales@eurooptic.com and they sent me quotes on NF and Leupold scopes that were pretty discounted from normal low prices. I picked up a NF ATACR 4-16x42 C615 for $2100. Their pricing is usually around $2600. I also picked up a Leupold MK 4HD 2.5-10x42FFP M5C3 illum TMR for just over $1k. Great scope but at higher magnification, the reticle lines are a little thicker than I’d like.
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Think I have the same scope, it's way smaller than the vortex, lighter, and runs like a champ.
ThePreBanMan
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Any list of scopes that is up for consideration that does not contain Leopold is not a serious list.
OP mentioned hunting which implies rough use, and shooting out to 400 yards which necessitates good glass and an adjustable objective lens.
Nothing on the list he posted fits that description. If the OP is serious about his requirements, Leopold, Zeiss, NightForce, and Swarovski would be the names on the list.
Yes, they are expensive. When it comes to glass, you get what you pay for. Budget constraints exist, cheap out on the rifle and get good glass. Buy once, cry once.
If you're only plinking around at the range in good weather a few times a year, that's one thing. But when it comes to hunting and shooting at distance with consistency, that's something very different. You want the scope that can stand up to the abuse, that's going to have good clarity in low light, won't fog, and will consistently track back to zero when windage and elevation changes are made to account for distance and weather. $150 scope ain't going to do any of that.
OP mentioned hunting which implies rough use, and shooting out to 400 yards which necessitates good glass and an adjustable objective lens.
Nothing on the list he posted fits that description. If the OP is serious about his requirements, Leopold, Zeiss, NightForce, and Swarovski would be the names on the list.
Yes, they are expensive. When it comes to glass, you get what you pay for. Budget constraints exist, cheap out on the rifle and get good glass. Buy once, cry once.
If you're only plinking around at the range in good weather a few times a year, that's one thing. But when it comes to hunting and shooting at distance with consistency, that's something very different. You want the scope that can stand up to the abuse, that's going to have good clarity in low light, won't fog, and will consistently track back to zero when windage and elevation changes are made to account for distance and weather. $150 scope ain't going to do any of that.
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Hey paul,or anyones,which webpage do I go to to look at this scope? I found 2 scopes on eurooptic but I need to look at a few more
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the one i threw in is a new arken. i like arkens and use them on 6 or 7 rifles now as i like similarity of turret controls and reticles. as i have quite a bit of rifles, i want similar scopes, and i simply refuse to buy a dozen of nightforces, even if i may have money for them, it is just not that i prioritize for my spending.
i do not have any of their lpvo scopes, so cannot say anything about them, you better google what people say on sniperhide and other forums.
arken is also known for paid reviews, so, take everything, good or bad, with a grain of salt.
i can only speak of models i own: ep5, sh4 and epl-4. so far i had 0 issues on any of them, but, i never abuse my optics. some people reported otherwise, so, go figure.
arken is a cheap brand, but probably the best cheap brand out there. athlon/vortex will be a higher tier than arken. nightforce/leopold are higher than vortex, etc.
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Agnotology
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I'm gonna test that as soon as my Spectre comes in. Zero it, dismount it, drop it a few times, remount it, rattle the shit out of the rifle, and then see if it held zero. Crank it 30 clicks left, 30 down, 30 right, 30 up, and test again. Dismount, put it back in the box, and play some impromptu football with it. Remount and test again.
If it fails, I'll make use of the lifetime warranty monstrum gives, and accept my place among the poors.
It may work, but Arken to monstrum is like trijicon to Arken. Everything monstrum was always in under $100 paintball etc territory, now they want to establish their products into $200-$400 segment but I do not think it’s worth it.
Try it, who knows.
ThePreBanMan
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Listen bro, I ain't hating on the poors. If all you are ever going to do is plink at the range, in good weather, a couple times a year, inside 200 yards, and never touch the dials after zeroing, one might be happy with the cheaper scope. However, one must be realistic about their requirements and the cost point to meet them though.
Some companies have a cost to Chinese manufacture a scope that is so low they could warranty it 10 times before they lose money. I can see why that warranty would be attractive to end users. But do those scopes meet the stated requirements?
The OP stated a very different use case. And when it comes to hunting in particular, making a shot on game is not the time to find out your scope doesn't cut the mustard. You don't need the worlds most expensive rifle scope to meet OP's requirements. But one does need to be realistic and if one can't afford to buy something that is up to par, then save your money. Saving is better than wasting. Because cheaping out on something that's not there, in the end, only makes you worse off. Now you're out the loot and you're requirements still aren't met.
Until my career got off the ground, I didn't have 2 nickels to rub together. No Senator's son over here. So I get it. One needs to prioritize meeting these requirements against other things in life. If one can't meet the price point to do that, then maybe they have to compromise on their requirements.
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ThePreBanMan
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This video may help a little bit. This guy's channel is excellent.
View: https://youtu.be/qpJ10iKzG30?feature=shared
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I definitely agree, hunting, something like Nightforce would be ideal. They make them tough and they warranty them.
The trouble is at times when I've shopped, never found a real huge markdown on that brand where you buy a $2k price range version down in the $1k ballpark. Trijicon & Vortex you can, others too.
I do feel Arken can be a solid bet if they are good about the warranty. But you need to keep in mind, it is built to be a budget brand. Quality stuff is built both in the US & Japan, and I guess in Europe too, but not so much China - they manage cheap manufacturing through sorting out the duds, even doing a good job of it the products sold will likely have a higher degree of differences one unit to another with Arken. I'd still buy another one, just there is no free lunch.
The trouble is at times when I've shopped, never found a real huge markdown on that brand where you buy a $2k price range version down in the $1k ballpark. Trijicon & Vortex you can, others too.
I do feel Arken can be a solid bet if they are good about the warranty. But you need to keep in mind, it is built to be a budget brand. Quality stuff is built both in the US & Japan, and I guess in Europe too, but not so much China - they manage cheap manufacturing through sorting out the duds, even doing a good job of it the products sold will likely have a higher degree of differences one unit to another with Arken. I'd still buy another one, just there is no free lunch.
i would be careful about the mechanical aspects of some of them, as people say they can fold in the middle or get turrets go kaput if you use them as a carry handle on a rifle. not enough metal for the tubes or welding is not that great, go figure. you can try to search sniperhide for details.
all mine are just fine, though, but i do not carry any rifles by a scope.
Makes sense. If I was a hunter, I'd probably spring for a Nightforce on any rifle that was to be used heavily...
The warranty part, sure, but mostly it would be investing lots of time and $$ into a sport where a missed shot, failed gear, is a huge bummer and the nature of hunting is bumping a rifle around some. For the same reasons, I don't buy cheap fishing reels.
peterk123
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Highly recommended. I bought my kowa 88 and a couple tripods from them. One of the guys from the shop hangs on rockslide. Quick to answer questions, usually gives another 10% off to rokslide members.These guys are legit and sometimes have good deals that beat Eurooptic.
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Way, WAY too much hand-wringing over a hunting rifle scope.
Leupold. Done
You've got to be kidding me with the Nightforce recommendations.
Yes, I know they make great optics, but so do a half-dozen other makers at 1/5th the price.
Leupold. Done
You've got to be kidding me with the Nightforce recommendations.
Yes, I know they make great optics, but so do a half-dozen other makers at 1/5th the price.
These guys are legit and sometimes have good deals that beat Eurooptic.
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Yup. Call them and talk to Doug. Tell him you’re on a forum and they’ll cut you a deal. They often sell Open Box items that are actually new. They just open them and can get below MAP
