Practical Implications of H4885 for Purchasing and Possessing

Well that's that. They were a resident a few years ago and had got their ltc circa 21, so probably not expired. He only has pistols, most of which were in the state in 21, but some purcased in Tejas so it sounds like those may be fine, but sounds like the idea of bringing in a long semi gun post 8/1 won't be happening. Thought there was previously a one time exemption for moving into the state with firearms.
 
We need to keep reminding ourselves - what our State Government has chosen to do is be a bunch of Constitution-Breakers. They hate normal people and our country.
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  • Browning BAR Mark II Safari Semi-Auto Rifle
  • Browning BAR Mark II Safari Magnum Rifle
  • Browning High-Power Rifle
  • Heckler & Koch Model 300 Rifle
  • Iver Johnson M–1 Carbine
  • Iver Johnson 50th Anniversary M–1 Carbine
  • Marlin Model 9 Camp Carbine
  • Marlin Model 45 Carbine
  • Remington Nylon 66 Auto-Loading Rifle
  • Remington Model 7400 Auto Rifle
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  • Remington Model 7400 Special Purpose Auto Rifle
  • Ruger Mini-14 Autoloading Rifle (w/o folding stock)
  • Ruger Mini Thirty Rifle
I see the Henry Homesteader is not on this list. Why?
 
Well that's that. They were a resident a few years ago and had got their ltc circa 21, so probably not expired. He only has pistols, most of which were in the state in 21, but some purcased in Tejas so it sounds like those may be fine, but sounds like the idea of bringing in a long semi gun post 8/1 won't be happening. Thought there was previously a one time exemption for moving into the state with firearms.
"Tejas"?
 
Well that's that. They were a resident a few years ago and had got their ltc circa 21, so probably not expired. He only has pistols, most of which were in the state in 21, but some purcased in Tejas so it sounds like those may be fine, but sounds like the idea of bringing in a long semi gun post 8/1 won't be happening. Thought there was previously a one time exemption for moving into the state with firearms.
One time exemption from filing a FA10 if you move with your guns, not from any of the ban language. That exemption goes away once the new reg system is online.

Pistols are fine as long as they don’t meet the prior (in effect until 10/22) or new (in effect 10/23 onwards) ban language. Since nothing he has was lawfully owned in MA ON 8/1/24, nothing he has is granted an exemption even if it was in state before.

He should do everything to either stay in TX or move to any state but MA or CT if he needs to be near Mass.
 
I have a question sorry if it’s comes across dumb or not knowing,can I buy a 80% lower that was manufacturing before the Haley rule 2016 from a resident of New Hampshire now befor 10-22 an build it befor 10/22 and be okay?
 
I have a question sorry if it’s comes across dumb or not knowing,can I buy a 80% lower that was manufacturing before the Haley rule 2016 from a resident of New Hampshire now befor 10-22 an build it befor 10/22 and be okay?

Depending on who you ask... my understanding is you could build it by 10/22 and be legal... until 10/22 when it becomes banned by name and will almost guaranteed fail any feature test as it wouldn't qualify as a lawfully possessed firearm on the new grandfather date of 8/1

Unless you mean it WAS an 80% lower that was milled and documented already?..

Take it with a grain of salt.
 
If I install a rifled barrel on my VR80 semi-automatic shotgun, I can then run 10 rd mags?

o_O
Nope - no mention of smooth versus rifled bore
Pistol grip and detachable mag = assault-style firearm.
The part (g)(v) exception doesn't apply since you can easily purchase a 10 round mag
 
Depending on who you ask... my understanding is you could build it by 10/22 and be legal... until 10/22 when it becomes banned by name and will almost guaranteed fail any feature test as it wouldn't qualify as a lawfully possessed firearm on the new grandfather date of 8/1

Unless you mean it WAS an 80% lower that was milled and documented already?..

Take it with a grain of salt.
thank you…f*** them approval it wasn’t here before
 
I have a question sorry if it’s comes across dumb or not knowing,can I buy a 80% lower that was manufacturing before the Haley rule 2016 from a resident of New Hampshire now befor 10-22 an build it befor 10/22 and be okay?
Depends on your risk tolerance.
You asked the question on the internet so now you can't say you purchased it cash back in early 2016 machined it but never assembled.
The courts are going to decide the outcome of the 7/20 date in copies and duplicates - they are either all legal if possessed on 8/1 or anything not in the transaction database by 7/20/16 is an incurable assault-style firearm.
If the lower courts pick the 8/1 date then any privately made firearm entered into the registry once it is available is essentially good to go as long as the receiver/frame only exists after 8/1 (and you STFU)
 
I have a question sorry if it’s comes across dumb or not knowing,can I buy a 80% lower that was manufacturing before the Haley rule 2016 from a resident of New Hampshire now befor 10-22 an build it befor 10/22 and be okay?

If the 80% lower was in Mass. on 8/1, then it's exempt from the new "assault-style firearm" ban.

If it wasn't, it doesn't matter when it was forged/manufactured/assembled, and cannot be imported or possessed.


Remember: the definition of "firearm" as used in the definition of "assault-style firearm" in the new §121 includes:

"... the frame or receiver of any such firearm or the unfinished frame or receiver of any such firearm;"

An 80% lower qualifies as a "firearm" under the new §121, and the definition of "assault-style firearm" includes that definition of "firearm"

Therefore, if the 80% lower was in the state on 8/1, you can do anything you want with it on 10/23.

You are still required to get a serial number for it (if it doesn't already have a serial number) and register it under the new 121B and 121C when those systems become available.

I'm not sure how the state could possibly know or prove how old an 80% lower is, or if it was in the state on 8/1.
 
Remember: the definition of "firearm" as used in the definition of "assault-style firearm" in the new §121 includes:

"... the frame or receiver of any such firearm or the unfinished frame or receiver of any such firearm;"

An 80% lower qualifies as a "firearm" under the new §121, and the definition of "assault-style firearm" includes that definition of "firearm"
Hmmm.... if the definition of "Frame or receiver" is specific to ASWs, does this mean that frames that go to items other than ASWs are still non-firearms? If so, the not listed handgun hack would still work, provided of course, that a dealer accepts such interpretation.
 
Hmmm.... if the definition of "Frame or receiver" is specific to ASWs, does this mean that frames that go to items other than ASWs are still non-firearms? If so, the not listed handgun hack would still work, provided of course, that a dealer accepts such interpretation.
The definitions of Frame and Receiver are odd, but not specific to ASW. They actually have their own problems and could adversely effect other parts of the gun. Receiver is limited to rifle or shotgun. Frame is limited to pistol or revolver. This is clearly not the same meanings as federal, but their own unique ones. If it is Marked (as required federally) it IS a frame or receiver. But the definition of receiver quite possibly includes the upper receiver of an AR.

I had not parsed through this in detail previously and likely need to go back over it.

A receiver for a MP5 clone is a "frame" under the new MA law. hmm. I think there is a real back door to nuking AR uppers in this language.
 
How does this law affect chassis like the Roni? Once you slap it on a Glock, is it considered an AOW, pistol, or SBR?
Federally it is what it always was. If it is a AOW or SBR then you need a federal tax stamp and nothing in MA law can ever change that. So let's assume we are talking about a Roni with a pistol brace that remains a pistol under federal law. In MA its a pistol under the new law. If the glock was lawfully owned by a MA dealer or LTC holder, its a totally lawful pistol inside the Roni.
 
Federally it is what it always was. If it is a AOW or SBR then you need a federal tax stamp and nothing in MA law can ever change that. So let's assume we are talking about a Roni with a pistol brace that remains a pistol under federal law. In MA its a pistol under the new law. If the glock was lawfully owned by a MA dealer or LTC holder, its a totally lawful pistol inside the Roni.
Is something like the flux or recoil tactical considered the same as the roni?
 
Is something like the flux or recoil tactical considered the same as the roni?
I don't think you need to compare to the roni to make a determination. You have a lawful GUN of some flavor on 8/1. AR lower. Complete glock. Whatever. Come 10/23 it is either an ASW or you have turned it into an ASW. It is not an unlawful ASW since you owned it on 8/1.

The new language is pretty broad and unambiguous. Lawfully possessed on 8/1 and clause (i) that makes it not legal to possess goes away.
 
I don't think you need to compare to the roni to make a determination. You have a lawful GUN of some flavor on 8/1. AR lower. Complete glock. Whatever. Come 10/23 it is either an ASW or you have turned it into an ASW. It is not an unlawful ASW since you owned it on 8/1.

The new language is pretty broad and unambiguous. Lawfully possessed on 8/1 and clause (i) that makes it not legal to possess goes away.
Ok, so there is some definite ambiguity as I’ve already seen in spades. Maybe this is more Federally focused then as some of these braces actually have a “brace” or a “stock” end to the pistol “brace”. Maybe it doesn’t matter at all as it’s already legally possessed. A pistol is a firearm now.

For example the recoil 20/20 has a brace end with velco strap but also a stock end to the brace. Confusing.

And as you earlier pointed out the 50 oz rule is gone after 10/23 so why even bother with a flux 49.2 oz? Making an ASW after the fact is the issue then…but an ASW already owned as a receiver or frame can be built into whatever one wants.
 
So what's the deal with gun parts bearing mfg. serial numbers? It looks like there are sections calling a serial numbered pistol part the "frame" of a pistol and a serial numbered part for a rifle and/or shotgun the "receiver," which "shall be presumed, absent an official determination by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in the United States Department of Justice or other reliable evidence to the contrary, to be the receiver of the firearm."

Does common sense count as "reliable evidence to the contrary" (I know it doesn't). If i have a spare M14 bolt that has a serial number on it is that now supposed to be a receiver and separately registered? If I have a pistol with serialed frame, barrel and slide are all supposed to be registered? If the numbers match? If they don't?
 
So what's the deal with gun parts bearing mfg. serial numbers? It looks like there are sections calling a serial numbered pistol part the "frame" of a pistol and a serial numbered part for a rifle and/or shotgun the "receiver," which "shall be presumed, absent an official determination by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in the United States Department of Justice or other reliable evidence to the contrary, to be the receiver of the firearm."

Does common sense count as "reliable evidence to the contrary" (I know it doesn't). If i have a spare M14 bolt that has a serial number on it is that now supposed to be a receiver and separately registered? If I have a pistol with serialed frame, barrel and slide are all supposed to be registered? If the numbers match? If they don't?
It is a mess of language and I think it has some serious risk for us all.
 
A receiver for a MP5 clone is a "frame" under the new MA law. hmm. I think there is a real back door to nuking AR uppers in this language.
So if an MP5 clone receiver is a “frame”. It can still be transferred in from out of state until 10/23? And with an approved Form 1 assembled as an SBR it will be a pistol as far as the state is concerned?
 
So if an MP5 clone receiver is a “frame”. It can still be transferred in from out of state until 10/23? And with an approved Form 1 assembled as an SBR it will be a pistol as far as the state is concerned?
Sure. And on 10/23 it is an ASW and illegal to possess. I mentioned this earlier. We can still bring in anything that is legal today and transfer it, but it wont be grandfathered. A MP5 clone is a great example of this. No way for it to be legal after 10/22.
 
The definitions of Frame and Receiver are odd, but not specific to ASW. They actually have their own problems and could adversely effect other parts of the gun. Receiver is limited to rifle or shotgun. Frame is limited to pistol or revolver. This is clearly not the same meanings as federal, but their own unique ones. If it is Marked (as required federally) it IS a frame or receiver. But the definition of receiver quite possibly includes the upper receiver of an AR.

I had not parsed through this in detail previously and likely need to go back over it.

A receiver for a MP5 clone is a "frame" under the new MA law. hmm. I think there is a real back door to nuking AR uppers in this language.
I recall reading language along the lines of "components that seal the breach", in which case yea, sounds like uppers would be f***ed.
 
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