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While I carry pre-ba standard caps myself, I understand why people get nervous in MA. OP is clearly quite nervous and should just carry 10rd mags.
“One day” for me was 7/21/2016.Most of the people get nervous because they've sauced themselves up on "mass gun owner calamity doom porn" etc. while losing sight of the fact that out of the shitload of LTC holders in mass, only a fraction of a % ever get clapped for anything gun related. One day I just woke up and decided to refuse to live that way anymore, (and honestly my blood pressure cant afford it) but everyones gotta make their own choices/do whats comfortable.
Except that, in the case of Glock anyway, crippled mags have a proven record of unreliability. I wouldn’t trust my life to a crippled mag or a 30 year old U-notch mag.
I honestly don’t know how you guys leave the house with the amount of anxiety you must have in this state.
If you ever had to use your gun in self-defense you're going to have to deal with all of that anyways they're going to be analyzing what you ate for dinner never mind the stupid capacity thing.....I think you miss the point. I'm not afraid of the man when it comes to prebans, as I know I've done my homework and would eventually prevail. What I don't want is the days to weeks to months of legal bullsh*t that comes along with proving my innocence and the time and money lost along the way should it ever come to it. Not for 5 extra rounds that could be moot anyway with carrying another mag for a G19. So the only thing I really fear is hassle.
True. But while there may be some uncertainty in their ability to prove that the shooting was unjustified, you don’t want to hand them an easy felony win on a post-ban standard cap magazine.If you ever had to use your gun in self-defense you're going to have to deal with all of that anyways they're going to be analyzing what you ate for dinner never mind the stupid capacity thing.....
But at that point you’re acknowledging you were just in a gunfight, I’m thinking you may have wanted those 5 rounds…True. But while there may be some uncertainty in their ability to prove that the shooting was unjustified, you don’t want to hand them an easy felony win on a post-ban standard cap magazine.
YupBut at that point you’re acknowledging you were just in a gunfight, I’m thinking you may have wanted those 5 rounds…
If you ever had to use your gun in self-defense you're going to have to deal with all of that anyways they're going to be analyzing what you ate for dinner never mind the stupid capacity thing.....
I’m not going to try to convince you because I “get it” and I was once there myself; but once you realize that you’re following the letter of the law in good faith but the law won’t give you the same consideration, your outlook will change. And you’ll sleep better for it.True, but what if I find myself in a non-shooting situation where I have to explain the magazine? Just a mental exercise I'm asking here. Maybe y'all will convince me I truly am concerned about nothing.
Absolutley. And to add that it's arguable that MA is generally acting in bad faith when it comes to firearms. As in 'guilty until proven innocent' and 'take the guns, ammo, etc first due process.... maybe later' and 'charge with 10 felonies see what sticks and let em plea down and will still get a high conviction rate'I’m not going to try to convince you because I “get it” and I was once there myself; but once you realize that you’re following the letter of the law in good faith but the law won’t give you the same consideration, your outlook will change. And you’ll sleep better for it.
don't pay attention to laws. do what you can get away with; lying and sneaking to authorities should come as a natural attributeDisclaimers:
1) Yes, I know that if you are dealing with a high cap magazine charge you probably have other problems.
2) Yes, I know that the prosecution would have to prove it wasn't pre-ban.
3) Peace of mind and a happy spouse is worth something in this endeavor.
4) I've done a fair amount of reading on this topic. I'm not asking for the basics, I'm wondering if I'm missing something.
So, I want a pistol that takes pre-ban high cap magazines, preferrably provably pre-ban magazines.
I don't want a Glock. I don't like them and the older magazines are failing with plastic cracking. Also not interested in Ruger P series.
I know that OEM MP5 magazines and other HK magazines usually have date codes on them. For pistol mags it seems there is primarily USP mags available? And they seem pretty rare.
As far as I can tell there isn't a way to prove beretta 92 mags are pre ban, unless you have a paper trail or possibly original packaging.
There are ways I've read to prove Sig p226 mags are, but it still seems to be a bit wishy washy, unless you have the paper trail or possibly original packaging. I'm looking into getting some copies of sig catalogs from the time to see if there is something there that could be useful.
Are there other options or ways to prove pre-ban status that I'm not aware of yet?
Is my best bet a sig p226 or beretta 92 with some sort of paper trail?
Thanks!
Sure. But what is the chance that I’ll be in a gunfight where I’ll need 11+ rounds without a chance to do a reload? Is it possible? Sure. How likely is it? It’s quite hard to come up with an accurate estimate of that risk.But at that point you’re acknowledging you were just in a gunfight, I’m thinking you may have wanted those 5 rounds…
I’m not going to try to convince you because I “get it” and I was once there myself; but once you realize that you’re following the letter of the law in good faith but the law won’t give you the same consideration, your outlook will change. And you’ll sleep better for it.
Orion Quest riding his motorcycle off a cliff and into the Grandizer robot he stole, explains much of who I amComplete side note, but Force Five was my sh*t back in the day. I leaned towards Getter Robo G, but Grendizer was badass too.
The problem with the above is that I know the law isn't going to give me any sort of consideration: hence my current stance of not F'ing around to find out. The whole, "I know I'm already F'd, so I might as well no longer care" doesn't seem logical to me, but I'm probably thinking too much into it.
Orion Quest riding his motorcycle off a cliff and into the Grandizer robot he stole, explains much of who I am
Mr Big’s Toyland, Waltham MA.I recall there was some local (NE?) toy store, god knows where now, that would advertise during the Force Five shows that had Japanese imports of all these toys. Super low budget commercial with like camcorder results, but I was so god damn jealous that I never got to step foot in that place back in the day. I'd shake it off with some Movieloft or Three's Company reruns.
Mr Big’s Toyland, Waltham MA.
S&W 59, 459, 659, 5903, 5904, 5905, and 5906 will all take the pre-ban 14 and 15 round mags, there are also some 30 round out there mostly used with the Marlin Camp 9, which also takes 59 series mags. As for the mag safety mentioned by @drgrant , it's easily disabled without any irreversible modification, or you can just practice until it doesn't matter (or just leave it off all the time).Disclaimers:
1) Yes, I know that if you are dealing with a high cap magazine charge you probably have other problems.
2) Yes, I know that the prosecution would have to prove it wasn't pre-ban.
3) Peace of mind and a happy spouse is worth something in this endeavor.
4) I've done a fair amount of reading on this topic. I'm not asking for the basics, I'm wondering if I'm missing something.
So, I want a pistol that takes pre-ban high cap magazines, preferrably provably pre-ban magazines.
I don't want a Glock. I don't like them and the older magazines are failing with plastic cracking. Also not interested in Ruger P series.
I know that OEM MP5 magazines and other HK magazines usually have date codes on them. For pistol mags it seems there is primarily USP mags available? And they seem pretty rare.
As far as I can tell there isn't a way to prove beretta 92 mags are pre ban, unless you have a paper trail or possibly original packaging.
There are ways I've read to prove Sig p226 mags are, but it still seems to be a bit wishy washy, unless you have the paper trail or possibly original packaging. I'm looking into getting some copies of sig catalogs from the time to see if there is something there that could be useful.
Are there other options or ways to prove pre-ban status that I'm not aware of yet?
Is my best bet a sig p226 or beretta 92 with some sort of paper trail?
Thanks!
True, but what if I find myself in a non-shooting situation where I have to explain the magazine? Just a mental exercise I'm asking here. Maybe y'all will convince me I truly am concerned about nothing.
Notice what's missing here? A specific date.
Model jury instruction regarding unlawful possession of large capacity weapons and/or feeding devices
From Comm. v. Cassidy, 479 Mass. 427 (2018) appendix.www.mass.gov
A CZ-75 (or clone) should also have magazines available if you're dedicated to the search
Yeah. Here is the issue:Notice what's missing here? A specific date.
Model jury instruction regarding unlawful possession of large capacity weapons and/or feeding devices
From Comm. v. Cassidy, 479 Mass. 427 (2018) appendix.www.mass.gov
To prove the second element, the Commonwealth must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the item in question met the legal definition of a large capacity (weapon) (feeding device). (A large capacity weapon is defined in our law as any firearm, rifle, or shotgun that is semiautomatic and has a fixed large capacity feeding device or is capable of accepting, or readily modifiable to accept, any detachable large capacity feeding device, or any firearm, rifle, or shotgun that employs a rotating cylinder capable of accepting more than ten rounds of ammunition or more than five shotgun shells.) (A large capacity feeding device is defined in our law as a fixed or detachable magazine, box, drum, feed strip, or similar device capable of accepting, or that can be readily converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition or more than five shotgun shells.)
''Large capacity feeding device'', (i) a fixed or detachable magazine, box, drum, feed strip or similar device capable of accepting, or that can be readily converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition or more than five shotgun shells; or (ii) a large capacity ammunition feeding device as defined in the federal Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(31) as appearing in such section on September 13, 1994.