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i taught a few basic hunter education courses here in MA. i was amazed at how many times one of the students would sweep the crowd. a couple in every class
See reply #7 -- also see a local lawyer to tell you all the ways this could go south anyway.NH and MA don't have any kind of "Limited Landowner Liability" law on the books?
Lame.
NH and MA don't have any kind of "Limited Landowner Liability" law on the books?
Lame.
Negative at this time. The club has set up its own steel targets on numerous ranges though.I’m not a member at Harvard but I think you can bring your own steel targets.
Thanks. Just edited my postNegative at this time. The club has set up its own steel targets on numerous ranges though.
There's a reason that it's "Basic."i taught a few basic hunter education courses here in MA. i was amazed at how many times one of the students would sweep the crowd. a couple in every class
I ran a 12....and is (3) shots that much more ghetto than (2)?Going shooting ducks we would always try to spot who brings a semi-auto 12ga, as you guess what happens as he starts turning while tracing the flying flock.
indeed!There's a reason that it's "Basic."
This is one reason that MassWildlife uses non-real guns.
That's not the way it is here in Maine. If you allow recreational use of your property by the general public (hiking, hunting, fishing, snowmobiling, whatever), you are immune from lawsuits if somebody decides to sue you because they got hurt.It’s not just an issue of laws on the books, and MA does have some form of this IIrc. People can still sue for years putting you in a position of having to spend time, effort, and money to defend yourself. Ask the fellow from Mole Hollow Candle in Shelburne Falls, MA about it. Some folks who hurt themselves playing around on the falls went after him for years claiming he was responsible because the gate to the stairway they used to access the falls was adjacent to his property. In the end he “won” but it still took a huge toll on him.
At the ski hill we never gave people permission to hike our property in the off season. They were welcome to but if they asked and we okayed it their well-being on our property became our responsibility. I’ve got some funny stories about conversations with people seeking permission loosing their mind not understanding that I wasn’t saying no just not giving them our blessing.
Cosby’s signage is pretty interesting on his parcel in Shelburne. They read ‘You do not have permission to be here’ not that you can’t be there.
Once you knowingly give consent, all the protections under the law go out the window is what I’ve been told.
That is awesome.That's not the way it is here in Maine. If you allow recreational use of your property by the general public (hiking, hunting, fishing, snowmobiling, whatever), you are immune from lawsuits if somebody decides to sue you because they got hurt.
It's true anybody can sue you for anything at anytime, but there has never been a successful lawsuit against a Maine landowner for the issues we're talking about. There basically isn't an attorney who would be willing to take the case.
That is awesome.
Now, beat the sh*t put of all the judges thst allowed that sh*t to happen in their court.
Because what you describe is the way it should be.
That's not the way it is here in Maine. If you allow recreational use of your property by the general public (hiking, hunting, fishing, snowmobiling, whatever), you are immune from lawsuits if somebody decides to sue you because they got hurt.Once you knowingly give consent, all the protections under the law go out the window is what I’ve been told.
It's true anybody can sue you for anything at anytime, but there has never been a successful lawsuit against a Maine landowner for the issues we're talking about. There basically isn't an attorney who would be willing to take the case.
RSA 508:14 said:An owner, occupant, or lessee of land, including the state or any political subdivision, who without charge permits any person to use land for recreational purposes or as a spectator of recreational activity, shall not be liable for personal injury or property damage in the absence of intentionally caused injury or damage.
RSA 212:34 said:I. In this section:
(a) "Charge" means a payment or fee paid by a person to the landowner for entry upon, or use of the premises, for outdoor recreational activity.
(b) "Landowner" means an owner, lessee, holder of an easement, occupant of the premises, or person managing, controlling, or overseeing the premises on behalf of such owner, lessee, holder of an easement, or occupant of the premises.
(c) "Outdoor recreational activity" means outdoor recreational pursuits including, but not limited to...
II. A landowner owes no duty of care to keep the premises safe for entry or use by others for outdoor recreational activity or to give any warning of
hazardous conditions, uses of, structures, or activities on such premises to persons entering for such purposes...
III. A landowner who gives permission to another to enter or use the premises for outdoor recreational activity does not thereby:
(a) Extend any assurance that the premises are safe for such purpose;
(b) Confer to the person to whom permission has been granted the legal status of an invitee to whom a duty of care is owed; or
(c) Assume responsibility for or incur liability for an injury to person or property caused by any act of such person to whom permission has been granted, except as provided in paragraph V.
IV. Any warning given by a landowner, whether oral or by sign, guard, or issued by other means, shall not be the basis of liability for a claim that such warning was inadequate or insufficient...
VII. If, as to any action against a landowner, the court finds against the claimant because of the application of this section, it shall determine whether the claimant had a reasonable basis for bringing the action, and if no reasonable basis is found, shall order the claimant to pay for the reasonable attorneys' fees and costs incurred by the landowner in defending against the action.
VIII. It is recognized that outdoor recreational activities may be hazardous. Therefore, each person who participates in outdoor recreational activities accepts, as a matter of law, the dangers inherent in such activities, and shall not maintain an action against an owner, occupant, or lessee of land for any injuries which result from such inherent risks, dangers, or hazards. ...
They're going to have to fund their lawsuit out of their own pocket, because no lawyer will take such a case on contingency in ME, NH.You guys really splitting hairs with your legalities....
I’m telling you, you can sue anybody for any reason.Just talk to a personal injury attorney.
I’m not an attorney but I will tell you this when you tell somebody to stay off your property and you serve somebody With a no trespass order. And then they “fall” From their tree stand. It wasn’t open to public use and you can be sued
They're going to have to fund their lawsuit out of their own pocket, because no lawyer will take such a case on contingency in ME, NH.
Not if you are properly insured for the peril you are being sued for.If you’re involved in a lawsuit it’s coming out of your pocket either way
Especially if you bring your sister.But once you get down here to God's country in Eastern Tennessee you may not want to go back...
Especially if you bring your sister.
As Trailmaster of our local snowmobile club, I'm VERY familiar with this law. Trust me: if there is no malice on your end, you WILL NOT be sued by some douche bag who kills himself on your property. And if by some chance such a person could find a lawyer to bring up such a suit, they will lose and all fees will be paid by them. Again, NEVER has there been a successful lawsuit brought to court in Maine.
Shut down your land for whatever reason you want, but don't use "I'm gonna get sued" as an excuse.
Definitely worth exploring further but some of the reported issues with it's irresponsible use and son not yet having an LTC would be hurdles for the time being.What about Martin Burns MWA range?
Martin burns target free public range some info and questions
In north east mass there's a free public range in the the Martin burns wildlife area. All you need to do is send a letter in with a self address stamp envelope, contact info and your ltc number. they'll mail you a permit for free to use the target range. Is where you mail your request...www.northeastshooters.com
Just got back from Rural King a bit ago. Kinda like Walmart for rednecks. But with good ol' boy customer service. They have clothes, chickens, plumbing, electrical, tractor (REAL ones, not just lawn mowers) parts, tools, food, critter (bird, chicken, horse, cow, etc) food, everything you'd need on a farm.OP is welcome to come shoot at my "range" any time. Well, provided I'm home that is. But it's a little far from MA if 4 hours to ME is too far. But once you get down here to God's country in Eastern Tennessee you may not want to go back...