ruger 10/22 into a gatling gun???

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a few months ago someone told me about a kit that can be used to convert 2 ruger 10/22 into a gatling gun. then again last night some one told me about it so i just looked it up on line and low and behold the darn thing does exist! for only 399.99 you can make your own gatling gun! i guess there also used to be a model adapted to the AK-47.

click here for the link

has any one ever bought one of these?

i also juts foudn these vids of them in action

the AK-47 Gatling gun

the ruger 10/22 Gatling gun
 
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Looks like fun.

The AK version could get expensive!

I think I would be more than a little concerned at firing at the dirt right in front of me like in the videos, however.
 
Yea, I was trying to get someone that I know that has a machine shop to build them...

But they can't do it..

I've been wanting to get one... I almost bought the Bass Pro 10/22 special...but I didn't.

I think that at some point, I'll end up getting one.
 
noelephant said:
Looks like fun.

The AK version could get expensive!

I think I would be more than a little concerned at firing at the dirt right in front of me like in the videos, however.
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Is he trying to till the soil or something?
 
Somebody had the 10/22 version at the Pumpkin Shoot. However every time I hear something new it pushes something old out the opposite side of my head, therefore I cannot recall who it was.
 
i know where you can get one for a ruger 10/22!!! i saw it its sooo badass!! it mounts 2 of them in it and it looks just liek that! its at a shop right down the street set up on the counter... its called "state line gun shop" in mason NH, on rte 31....righhht near my g/f house, my friend actually is a gunsmith there. im there allllll the time.
 
Remember, if you build one and end up selling it, you must file TWO FA-10 forms and thus take up half of your available personal transfers for that calendar year. Prety cool idea, though.
 
There are at least 2 sets of plans out there to make a real scaled down .22 rim fire gatling gun with 6 rotating barrels. It requires some serious machining skill, or I'd be all over it already.
 
I've always wondered that myself.

At Knob Creek, however, there was a semi-auto version of some big 'ol neutered MG that was hand cranked and was still supposedly considered a semi-auto. My brother has one of the 1919A4 semi-autos and you can easily purchase a crank for it which will give you a very high rate of fire. Supposedly these are all acceptible.

There are also a number of accessories you can purchase that will "bump fire" your AR or other semi-autos. I have one that actually had a card you kept with the rifle in case anyone questioned you at your range. It was a copy of the letter from the ATF stating that the accessory was in full compliance with the law.

Still, you read about the AFT confiscating rifles and using things like shoestrings and worn parts to convict the owners of having an MG. Seems like a lot more trouble than it's worth. Too bad we have to always worry about that in the backs of our minds while we're just having some fun.

Rome
 
atmay said:
Out of curiosity, is a hand-cranked gatling-type gun technically a machine gun?
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I believe that BATF (or whatever they're called these days) has determined they are not. My concern is whether MA would consider it an SBR.

C-pher, I'll need to get on another computer to get those links, and I'll forward them.
 
The hand cranks are from my understanding (IANAL) because it uses an oval shaped block at the trigger end of the crank to "pull" the trigger. It will still only fire 1 shot for every 1 pull of the trigger.
 
It's been years, but there was a kit for M1 Carbines as well. I was at a shoot out in Ohio and a guy had four M1 Carbines hooked together. I was surprised how easily he seemed to be able to keep them on target - it must take practice. The 10/22 kits are pretty neat and with some working high-caps could be a fun little plinker...
 
Executive said:
Remember, if you build one and end up selling it, you must file TWO FA-10 forms and thus take up half of your available personal transfers for that calendar year. Prety cool idea, though.
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Why? An FA-10 "registration" is not a transfer, and thus it should
not count against the limit. You could then just transfer the whole
thing through an FFL if you wanted to, though. The FFL might
even even give you a discount for transferring "two rifles at once",

-Mike
 
noelephant said:
Looks like fun.

The AK version could get expensive!
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It would be less expensive than you might think (the cost of burning up all that ammo aside [smile]).

With a few simple homemade tools, a single AK can be built for around $250.00 - $270.00 (parts kit, preformed receiver and a few 922r compliance parts).

They can be built for a lot less (under $200.00), if the person has better shop tools, a few jigs and is using unbent receiver flats.


Arioch said:
I believe that BATF (or whatever they're called these days) has determined they are not. My concern is whether MA would consider it an SBR.
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It's only an SBR if the barrel(s) is under 16" or has an over all length less than 26".
 
Cabinetman said:
Still, you read about the AFT confiscating rifles and using things like shoestrings and worn parts to convict the owners of having an MG. Seems like a lot more trouble than it's worth. Too bad we have to always worry about that in the backs of our minds while we're just having some fun.
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In theory you still might have to worry even if you don't have a
hand crank or a shoestring. The ATF has tried to "bag" certain
people for having malfunctioning rifles- eg, the intent of the
owner was never to have it fire more than one shot, but due to
some mechanical failure, it would do so on occasion.

I will freely admit the probability of such a conviction happening
is low, but if one is that paranoid they should just stick to
bolt actions. [laugh]

FWIW I think at this point numerous hand-crank guys probably
have a approval letters from the ATF. If you saw one at Knob
Creek it is more than likely legal, as there are typically ATF agents
that come by and mill around at that event, whether they're
undercover or otherwise.

-Mike
 
LoginName said:
It would be less expensive than you might think (the cost of burning up all that ammo aside [smile]).

With a few simple homemade tools, a single AK can be built for around $250.00 - $270.00 (parts kit, preformed receiver and a few 922r compliance parts).

They can be built for a lot less (under $200.00), if the person has better shop tools, a few jigs and is using unbent receiver flats.




It's only an SBR if the barrel(s) is under 16" or has an over all length less than 26".
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The plans I've seen use 10" to 12" barrels to maintain the scale of the gun, but of course, this can be made longer, The reciever is very short, and there is no stock, so the barrel length will be the majority of the gun length.
 
drgrant said:
In theory you still might have to worry even if you don't have a
hand crank or a shoestring. The ATF has tried to "bag" certain
people for having malfunctioning rifles- eg, the intent of the
owner was never to have it fire more than one shot, but due to
some mechanical failure, it would do so on occasion.

-Mike
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One gun owners nightmare...

Failing the test
Guns Magazine, July, 2005 by David Codrea

"It's extremely irresponsible and most likely actionable negligence," Charlotte, North Carolina, attorney Monroe Whitesides tells me.

The Board Certified Specialist in Criminal Law is talking about BATFE's treatment of competition shooter John Glover, who had seven firearms seized and was indicted for manufacturing an illegal machinegun. If convicted, Glover was in danger of federal prison.

As part of his investigation, Whitesides accompanied firearms expert Len Savage, of Historic Arms LLC, to the Cabarrus County Sheriff's firing range. There, BATFE Agent Michael Cooney, who wrote the report declaring one of the seized rifles fired "automatically," set out to prove it on videotape.

The problem was, the FN-FAL wouldn't cooperate. Out of 12 taped tests, Cooney achieved a "string fire" of three-round bursts in only two.

What was happening, Savage explains, was "a malfunction. The cause was a worn firing pin retainer, and a broken firing pin spring. The firing pin could fly forward under its own inertia, because the spring that held it back was broken, and impact the primer just by chambering a round."

Whitesides recalls Savage advising him and others present to move back when Cooney continued firing.

"I did warn everyone back after the first light strike," Savage confirms. "It was very dangerous to continue. If it ever ignited the cartridge before the bolt fully locked in position, it would have been a catastrophic failure."
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Not to be deterred, the increasingly defensive Cooney proceeded, oblivious to the danger. His theory, Savage continues, was "that the locking plate in the lower receiver--that was missing metal--allowed the hammer to travel further forward than is normal."

"The truth is, when assembled as a complete firearm, the hammer can never go any further forward than the bolt carrier assembly. It collides with it."

"Len told me," Whitesides reveals, "that the access locking plate had as much to do with firing automatic as the sight on the end of the barrel. Cooney's not a technician, he's an enforcement officer."

Cooney admitted that he had never even disassembled and inspected the rifle, but had written his report based on test-firing the weapon. Savage then disassembled it on camera, displaying the broken parts, as the BATFE agent fell silent, looking increasingly embarrassed.

As he should. He almost destroyed a man's life, and he didn't even know what he was doing.

"The prosecutor dropped all charges when I filed motions that would have shown a Federal Judge the tape and the real reasons for the multiple firings" Whitesides says.

"The video has opened some eyes to the treachery of the enforcement of the laws that make police state activities 'legal,'" Aaron Zelman of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership adds.

Zelman has produced copies of the video, titled BATFE Fails" the Test, to help educate gun owners about a danger we all could face: Own a malfunctioning weapon, go to prison. Glover had to mortgage his house, and BATFE has, at this writing, still not returned his confiscated property.
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http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_7_51/ai_n13785380


The victim in that case is an FAL Files member and posted about the experience...

The rifle in question never doubled on me and I shot it in numerous matches.

The atf got it to double by putting the selector on FA and trying many different types of ammo until they found one with a super soft primer that would double when the hammer followed the bolt home

At the actual test firing that we conducted there were 12 tests with 4 types of ammo and only the Winchester hunting 308 doubled and it did it only twice.

The problem was a worn out firing pin spring.

I never tried to shoot the fal with the selector on FA for the obvious reason of knowing that it could only fire out of battery that to do so would be risking a dangerous outcome.
I also would never shoot expensive hunting ammo $15 a box of 20.

The HTS set (DSA) was not doubling

I work with a Class 2 manf. and I have no reason to shoot a illegal MG we have all the legal ones we could ever need.

The ATF agent that confiscated my FAL's did not do the test he took the rifles to the tech branch in DC where they were "tested"

After many months and $ my lawyer, expert witness and I got to do our test with the ATF and we video taped it and that is when the truth was shown.

A local gun dealer here in NC By the name of Dan D. who for some reason did not like me actually turned the ATF my way by telling them a bunch of lies.

After the many man hours spent on my behalf I think the atf just tried to salvage a conviction of an innocent person to justify all the time spent in their investigation of me.

It is a long story but this sheds light on the jist of it.

I just this week was given back my property except for the one rifle that malfunctoned.

Thanks to dilegent work by my Lawyer.
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Fortunately, Glover had the money and balls to fight back.

Makes me wonder how many gun owners out there that were burned by ATF incompetence and over zealousness simply because
they didn't have the resources available to fight them.
 
LoginName said:
It would be less expensive than you might think (the cost of burning up all that ammo aside [smile]).

With a few simple homemade tools, a single AK can be built for around $250.00 - $270.00 (parts kit, preformed receiver and a few 922r compliance parts).

They can be built for a lot less (under $200.00), if the person has better shop tools, a few jigs and is using unbent receiver flats.




It's only an SBR if the barrel(s) is under 16" or has an over all length less than 26".
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I've been looking into one of the AK versions. I just measured my SAR-1 and it's 26 7/16ths fron the muzzle to the tang on the rear of the receiver where it meets the stock. Where does the receiver legally end ?

For purpose of discussion, is the tang still considered part of the receiver ? Its riveted on.

Could one simply bolt or weld on a block of metal to be over the minimum length ?

I'd have to think there would be a bracket of some sort to hold the two receivers in place. would this bracket count as towards overall length ?

I am not going to get jammed up over what would be just a range toy. [hmmm]
 
MrTwigg said:
I've been looking into one of the AK versions. I just measured my SAR-1 and it's 26 7/16ths fron the muzzle to the tang on the rear of the receiver where it meets the stock. Where does the receiver legally end ?

For purpose of discussion, is the tang still considered part of the receiver ? Its riveted on.

Could one simply bolt or weld on a block of metal to be over the minimum length ?

I'd have to think there would be a bracket of some sort to hold the two receivers in place. would this bracket count as towards overall length ?

I am not going to get jammed up over what would be just a range toy. [hmmm]
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I would define over all length as meaning the entire length of the firearm (AK-47). How the ATF
(or MA AG), defines it is another matter. [wink]

If you want to play it safe, you could permanently attach an AK-74
style muzzle brake instead of lengthening it at the receiver end...

http://www.globaltrades.com/ak_muzzl_1.html

(Website for reference only... AK-74 style brakes are stocked by a number of online vendors).

Besides... adding the muzzle brakes would give the Gatling gun a meaner look. [smile]

ETA... unless you ever plan on restoring the the AK's back to their original configuration, you wouldn't need to permanently attach the muzzle brakes (removing the pistol grip takes away the one allowable "evil feature", so now having a threaded barrel brings you back to the one allowable feature).
 
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Not to nit-pick you guys but what most of you are talking about is NOT a gatling gun. What you guys are talking about is simply two normal guns bolted together with a cam action firing mechanism.

A gatling gun is
an early type of machine gun consisting of a revolving cluster of barrels around a central axis, each barrel being automatically loaded and fired every revolution of the cluster
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So does anybody have any plans for a REAL gatling gun? I've always been curious about them.
 
The problem is you can never trust the BATFE

There was another mod for the 10/22 called the Aikens accelerator that the company had the ATF evaluate and they designated it as a NON-NFA weapon. The company started selling units for about a thousand dollars, until the ATF redesignated it as an illegal machine gun. I thought the design was very clever and the fact they tried to get proper approval (and did), only to have the Feds change their mind, shows they change their mind to suit their needs. A hand crank system seems pretty safe right now, but that could change at any time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P8AbTKvykE
 
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Yes! I do have the Ruger 10/22 kit. I will say, it was a bit of a challenge at first. I bought the whole set up used. I don't think the first owner built it correctly, but after stripping it down and starting from scratch I now have it running perfectly! It does however have a preference for HOT ammo. I feed it a steady diet of CCI Mini Mags.

Now I just need to get one of those push button mag loaders!

[mg][mg][mg][mg][mg][mg][mg][mg]
 
icyclefar said:
[offtopic]

Yes! I do have the Ruger 10/22 kit. I will say, it was a bit of a challenge at first. I bought the whole set up used. I don't think the first owner built it correctly, but after stripping it down and starting from scratch I now have it running perfectly! It does however have a preference for HOT ammo. I feed it a steady diet of CCI Mini Mags.

Now I just need to get one of those push button mag loaders!

[mg][mg][mg][mg][mg][mg][mg][mg]
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What you need is a couple of pre-ban 50+ mags and attach a Dewalt to the crank [devil]
 

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