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Second amendment march (Photos, too. )
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still tired, need more sleep but i have the pics on my pc. now i have to re-size them and post them. hopefully tonight in the pics thread. but after reading this with the media i decided to post the "lack of" media. there was no lack just lack of actually using what they got, although granted i have not had the time to go looking for the content either. these have not been re-sized - sorry i have not had time yet.
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Thanks Hanwei it was great meeting you and your buddy (I never did get his name).
I hate pics of me, but like this one...I wonder if this was where I told the CBC reporter that my goal to keeping my firearms was to take over Canada and seize the Molson plant...![[smile]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/001.gif "Smile [smile]")
it was at the end of the interview and he chuckled... ![[cheers]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/018.gif "Cheers [cheers]")
it was at the end of the interview and he chuckled... 
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I hate pics of me, but like this one...I wonder if this was where I told the CBC reporter that my goal to keeping my firearms was to take over Canada and seize the Molson plant...
![[rofl2]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/035.gif "ROFL2 [rofl2]")
A few Pics to share
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kiver
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Great photos, folks.
Please tell me that this sign didn't belong to anyone from NES.
Not us. He later fixed part of the sign..He made the o into an e but could not take the m out
AbbyOakley and Yelena "waving" at the snipers on the roof....
AbbyOakley and Suzanna Gratia Hupp
AbbyOakley and Dick Heller
Holding her sign out for Obama Motorcade to see
Interviewed by Soledad O'Brien
My Dad, brother and I got there just after 10, hung for a bit and then did a little sight seeing, came back towards the end of the day and then had to head out to make our flight home. It was a good day, glad I could make it, unfortunately I didn't have the chance to meet up with the NES crew. ![[sad]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/004.gif "Sad [sad]")
I am going to post some pics soon..... but first, a few things....
Something was better than nothing. The attendance was low, but let's not forget how it would have looked if everyone said "Well, I'm getting a bad feeling, let's not go." If everyone turtled up, it would have been way lower. IMHO everyone here that decided to go deserves a big round of applause, and I'll even extend that to the people that had wanted to go but life ended up screwing them. I think part of the reason attendance was bad was because it happened on a Monday and the economy is beyond crappy. Right now a lot of gun owning Americans are scrambling around to find work, or are working in crappy jobs where they don't have any vacation time or flexibility, just to get by. Remember that a huge portion of the gun owners that care are responsible citizen middle america sorts of people who won't go on the dole for anything- that certainly has an impact . A lot had changed economically in the US since the time this was first announced and when it happened.
Another possible reason is that I think some gun owners are getting complacent. We've had a fair amount of forward progress in the past decade, and I think that is causing some people to relax. It's great that progress has been made, but it is also important to remember that there are still battles going on everywhere, even ones that don't affect us directly. A dumb law here, a dumb law there, at the state levels. Even if Obama is not going to attempt to ban guns tomorrow, or even if he's politically incapable of doing it, it's important to realize that we have to keep pouring coal on the fire, even if it is only a few shovelsful here and there. We still have to make new gun owners and make the existing ones a hell of a lot more vigilant... otherwise accumulated complacency could come up and bite us in the ass later on when it REALLY matters- It's like a military readiness sort of thing- you still have to keep the tires, oil, and gas fresh on the vehicles otherwise when you need to use them they will falter.
There was also the Ted Nugent issue.... IMHO they would have been better off telling him to go screw up front, but hindsight is 20/20. The problem is that many had gotten all amped up saying "wow, even he's going to show up!" and then cast aspersions on the whole thing when they realized he wasn't going to show, thinking "well, if hes not going, then it must be falling apart" and this ended up being a net tarnishment of the event. In a way it worked out for the batter, anyways, as I doubt anyone will try to bring him in in the future... while he is strong in his beliefs, I don't think that is someone we would really want representing us. His supposed draft-dodging didn't help very much either. (There are still a lot of gun owning vietnam vets that are really pissed at him) I think they would have been better off trying to get some more industry people in on the event, it would have been cool for someone like Ronnie Barret to speak, as well as others, maybe get some more LE community folks there, as well.
There is an unstated value as well in events like this- and that is, that there are at least some Americans that still give a s**t- and I think that kind of cheerleading is somewhat infectious in the sense that it motivates people to do more things related to freedom/RKBA activism. I was pumped- and by the time I got to Ludlow, I was going... even if the bus didn't show up... Thankfully for Kiver's sake that was not an issue.![[grin]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/041.gif "Grin [grin]")
Anyways, I think my point here really is, that having an event like this once in awhile really can motivate people to do more.
I got to shake hands and talk to Dick Heller, what a real patriot. He is very humble and laid back, and I'll never forget what he told me... "If even security guard like me can do this, anyone can." (Not his exact words, but pretty close. ) I gotta give the guy some credit- he was part of fighting this huge machine in probably the most oppressive anti gun locality in the country... and he still did it even though it would have simply been easier to give up. I believe that if even 20% of us, as in "gun owners" thought this way, things would be different.
I also got to talk to Philip Van Cleeve, from VCDL. IMHO VCDL is an example of what every grass-roots state org should be. Part of what made him and VCDL successful in much of what they sought to do was that they were relentless. I remember watching some of the stuff from years ago, and he was at every little tin pot dictator run town meeting, to legislative hearings, etc, etc, etc... It's this kind of tenacity that moves things forward, even if it's only a little bit at a time.
One thing that REALLY pissed me off was that the NRA couldn't even send a lackey up to speak, unless I somehow or another missed that for the short time I was away from the rally getting lunch. If they are wondering why many of us are distrustful of them, this is why. There is no "Do something, bring us ideas, we have your back!" coming from there. All I saw as that they had a booth to collect memberships... whee. You would think the largest RKBA machine in the country could do a little more than that- or at least tell people about all the things their membership fees and the like are going to. If I'm all washed up on this and they DID have someone speak, I'll gladly eat shoe leather.
I can partially agree with Derek's viewpoint in the other thread that on the whole, we should be way past protesting- but this at least felt way better than doing nothing. If they ever run it again, I'll definitely be going. I had a blast, and I'm sure others did, too. IMHO using the "process" in place to the nth degree is still important... at a minimum it keeps people aware, and it keeps those in power on alert that "yes, we haven't forgotten your corruption, and we'll let everyone know about it too, as long as we are alive. "
-Mike
Something was better than nothing. The attendance was low, but let's not forget how it would have looked if everyone said "Well, I'm getting a bad feeling, let's not go." If everyone turtled up, it would have been way lower. IMHO everyone here that decided to go deserves a big round of applause, and I'll even extend that to the people that had wanted to go but life ended up screwing them. I think part of the reason attendance was bad was because it happened on a Monday and the economy is beyond crappy. Right now a lot of gun owning Americans are scrambling around to find work, or are working in crappy jobs where they don't have any vacation time or flexibility, just to get by. Remember that a huge portion of the gun owners that care are responsible citizen middle america sorts of people who won't go on the dole for anything- that certainly has an impact . A lot had changed economically in the US since the time this was first announced and when it happened.
Another possible reason is that I think some gun owners are getting complacent. We've had a fair amount of forward progress in the past decade, and I think that is causing some people to relax. It's great that progress has been made, but it is also important to remember that there are still battles going on everywhere, even ones that don't affect us directly. A dumb law here, a dumb law there, at the state levels. Even if Obama is not going to attempt to ban guns tomorrow, or even if he's politically incapable of doing it, it's important to realize that we have to keep pouring coal on the fire, even if it is only a few shovelsful here and there. We still have to make new gun owners and make the existing ones a hell of a lot more vigilant... otherwise accumulated complacency could come up and bite us in the ass later on when it REALLY matters- It's like a military readiness sort of thing- you still have to keep the tires, oil, and gas fresh on the vehicles otherwise when you need to use them they will falter.
There was also the Ted Nugent issue.... IMHO they would have been better off telling him to go screw up front, but hindsight is 20/20. The problem is that many had gotten all amped up saying "wow, even he's going to show up!" and then cast aspersions on the whole thing when they realized he wasn't going to show, thinking "well, if hes not going, then it must be falling apart" and this ended up being a net tarnishment of the event. In a way it worked out for the batter, anyways, as I doubt anyone will try to bring him in in the future... while he is strong in his beliefs, I don't think that is someone we would really want representing us. His supposed draft-dodging didn't help very much either. (There are still a lot of gun owning vietnam vets that are really pissed at him) I think they would have been better off trying to get some more industry people in on the event, it would have been cool for someone like Ronnie Barret to speak, as well as others, maybe get some more LE community folks there, as well.
There is an unstated value as well in events like this- and that is, that there are at least some Americans that still give a s**t- and I think that kind of cheerleading is somewhat infectious in the sense that it motivates people to do more things related to freedom/RKBA activism. I was pumped- and by the time I got to Ludlow, I was going... even if the bus didn't show up... Thankfully for Kiver's sake that was not an issue.
Anyways, I think my point here really is, that having an event like this once in awhile really can motivate people to do more. I got to shake hands and talk to Dick Heller, what a real patriot. He is very humble and laid back, and I'll never forget what he told me... "If even security guard like me can do this, anyone can." (Not his exact words, but pretty close. ) I gotta give the guy some credit- he was part of fighting this huge machine in probably the most oppressive anti gun locality in the country... and he still did it even though it would have simply been easier to give up. I believe that if even 20% of us, as in "gun owners" thought this way, things would be different.
I also got to talk to Philip Van Cleeve, from VCDL. IMHO VCDL is an example of what every grass-roots state org should be. Part of what made him and VCDL successful in much of what they sought to do was that they were relentless. I remember watching some of the stuff from years ago, and he was at every little tin pot dictator run town meeting, to legislative hearings, etc, etc, etc... It's this kind of tenacity that moves things forward, even if it's only a little bit at a time.
One thing that REALLY pissed me off was that the NRA couldn't even send a lackey up to speak, unless I somehow or another missed that for the short time I was away from the rally getting lunch. If they are wondering why many of us are distrustful of them, this is why. There is no "Do something, bring us ideas, we have your back!" coming from there. All I saw as that they had a booth to collect memberships... whee. You would think the largest RKBA machine in the country could do a little more than that- or at least tell people about all the things their membership fees and the like are going to. If I'm all washed up on this and they DID have someone speak, I'll gladly eat shoe leather.
I can partially agree with Derek's viewpoint in the other thread that on the whole, we should be way past protesting- but this at least felt way better than doing nothing. If they ever run it again, I'll definitely be going. I had a blast, and I'm sure others did, too. IMHO using the "process" in place to the nth degree is still important... at a minimum it keeps people aware, and it keeps those in power on alert that "yes, we haven't forgotten your corruption, and we'll let everyone know about it too, as long as we are alive. "
-Mike
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yanici
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Great post, Mike. You hit a lot of good points. If there were more States with oppressive gun laws the attendance would have been better. There are a lot of satisfied gun owners out there that are now complacent.
The event was on the east coast and a long way for a lot of people to travel. As you said, the economy plays a part and the cost to travel can be insurmountable to many.
Too bad about the NRA. They should be ashamed.
The event was on the east coast and a long way for a lot of people to travel. As you said, the economy plays a part and the cost to travel can be insurmountable to many.
Too bad about the NRA. They should be ashamed.
Titan
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Mike,
Terrific post. I especially agree with your outrage toward the NRA. Their lack of involvement is inexcusable.
Ted Nugent exposed himself for what he is, but the NRA was shameful.
The message the NRA sends in staying away is ....'We're not taking a chance getting involved with a bunch of gun nuts who might make us look bad.'
DISGRACEFUL!
Terrific post. I especially agree with your outrage toward the NRA. Their lack of involvement is inexcusable.
Ted Nugent exposed himself for what he is, but the NRA was shameful.
The message the NRA sends in staying away is ....'We're not taking a chance getting involved with a bunch of gun nuts who might make us look bad.'
DISGRACEFUL!
The crowd was not impressive at all.
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Absolute BLAST! It was great to meet some new friends and put names to faces finally.
Once I square away my gear, clean the rifles from the Appleseed form the 2 days before the march, I will post in some more detail and post pictures.
Thank you to all who came with us, and all those that supported us how ever you may have.
Ed
Once I square away my gear, clean the rifles from the Appleseed form the 2 days before the march, I will post in some more detail and post pictures.
Thank you to all who came with us, and all those that supported us how ever you may have.
Ed
It was a great experience, and I want to thank all people who went there, especially Kiver for organizing a bus trip.
Mike had already posted some explanation for low attendance, but I can think of one more reason. The Tea Party meetings were held in many cities and states just several days ago, and it was also held on a weekday. So, many people simple had to choose one of two events, because they could not take two days off in a row. Still, many of us decided to go, and we had some great speakers. Although there were not a lot of us, we still have said everyone:
-We are here. We have our Constitutional rights. We are ready to fight for them!
So, thanks to everybody, and hope to see you at the next March!
Mike had already posted some explanation for low attendance, but I can think of one more reason. The Tea Party meetings were held in many cities and states just several days ago, and it was also held on a weekday. So, many people simple had to choose one of two events, because they could not take two days off in a row. Still, many of us decided to go, and we had some great speakers. Although there were not a lot of us, we still have said everyone:
-We are here. We have our Constitutional rights. We are ready to fight for them!
So, thanks to everybody, and hope to see you at the next March!
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hey guys and gals! i had an amazing at the march.. per i wrotepl were taking pics of me with my sign everywhere i turned. on one side it said"second amendment:the one right that protects all others" then on the other i wrote "they can have my guns when they pry them from my cold dead hands"!!!!!! i had such a great time and thanx to everyone who made me feel close at home! that was my first time other than disney world when i was six, that i have been so far away from home and it worked out much better than i thought! oh and kiver looked like he was gonna pass out when the bus was taking forever to get there! lol!!
know to those of you who went I got a kick out of the pink pistol guy/girl thing person lol! victim disarment VD kills!!!!!! lol lol lol lol lol LMBO(aka lmao)!! I gotama a really nice picture with both Hupp and Heller! had an interview with CNN! had such an amazing ounce in a life time adventure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I must admit my favorite part was when LIBTARD Obama was driving by and i waved my sign in his face!! i got a kick out of the fact that the body guards were staring at me! got some cool picks of the snipers on the roof i was waving at them for a while with Yelena and we laughed... i got the camera and got realy clear pics of them.. at one point the saw me a one of them pointed at me and staired at me through the binoculars!!!! lol It was sooo much fun... OH!!! and btw i got a great picture of the gun he was carrying... from what i could tell it was either a Glock or a Sig... LOL cool pics
I will be posting more pics with my daddy soon!!!!! Thanx to all' Yall for the fun
know to those of you who went I got a kick out of the pink pistol guy/girl thing person lol! victim disarment VD kills!!!!!! lol lol lol lol lol LMBO(aka lmao)!! I gotama a really nice picture with both Hupp and Heller! had an interview with CNN! had such an amazing ounce in a life time adventure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I must admit my favorite part was when LIBTARD Obama was driving by and i waved my sign in his face!! i got a kick out of the fact that the body guards were staring at me! got some cool picks of the snipers on the roof i was waving at them for a while with Yelena and we laughed... i got the camera and got realy clear pics of them.. at one point the saw me a one of them pointed at me and staired at me through the binoculars!!!! lol It was sooo much fun... OH!!! and btw i got a great picture of the gun he was carrying... from what i could tell it was either a Glock or a Sig... LOL cool pics
I will be posting more pics with my daddy soon!!!!! Thanx to all' Yall for the fun
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Radical Right Wing Extremists Descend On Washington
Here are some images of leaders of an ultra right wing domestic terrorist organization that your government is keeping under surveillance. Both President Obamanation and former President "Slick Willy" Clinton have recently warned Americans to "ignore their vitriolic rantings which are obviously designed to encourage violent anti-government attacks by their simple minded conservative followers". Their vicious anti-government hate speech has prompted the department of homeland security to place snipers on rooftops whenever they are seen congregating.
Here one of the group's top terrorism commandos prepares to lead a group of agitated followers in a mock attack against the Washington monument.
Here a couple of newly inducted members of this thuggish group practice hurling vicious invectives at each other.
The supreme commander of the domestic terrorist organization is particularly violent as he is known to be often under the influence of an extremely potent, mind-altering, soon-to-be-controlled, substance which he ingests by inhalation.
Fortunately the quickly escalating violence of this demonstration was nipped in the bud by the appearance of government snipers on a rooftop overlooking the event.
Here are some images of leaders of an ultra right wing domestic terrorist organization that your government is keeping under surveillance. Both President Obamanation and former President "Slick Willy" Clinton have recently warned Americans to "ignore their vitriolic rantings which are obviously designed to encourage violent anti-government attacks by their simple minded conservative followers". Their vicious anti-government hate speech has prompted the department of homeland security to place snipers on rooftops whenever they are seen congregating.
Here one of the group's top terrorism commandos prepares to lead a group of agitated followers in a mock attack against the Washington monument.
Here a couple of newly inducted members of this thuggish group practice hurling vicious invectives at each other.
The supreme commander of the domestic terrorist organization is particularly violent as he is known to be often under the influence of an extremely potent, mind-altering, soon-to-be-controlled, substance which he ingests by inhalation.
Fortunately the quickly escalating violence of this demonstration was nipped in the bud by the appearance of government snipers on a rooftop overlooking the event.
