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Sig P320 in the news again?
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TrackDayRdr
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Is this still an issue with the aluminum AXG frames?
Because the FCU is steel, I’m guessing the flex issue is just how the components in the slide move when there is flex between the slide and frame. Rather than flex in the frame itself. There is some rotational slop with the striker. I doubt there have been enough aluminum or steel frame P320s in circulation to determine if they’re any safer.
whatluck
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What happens to already poorly-toleranced mating surfaces when a frame flexes? The relative location of the components can change in a way not originally intended.
I would imagine an aluminum frame and aftermarket trigger/hammer/sear COULD fix this.
I still wouldn't use one for SD. Target only. And I own 100 handguns that I like better for that job.
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whatluck
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Sig Sauer ordered to pay $11 million to Philadelphia man wounded by holstered pistol
A Philadelphia jury has awarded $11 million to a man whose holstered Sig Sauer pistol went off while he was going down the stairs, causing a serious leg injury.
apnews.com
This clickbait-farming engagement-hacking grifter got $11M from Sig for his 'malfunction'
The comments in their Instagram post are gold. Gotta give them credit for at least not deleting comments.
View: https://www.instagram.com/p/DG6RkWCpkdw/
Any idiot with a pulse can use the internet my friends.
Must be the Mandela effect that I remember people complaining about Glocks 20+ years ago
The gun community is so good at s****** on its own, who even needs antis...Must be the Mandela effect that I remember people complaining about Glocks 20+ years ago
How many of those Glock pictures were with hot reloads?
But yes, Glock has had issues in the past. But they acknowledged them and foxed them. They didn’t gaslight their customers into thigh shots.
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Do any of the explanations explain how the striker block safety also fails? I know that like all modern pistols, the SIG 320 has a firing pin block that only moves out of the way if the trigger is pressed. So even if the striker slips off the sear, it should still be blocked from striking the primer unless the trigger is pulled.
From following this issue I have gathered a couple of other details. The SIG 320 has an unusual design to the striker block safety that uses a lever instead of a button. So there could be some defect in this design. However, lots of serious engineers have looked at the design, and I am not aware that any issue has been identified. If there was an obvious defect, it would have gotten lots of publicity by now.
I should also admit that I have not spent a ton of time researching this issue myself, because I just don't like the 320. To me, the SIG 320 just feels poor in the hand, and its performance is eclipsed by a number of other mid-tier guns. So I am only following this issue out of interest in the legal, safety, and engineering issues.
With that said, I had assumed that a very clear explanation of the engineering issue would have come out long before now. And so far, I have still not seen an explanation of how all the safeties fail at the same time. Does frame flex really explain this?
From following this issue I have gathered a couple of other details. The SIG 320 has an unusual design to the striker block safety that uses a lever instead of a button. So there could be some defect in this design. However, lots of serious engineers have looked at the design, and I am not aware that any issue has been identified. If there was an obvious defect, it would have gotten lots of publicity by now.
I should also admit that I have not spent a ton of time researching this issue myself, because I just don't like the 320. To me, the SIG 320 just feels poor in the hand, and its performance is eclipsed by a number of other mid-tier guns. So I am only following this issue out of interest in the legal, safety, and engineering issues.
With that said, I had assumed that a very clear explanation of the engineering issue would have come out long before now. And so far, I have still not seen an explanation of how all the safeties fail at the same time. Does frame flex really explain this?
Lokdog
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Zoom in on that video and watch the trigger when the gun hits. It looks like inertia is actually pulling the trigger!? How freaking light is that trigger pull!?
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Just received this letter from Grayguns.
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Retraction demand based on defamation grounds:
www.prnewswire.com
Bagnell Law Firm Demands Retraction from Sig Sauer Over Defamatory P320 Remarks
/PRNewswire/ -- The Bagnell firm is today demanding that Sig Sauer, Inc. issue a public retraction of defamatory comments regarding victims of the P320 pistol....
www.prnewswire.com
VTski4x4
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What was Sig expecting to happen? They were found liable for millions in damages, ignored it, and then lied about it. It's long past due for Sig to retire the P320.Retraction demand based on defamation grounds:
Bagnell Law Firm Demands Retraction from Sig Sauer Over Defamatory P320 Remarks
/PRNewswire/ -- The Bagnell firm is today demanding that Sig Sauer, Inc. issue a public retraction of defamatory comments regarding victims of the P320 pistol....
Its always been insane ever since Ron Cohen got in there.
Just received this letter from Grayguns.
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March 10, 2025 - Reedsport, OR
Our Responsibility to You
Every firearm that leaves our shop is one we stand behind—not just in craftsmanship, but in purpose. Lately, we’ve seen renewed discussion surrounding the SIG Sauer P320 platform, and we understand why. When questions arise about a defensive or competitive firearm, the people who rely on it deserve answers—not accusations and dismissals.
At Grayguns, we operate with the full understanding that the quality of our work could be the difference between a routine day and a tragedy—between a casual goodbye in the morning and a family left waiting for someone who never comes home.
It could be the difference between a child growing up with bedtime stories from their parent or only memories. The difference between a police officer finishing their shift and walking through their front door, or a department notifying a family that their loved one is gone. The difference between a protector standing strong in the face of danger or being let down by their equipment in the moment they need it most. The difference between a fun day at the range filled with laughter and competition, or a moment no one ever forgets for all the wrong reasons.
What we do makes a difference. We do not take this responsibility lightly.
Every cut we make, every part we produce, every firearm we work on carries the weight of real lives, real families, and real people who trust us to get it right. That is what drives us. That is why we do what we do—not just to make firearms better, but to make sure that no matter the context, the people who rely on them make it home.
What We’ve Found, and What We’re Still Testing
At Grayguns, we don’t take anything for granted. We test, we push, and we go beyond normal use conditions to find out what a firearm is truly capable of. Over the years, in controlled environments, we have deliberately attempted to compromise the mechanical safeties of the P320, looking for ways an unintended discharge could occur. Despite those efforts, we have never been able to induce a discharge without the trigger being actuated. That does not mean people are wrong to be asking questions.
The fact that we have not been able to make it happen does not change the reality that people believe it’s happening. We understand that too, and because of that, we are going to continue to explore every scenario, no matter how implausible it may seem. If there is a way for a failure to occur, we want to find it, understand it, and make sure the people who depend on this firearm have the information they need.
Please know that at this moment, every single person at Grayguns still has faith that a SIG P320 cannot fire without the trigger being acted on by something. That confidence is built on years of testing, evaluation, and our own firsthand experience with the platform.
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No matter how small the job, every firearm that enters our shop undergoes an exhaustive mechanical inspection before it makes it back into a customer’s hands. We’ve always done this, but moving forward, we will be making that process more visible.
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This isn’t a response to pressure. It’s a commitment to what we already believe: that peace of mind isn’t something you should have to ask for—it should be built into the work we do.
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To every law enforcement officer, military professional, and armed citizen who carries a firearm in defense of others: we see you, we respect you, and we recognize the weight of responsibility you bear. Thank you.
And to everyone who has placed their trust in us, no matter which group you belong to. Just know that we do not take you, or your trust, for granted.
With gratitude and humility,
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I like Bruce but people should consider he is basically forced to take this position otherwise it exposes him to massive liability. If he had no skin in the game I would expect an entirely different position.
It doesn't actually have to be that light... inertia is a hell of a thing. Glock has that tit on the trigger because of this phenomenon. Honestly with regards to inertia issues I think Sig has actually fixed that but they're still these weird Phantom NDs that aren't that explainable. It's not like sig is getting a case, then ends up getting an expert witness to easily debunk the claim. As bubbles would say. "Something's f***y".
dcmdon
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I almost don't see the point in the 320 anymore. With the 365 Fuse, they now have a "full sized" 365.
The 365 doesn't seem to suffer from the phantom discharge problems of the 320 and the design allows for a lower bore axis.
The 365 doesn't seem to suffer from the phantom discharge problems of the 320 and the design allows for a lower bore axis.
dcmdon
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Yup. What most people[le don't understand about the Glock clit is that it's got nothing to do with protecting against something pulling the trigger from the edge.
its all about drop safety. Unless the clit is pushed backwards, the trigger can't move. What most people don't understand is that there is more mass above the pivot point of the Glock clit. so. the harder the gun hits on its back the more the clit is pressed FORWARD by inertia. Essentially making it impossible for the trigger to move to the rear in a drop.
This is the same for all the guns that have copied this design.
