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Yeah, forget the Cite, sure someone can find it, but because it can deploy the blade one handed by a feature or such... (paraphrasing)
ETA Found this while searching...
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Mass Knife Law
Is it true that you can only carry a 2.5" blade in MA? I looked at MGL's and then measured the folding knife my son has and it's 3" and he carries it everywhere. I don't want him to get in trouble but it seems silly to not let him carry it. He goes to private school and he can actually carry...www.northeastshooters.com
I don't think anything with flipper or thumb stud was ever considered to be illegal under that law (though apparently some ADAs tried to make that argument from time to time). But knives with the Emerson Wave are different because the Wave allowed them to open on the draw. Under my reading, the Emerson Wave was illegal to carry under that law. Whether this decision changes that for knives like the Emerson Wave isn't clear to me.So that means anything with a flipper or thumb stud?
I guess the SJC doesn't want to get Caetano'd again.dafuq? This is the MA SJC? When did they get kidnapped and replaced by aliens?
What I find interesting about Chapter 269 SECTION 10 is the following language (bolding is mine)I don't think anything with flipper or thumb stud was ever considered to be illegal under that law (though apparently some ADAs tried to make that argument from time to time). But knives with the Emerson Wave a different because the Wave allowed them to open on the draw. Under my reading, the Emerson Wave was illegal to carry under that law. Whether this decision changes that for knives like the Emerson Wave isn't clear to me.
I don't think anything with flipper or thumb stud was ever considered to be illegal under that law (though apparently some ADAs tried to make that argument from time to time). But knives with the Emerson Wave a different because the Wave allowed them to open on the draw. Under my reading, the Emerson Wave was illegal to carry under that law. Whether this decision changes that for knives like the Emerson Wave isn't clear to me.
I think the legislature didnt want carry of any of the weapons in (b) to be legal if you had a LTC.What I find interesting about Chapter 269 SECTION 10 is the following language (bolding is mine)
"No person having in effect a license to carry firearms for any purpose, issued under section one hundred and thirty-one or section one hundred and thirty-one F of chapter one hundred and forty shall be deemed to be in violation of this section."
So anyone with a LTC is exempt from this entire section. In practice they seem to have tried to limit this to (a) where this verbage exists. But SECTION means this entire section, not just subsection (a). Two paragraphs later it says
"The provisions of this subsection shall not affect the licensing requirements of section one hundred and twenty-nine C of chapter one hundred and forty which require every person not otherwise duly licensed or exempted to have been issued a firearms identification card in order to possess a firearm, rifle or shotgun in his residence or place of business."
This clearly only impacts subsection (a).
Really curious how this happens that they try and limit the LTC exemption to just (a)...
(b) Whoever, except as provided by law, carries on his person, or carries on his person or under his control in a vehicle, any stiletto, dagger or a device or case which enables a knife with a locking blade to be drawn at a locked position, any ballistic knife, or any knife with a detachable blade capable of being propelled by any mechanism, dirk knife, any knife having a double-edged blade, or a switch knife, or any knife having an automatic spring release device by which the blade is released from the handle, having a blade of over one and one-half inches, or a slung shot, blowgun, blackjack, metallic knuckles or knuckles of any substance which could be put to the same use with the same or similar effect as metallic knuckles, nunchaku, zoobow, also known as klackers or kung fu sticks, or any similar weapon consisting of two sticks of wood, plastic or metal connected at one end by a length of rope, chain, wire or leather, a shuriken or any similar pointed starlike object intended to injure a person when thrown, or any armband, made with leather which has metallic spikes, points or studs or any similar device made from any other substance or a cestus or similar material weighted with metal or other substance and worn on the hand, or a manrikigusari or similar length of chain having weighted ends; or whoever, when arrested upon a warrant for an alleged crime, or when arrested while committing a breach or disturbance of the public peace, is armed with or has on his person, or has on his person or under his control in a vehicle, a billy or other dangerous weapon other than those herein mentioned and those mentioned in paragraph (a), shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than two and one-half years nor more than five years in the state prison, or for not less than six months nor more than two and one-half years in a jail or house of correction, except that, if the court finds that the defendant has not been previously convicted of a felony, he may be punished by a fine of not more than fifty dollars or by imprisonment for not more than two and one-half years in a jail or house of correction.
I understand their intent. The problem is that our legislators likely cannot pass a 3rd grade english test. As written the language that says this section does not apply to LTC holders would cover all of 269 10, not just 269 10 (a). Seems straight forward. Had they said subsection it would have done what they meant.I think the legislature didnt want carry of any of the weapons in (b) to be legal if you had a LTC.
I believe all of this stuff is legal to have in ones home.
What the hell is the difference,a knife is a knife whether it opens slow, or fast.
It can still do the same damage.
Are you mixing manual button locks in with automatics? If you think manual button locks were illegal, then wouldn't you also think Axis locks, Compression locks, and Sharklocks were effectively the same?This is how I thought of it all as well.
Flipper/stud good... Wave/button/gravity bad...
A lot of hyperventilating/dsp types believed that any assisted knife in mass was banned.I didn't think the wave knives were banned
It doesn't help that the leaders of the MA legislature rush laws through a vote without allowing the legislators time to actually read them. More eyes on the text would likely catch some of the technical mistakes.The legislature really is terrible at writing laws.
This language:A lot of hyperventilating/dsp types believed that any assisted knife in mass was banned.
or a device or case which enables a knife with a locking blade to be drawn at a locked position
I don't think anything with flipper or thumb stud was ever considered to be illegal under that law (though apparently some ADAs tried to make that argument from time to time). But knives with the Emerson Wave a different because the Wave allowed them to open on the draw. Under my reading, the Emerson Wave was illegal to carry under that law. Whether this decision changes that for knives like the Emerson Wave isn't clear to me.
I'm guessing it means "the act of pulling the knife from a pocket can deploy it via a hook or something" Most people I know ignored it or didn't care regardless.This language:
was what I read as making the Wave illegal. The Wave does allow a knife with a locking blade (e.g., Spyderco Delica) to be drawn at a locked position.
I used the Wave as designed on my Delica.I'm guessing it means "the act of pulling the knife from a pocket can deploy it via a hook or something" Most people I know ignored it or didn't care regardless.strictly speaking there's little difference between even a wave or anything else that could be rapidly deployed. Like i have a ZT Hinderer that has no spring in it at all that deploys just as rapidly as any of that stuff. It was all just gladys kravitz speak to try to ban knives they didn't like.
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A lot of hyperventilating/dsp types believed that any assisted knife in mass was banned.
Exactly. That's huge. I assumed they would write a decision that twists Heller/Bruen into knots, pretending to apply it but actually ignoring it....this is actually pretty huge news.
Whether or not you like switchies, the SJC applying Heller is a very big deal.
I meant an Auto with a button release...Are you mixing manual button locks in with automatics? If you think manual button locks were illegal, then wouldn't you also think Axis locks, Compression locks, and Sharklocks were effectively the same?
You would puke if I told you what I paid for some knivesBTW, I am floored by how much quality knives cost nowadays. 2-300 bucks a knife is budget handgun territory.