HARRYM
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Again, not to be a broken record but many at the State House were disappointed Crooks failed.
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Ignoring her notice.....was never a gamble, no one was charged and non pants shitters just bought what was sold from non pantshitter dealers.
Ignoring this one that's gone thru the legislation.....not so much.
Thats as far as I go with thinking this one out.
his opinion on that was always same - "YET".
i also do not care much of the rationale there, i get `em in the safe now not for the purpose of reselling, ever. and still happy the timing was right to complete all the builds, as for the next step they gonna find a way to block all the uppers and slides from being allowed to be shipped down here as well.
lol I just read guidas farcebook posts on the post 9/94 guns
"those guns are AWs because the legislature says so and is saying that they were always AWs"
So apparently he thinks that the state is bloviating that, THIRTY years worth of public sales of AWB compliant guns in mass... that "all those guns were illegal, this whole
time. " Which is laughable.![[rofl]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/013.gif "ROFL [rofl]")
Especially considering not a single person was ever incarcerated or even successfully charged for violating that
law, nor were dozens of dealers ever prosecuted for selling them, either. (theres another part of MGL that made selling an AWB violating gun to an unwashed
person a felony. )
That takes a serious amount of glue sniffing to buy into that mindset.
"those guns are AWs because the legislature says so and is saying that they were always AWs"
So apparently he thinks that the state is bloviating that, THIRTY years worth of public sales of AWB compliant guns in mass... that "all those guns were illegal, this whole
time. " Which is laughable.
Especially considering not a single person was ever incarcerated or even successfully charged for violating that law, nor were dozens of dealers ever prosecuted for selling them, either. (theres another part of MGL that made selling an AWB violating gun to an unwashed
person a felony. )
That takes a serious amount of glue sniffing to buy into that mindset.
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Jon Green will have to spend 6 months figuring this out before he can give a presentation on it.......Here's an idea (for little/no cost): Could GOAL get some friendly pro-2A Republican MA legislators to help explain to us some of the weirder parts of the new law?
Especially the ones directly involved. I'd sure appreciate hearing their thoughts.
Most Republican Reps.....will have no fxcking clue. They voted against it, at least in my neighborhood, don't expect them to understand it.
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lol I just read guidas farcebook posts on the post 9/94 guns
"those guns are AWs because the legislature says so and is saying that they were always AWs"
So apparently he thinks that the state is bloviating that, THIRTY years worth of public sales of AWB compliant guns in mass... that "all those guns were illegal, this whole
time. " Which is laughable.
law, nor were dozens of dealers ever prosecuted for selling them, either. (theres another part of MGL that made selling an AWB violating gun to an unwashed
person a felony. )
That takes a serious amount of glue sniffing to buy into that mindset.
Drumming up business for chickenshits?
EJFudd
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The funniest thing with Guida's thinking is that he goes back to the 1994 Federal law to make his point about "copy or duplicate" when no one else on earth interpreted it the way Maura decided to re-interpret it.
lol I just read guidas farcebook posts on the post 9/94 guns
"those guns are AWs because the legislature says so and is saying that they were always AWs"
So apparently he thinks that the state is bloviating that, THIRTY years worth of public sales of AWB compliant guns in mass... that "all those guns were illegal, this whole
time. " Which is laughable.
law, nor were dozens of dealers ever prosecuted for selling them, either. (theres another part of MGL that made selling an AWB violating gun to an unwashed
person a felony. )
That takes a serious amount of glue sniffing to buy into that mindset.
I lost all respect for GUIDA when I heard some of the sh*t he pulled with some FFLs (don't ask, I will not post details).
I would only pay GUIDA if my goal was to either end in jail or with a plea agreement. Seems to be the best he can do.
That is my opinion until someone can provide me with good reasons to change it.
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Maybe but does it matter? Either way is an edge case where theyd have to do some research to determine the gun in quesiton is old enough, etc. blah blah.
A bigger concern in this bill is this whole new registration portal thing, and it seems to indicate its compulsory.
If registration is compulsory, and your shits not in that database, thats a "free bingo square" kind of conviction for them.
Of course theres the caveat that... nobody will have to put anything in it until its done. And it wouldnt shock me if that takes years.
The funniest thing with Guida's thinking is that he goes back to the 1994 Federal law to make his point about "copy or duplicate" when no one else on earth interpreted it the way Maura decided to interpret it.
The federal government did not interpret it that way, either.
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His mindset is that if you don't buy one you won't get into trouble...which is the crux of the MA pantshitter.lol I just read guidas farcebook posts on the post 9/94 guns
"those guns are AWs because the legislature says so and is saying that they were always AWs"
So apparently he thinks that the state is bloviating that, THIRTY years worth of public sales of AWB compliant guns in mass... that "all those guns were illegal, this whole
time. " Which is laughable.
law, nor were dozens of dealers ever prosecuted for selling them, either. (theres another part of MGL that made selling an AWB violating gun to an unwashed
person a felony. )
That takes a serious amount of glue sniffing to buy into that mindset.
EJFudd
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It really is mind-boggling. Now you can see why I say to take Guida with a grain of salt. His opinions are not always practical nor rational.lol I just read guidas farcebook posts on the post 9/94 guns
"those guns are AWs because the legislature says so and is saying that they were always AWs"
So apparently he thinks that the state is bloviating that, THIRTY years worth of public sales of AWB compliant guns in mass... that "all those guns were illegal, this whole
time. " Which is laughable.
law, nor were dozens of dealers ever prosecuted for selling them, either. (theres another part of MGL that made selling an AWB violating gun to an unwashed
person a felony. )
That takes a serious amount of glue sniffing to buy into that mindset.
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If your "self registering" on a website, expecting that to stand up in court might be a problem a la our wonderful FA-10 system as it stands.
Me....I have a hard time reading serial numbers sometimes and some people are dyslexic.
And now....all my serial numbers just went poof into thin air because they are no longer owned in state. Stupid.
If Democrats get full control of the House, Senate, and WH, kiss any scary weapons accessories and standard capacity bye-bye nationally! This is exactly what they want and are trying to do already to "save lives," but they don't have the votes. They could potentially write law as they see fit on a federal level.
No doubt Americans would NOT let that happen.
scott-o
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Whats the grandperson status for all of the None / None 's transacted/registered pre 2016, and where their parts ended up. Whats the process/timeline of serializing those.
That was the claim made in the Healy notice and he’s taking it at face value (I think the logic being that post fed 94 sunset MA now owned the language and could reinterpret under Chevron)lol I just read guidas farcebook posts on the post 9/94 guns
"those guns are AWs because the legislature says so and is saying that they were always AWs"
So apparently he thinks that the state is bloviating that, THIRTY years worth of public sales of AWB compliant guns in mass... that "all those guns were illegal, this whole
time. " Which is laughable.
law, nor were dozens of dealers ever prosecuted for selling them, either. (theres another part of MGL that made selling an AWB violating gun to an unwashed
person a felony. )
That takes a serious amount of glue sniffing to buy into that mindset.
The claim made was that everyone misunderstood the ‘94 ban and all enumerated compliance guns are AW copies.
Part of the problem with that is that having the MA AWB be a direct pointer to the feb ban at a point frozen in time (AW…shall have the same meaning as Fed ‘94) means you also inherit how that language was litigated/regulated at the fed level and that link would not be severed with Fed sunset.
HARRYM
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Harris is an advocate of stacking the courts.
Amputee Marksman
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Let's assume Healy was right and all the stuff before 7/20/16 was illegal. She only said she would not prosecute however that still does not change the fact that is was illegal. If it was illegal before 7/20/16 it is still illegal hence everything after '94 was/is illegal and banned. The simple fact of non-prosecution does not change the status of legal/illegal.
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I realize nobody knows what these laws really mean, but I've read through this whole thing and I can't even even figure out a best-guess for some of this stuff. Can someone pretend I'm a toddler and spoon-feed me on the 8-1 status of a few things?
-Looks like pre-1994 >10rd mags are legal to own but not privately sell or carry?
-What's the private sale status of pre-1994 evil-feature rifles?
-Post-1994 pre-2016 modified rifles are now...what?
-Preban rifles have to be in their original configuration? (ie: can't add a new folding stock to a gun from the '70s?)
-What kind of limbo are off-roaster handguns in? Can still privately sell and carry them? Yes/no?
-Looks like pre-1994 >10rd mags are legal to own but not privately sell or carry?
-What's the private sale status of pre-1994 evil-feature rifles?
-Post-1994 pre-2016 modified rifles are now...what?
-Preban rifles have to be in their original configuration? (ie: can't add a new folding stock to a gun from the '70s?)
-What kind of limbo are off-roaster handguns in? Can still privately sell and carry them? Yes/no?
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Exactly. So our attempts to neuter our personal property didn’t change the legality so going forward why do it at all?
Absolutely correct. Stack SCOUTS it's game over for us all. Not just MA.
dunno why.
all demands from the ruling power to 'register' anything at this point looks just too much as a trap set to invoke some sort of creative punitive measures later on.
not much one can do about them pulling existing databases and making them into an official 'registry', but to participate in it willingly would be extremely naive and dangerous.
Article 1 section 10 is very clear about this, the state has no authority to punish people retroactively, even if they think that this whole time those guns were illegal in this state, which is completely untrue. If they were really illegal, all the dealers would never have been able to transfer/sell "assault style" firearms to licensed citizens in the state all the way back to '94.
VTski4x4
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Might as well end the American experiment and go our separate ways. Save a lot of time, blood, sweat, and money. It's blatantly obvious that there are two Americas and they are not compatible with each other.
HARRYM
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The SCOTUS would beg to differ.
I have said this so many times that some may be sick of hearing it and that being the Left lost its collective minds over Trump because he effed up their plans. They had everything on their side, country swinging wildly Left, RNC becoming RINOS, Gun Owners voting for Democrats, total control of the schools and the media. Along comes this Trump guy who knocks of the Queen Hillary, adds 3 justices to SCOTUS and rallies the remnants of the Tea Party and Reagans Populism and MAGA explodes taking over the majority of the Republican Party.
They hate Trump for sure, but they hate what he has done, his ability to rally the wounded Americans and his ability to lead. For this reason they will settle for nothing less than destroying him.
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But, yet, they allowed sales to continue knowing they were "illegal". If they were truly illegal, they should have shut it all down.
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They never thought they were illegal because of the neutering being done to them. However, all the compliant work done to them was declared on 7/20/2016 as not being good enough to have them being sold in this state. So since 1994, every “AW “is completely illegal.
8/1 makes everything from 94 legal now.
The new bill says lawfully possessed, there was nothing lawfully possessed since 94 according to 7/20/16.
I would say people who don't stand for freedom are not Americans anyways. So I'd agree
