The Liberty Training Rifle

[JonJ]

Old sight out L-R, new in R-L. Used blue Permatex as I couldn't find purple. I don't think the difference in the type of Permatex would have made that much of a difference. I just realized that although I cleaned the lock screws, I didn't clean the threads of the sight. I suppose there could have been some oil in the threads or I simply didn't sock them down.

 

[dwarven1]

Try cleaning them again with something aggressive - maybe like Shooter's Choice or some kind of freon-based cleaner and see what happens.

 

[pipmaster1971]

A really quick question. I want to update the sights on my Ruger 10/22. Would I be best going for a medium-priced scope, or a slight (like one of the Tech Sites)? I want to keep the rifle as close to a Liberty Training Rifle as possible, but it appears that a scope isn't a popular choice for most people?

Oh, and JonJ - your new avatar scares the crap out of me....Way too creepy

 

[jar]

It's really a personal preference thing. Appleseed tends to lean a little more to the iron sights side of things unless you have vision issues that make them work poorly for you. I think this is mostly due to Appleseed being focused on the tradition and history of the rifleman. Until relatively recently, optics on a fighting rifle were only seen in specialized roles. I went with tech-sights because I wanted to learn the older traditional way first. I'd say go with tech-sights unless you have vision difficulties or a strong preference for a scope.

 

[dwarven1]

Actually, we lean towards iron sights because our aim is to teach you to be able to pick up a rack-grade service rifle, fire one sighter shot, and hit out to 400 yards. Most rack-grade service rifles don't have scopes...

 

[packingungal]

Actually, we lean towards iron sights because our aim is to teach you to be able to pick up a rack-grade service rifle, fire one sighter shot, and hit out to 400 yards. Most rack-grade service rifles don't have scopes...

Ross, do you have any reading recommendations on the 10/22 - the history, how to buy, etc.

 

[KMM696]

Official Liberty Training Rifle FAQ is a good start.

The 10/22 section of the RimfireCentral 10/22 Forum has a painfully large amount of information on the rifles - an excellent site.

Walmart sells a nice rifle version of the 10/22, sized for adults. Not in MA, but in free states. I picked one up in VT. If you see a good deal on a decent used one, converting into what you really want is an easy project. Ruger has made these for what seems like forever, so there's a ton of them out there.

 

[packingungal]

Thanks, KMM696!

 

[Dirtypacman]

Picked up my 10/22 this weekend - standard nothing special. I hope to be able to join up in the near future to give it a good workout with you guys.

 

[JonJ]

I sent an email to Tech-Sights over the weekend explaining the looseness of the front sight. I received an email reply this morning from the owner:

We will send you a replacement tower base. This will most likely help
your situation.

I like the service!
I saw someone on rimfirecentral.com had the same problem. I wonder if they had a batch that was out of spec.

Oh, and JonJ - your new avatar scares the crap out of me....Way too creepy

 

[Dirtypacman]

Reading over this thread got a bunch of questions about the modifications... mainly the trigger as I did not really like the stock trigger on it. I noticed there is a ton of information on the net - I am going to be browsing rimfirecentral thanks for the link.

Just how hard is it to lighten the trigger or replace it with a new assembly?

 

[dwarven1]

Reading over this thread got a bunch of questions about the modifications... mainly the trigger as I did not really like the stock trigger on it. I noticed there is a ton of information on the net - I am going to be browsing rimfirecentral thanks for the link.

Just how hard is it to lighten the trigger or replace it with a new assembly?

Pretty easy, actually - drop the action out of the stock (1 screw), the trigger assembly out of the action (two pins) and pull the hammer out of the trigger - 2 or 3 pins. There are good directions on rimfirecentral and elsewhere on disassembly and reassembly. Here's one. After the first few times, you don't even look at the directions any more.

Rimfirecentral in the 10/22 Action section has a sticky which has directions on stoning the hammer; I've done and it seems to be definitely lighter and smoother. And it's not full-auto, either. Got to be careful about that!

 

[Dirtypacman]

Dwarven1 - thanks for the quick response. Looks like I can do this without being an expert. I am going to run atleast 500 rounds through her before I change anything.

 

[bob999]

Does anyone have any preference for their 10/22's for one ammo type over another? I'm shooting CCI std velocity which seems to be working well at 25m. I tried Remington sub sonic when I first got the rifle which didn't seem to group as well.

 

[JonJ]

I didn't find my 10/22's trigger offensive. I have milsurps with worse triggers.

For ammo, I've had good luck with the Federal Value Pack from WalMart at $11.99 for 550 rounds. I haven't had it long enough to try other stuff and I'm sure there's better out there.

 

[dwarven1]

I like the Federal - I seem to remember also using the Remington bulk pack as well, but since my Mark I chokes on the new Remington bullet, I just buy the Federal so I don't have to stock two different types of ammo.

 

[pipmaster1971]

Thanks for your advice guys. I've placed an order for one of those Tech Sights. I really didn't like the 10/22 factory-sites method for windage adjustment: Get brass rod and use hammer to tap the sight base

 

[Chris]

Just got a Cabela's flier advertising a 10/22 for $199. So, if you are in the area, might be worth looking at. Synthetic stock.

 

[Dirtypacman]

Got mine in Kittery for $190 just FYI

 

[eisenhow]

I'm jumping into this LTR thread a little late but I've got a few questions... I'm still waiting for my LTC to be processed (I'm new to this, no previous FID card). So while waiting until I'm legal to pick up a couple 10/22's I placed a double order at MidwayUSA with the suggested parts on the first page. I also ordered a pair of TSR100's. My plans are to build two LTR's: one for myself and one for my stepson (his 12th b-day is coming up). Hopefully we can make it to at least a mini-appleseed sometime this summer. What barrel lengths would you recommend? Should I get him a carbine (16 1/8") and myself a rifle length (18 1/2 or 20")? BTW, he's about 5' 1" and I'm 5' 8".

 

[dwarven1]

Uh... I thought that the standard 10/22 was an 18" barrel length. That's what most folks buy. If you want a longer barrel, you could run up to a Walmart in NH and get the Wally World special; it's got a 22" barrel.

FWIW, mine are all 18" barrels and I'm very happy with them.

 

[eisenhow]

Uh... I thought that the standard 10/22 was an 18" barrel length. That's what most folks buy. If you want a longer barrel, you could run up to a Walmart in NH and get the Wally World special; it's got a 22" barrel.

I was going by the ruger website. It looks like I was confusing the "compact" version 10/22CRR with the carbine.

FWIW, mine are all 18" barrels and I'm very happy with them.

Looks like the carbine (18.5") is what I'm looking for. Any reason besides aesthetics and price to go for a stainless/synthetic over a blue/wood one? (ie sight and/or swivel attachment). I assume it's just a personal preference.

 

[dwarven1]

Depends if you're the type who will keep shooting at an Appleseed when it's raining cats and dogs.

If you are, you'll probably be happier with the stainless/synthetic one and you will probably need a different set of studs for the synthetic stock; I haven't tried to put studs on mine yet but it looks like the synthetic forearm is thinner and I think you need the machine threaded stud with a nut for it. Looks like these may be the right one, but I don't know where you'd order just one.

 

[Vintovka]

I was going by the ruger website. It looks like I was confusing the "compact" version 10/22CRR with the carbine.

Looks like the carbine (18.5") is what I'm looking for. Any reason besides aesthetics and price to go for a stainless/synthetic over a blue/wood one? (ie sight and/or swivel attachment). I assume it's just a personal preference.

The barrel length probably doesn't make much difference for .22 lr shooting at 25 yds. However, it may be worth considering that the 22" bbl will bring your sight radius (with Tech Sights) pretty close to the M1/M14, while the 18" is closer to that of a full-length AR. Also, presumably the 1/2 MOA adjustments on the Tech sights are calibrated for either the more "standard" (18"?) bbl, although I can't find any reference as to which is the preferred sight radius (but I'm probably over-analyzing).

RE: stainless vs blued: Mine is stainless just because that's what I happened to get a good deal on used (it's what Nickle would refer to as a "pimp gun" ) I prefer the appearance of blued, but when it comes to fit, finish & function, I'd be happy with either one. I don't think you're going to have to worry too much about corrosion even if it sees rain now and again... it's easy enough to strip down to detail clean & oil. IMHO, stainless is generally overkill except for guns which will see a lot of holster wear, or perhaps will be stored in an ocean-going yacht (neither scenario being particularly likely for an LTR )

 

[Coyote33]

There are quite a few options for trigger improvements, magazine releases, etc. out there.

Any ones stand out above the others, or offer a better bang for the buck (pardon the pun)?

Maybe a bunch of NES people can get together a group buy on this stuff at Midway and even do a pre-Appleseed workshop to put the parts on. Anyone else think this might be a good idea?

Thanks.

 

[Cuda444]

There are quite a few options for trigger improvements, magazine releases, etc. out there.

Any ones stand out above the others, or offer a better bang for the buck (pardon the pun)?

Maybe a bunch of NES people can get together a group buy on this stuff at Midway and even do a pre-Appleseed workshop to put the parts on. Anyone else think this might be a good idea?

Thanks.

At the moment I only have one 10/22, and while it isn't an LTR, I did do a tiny bit of work to the trigger by dropping in a Power Custom Hammer which significantly improved the pull weight and made the trigger much more crisp. There is probably more that can be done, but for the money I'm happy with it. I ordered it from Brownells, I believe.

Another 10/22 is in the works at the moment. This one will be an LTR with Tech Sights and some trigger work as well. I don't know if I'll explore what else is out there for working the trigger, I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.

As far as putting it all together, it's pretty easy to do once you take it apart and put it back together once. But I would definitely be in for a Midway buy/Pre-Appleseed get together.

 

[crak]

Just make sure you're not waiting to get all of this stuff upgraded before going to an Appleseed. You will learn a ton no matter what you bring.

 

[TomH]

Are there any slings that could wrap around the butt of the stock instead of putting a stud/loop in? (kind of like those AR slings, but that will fit a 10-22) I just got a 10/22 but I don't think I can bear to drill into the walnut stock!

 

[TimJ]

Are there any slings that could wrap around the butt of the stock instead of putting a stud/loop in? (kind of like those AR slings, but that will fit a 10-22) I just got a 10/22 but I don't think I can bear to drill into the walnut stock!

Realistically you only need the sling attached to the forearm for shooting. When you sling up the rear end should be detached.

 

[jar]

Realistically you only need the sling attached to the forearm for shooting. When you sling up the rear end should be detached.

Depends on technique. For the loop sling you are correct. I did all of my shooting at the appleseed from a hasty sling, which requires a rear attachment.