We FINALLY get the law that will help us!

OP, I absolutely believe in training. I just don't believe the gov is capable of providing it or should be mandating it.

If you really want to improve gun safety, education is the way. Bring back the Eddy Eagle program to schools, and shooting to scouts and schools.

And if you feel so strongly about it, give it away for free, what's stopping you?
 
drgrant said:
Someone that thinks a few hrs of live fire magically makes someone safe or competent.
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Well, of course it does.
That is why we never have car accidents on Massachusetts roads. Because all drivers had to pass a written exam, and a road test with a driving instructor.
Just Friday afternoon, when driving home from work, I saw at least four incidents that nearly resulted in serious accidents, and one pretty serious accident.

And as I inched by the smashed vehicles, staties and tow trucks, I thought to myself, "Thank goodness everyone around me can do a three point turn, parallel park, and knows their hand signals. We are SAVED.

My youngest daughter failed her first road test, and she was beating herself up, her confidence shaken. So I said to her... "Think of the three dumbest people you know, they all got driver's licenses, right?"

Training is always a good idea, and there should be incentives to encourage it, but training does not ensure competence or sound judgement. And no training can fix stupid. The guy in charge at Chernobyl and the captain of the Titanic were both very well trained.
 
HooVooLoo said:
The number of downvotes (negative comments) on my post is astounding.

You 2A MAGA freaks are unreasonable.

Why is the requirement for live-fire training "unreasonable" to you?

As a firearms instructor responsible for writing these people off to the MSP that they are capable with their firearm, why would you be comfortable doing so without seeing how they handle the gun when they fire the first shot?

Remember! Many many people who are getting their license for their first time, have NEVER fired a shot with their shiny new pistol.

If you are an instructor, and pass them without live-fire training? You are complicit in the kid next door who got killed because the person you just licensed didn't know how to handle .357 recoil.
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And your position on Constitutional Carry is what?
 
HooVooLoo said:
"...
Training
...Requires State Police to promulgate uniform training curriculum and standardized test for all new applicants for a license to carry or Firearm ID Card. Curriculum will include live firearm training, and disengagement training..."

GOAL - H4139 Conference Report

www.goal.org www.goal.org

Finally! A requirement that should have been there 50 years go.

Frak,
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Please stay in MA where you and your ideas can be best contained.

Thanks.
 
I realize this is a dumpster fire/troll/meme thread, but I will still make a serious point.

I am strongly in favor of training. But I am against government required training.

And let me expand on that point a little bit. In my experience, government required training actually makes people less likely to take the training they need. For people with no experience who want to own a handgun, the NRA Basic Pistol Course is probably the best first step. But people don't look for the right training. They are forced to start by looking for the easiest way to meet requirements. And in Massachusetts, that is a Home Firearms Safety Course, which is shorter, cheaper, and much more available.

I have told lots of people who are licensed, but barely prepared, that they would still benefit from the Basic Pistol course. And that Basic Pistol does not have too much overlap with the firearms safety they have already learned. But no one is willing to do that after they have already spent time and money jumping through government hoops.
 
HooVooLoo said:
"...
Training
...Requires State Police to promulgate uniform training curriculum and standardized test for all new applicants for a license to carry or Firearm ID Card. Curriculum will include live firearm training, and disengagement training..."

GOAL - H4139 Conference Report

www.goal.org www.goal.org

Finally! A requirement that should have been there 50 years go.

Frak,
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Perhaps we should introduce literacy tests before allowing people to vote?

Some states had them in the past and they were quite effective... at preventing certain people from exercising their right to vote.

We really don't want just anyone exercising their 2nd Amendment rights, do we? 😉
 
straightshooterjake said:
I realize this is a dumpster fire/troll/meme thread, but I will still make a serious point.

I am strongly in favor of training. But I am against government required training.

And let me expand on that point a little bit. In my experience, government required training actually makes people less likely to take the training they need. For people with no experience who want to own a handgun, the NRA Basic Pistol Course is probably the best first step. But people don't look for the right training. They are forced to start by looking for the easiest way to meet requirements. And in Massachusetts, that is a Home Firearms Safety Course, which is shorter, cheaper, and much more available.

I have told lots of people who are licensed, but barely prepared, that they would still benefit from the Basic Pistol course. And that Basic Pistol does not have too much overlap with the firearms safety they have already learned. But no one is willing to do that after they have already spent time and money jumping through government hoops.
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Training is gay, learn to shoot while drinking like a real American.
 
Fortunately, the MA obstacle to instructordom is small and does not include things like state run training, instructors having to attend an in-person training sessionto get certifies, instructors having to buy a special rubber stamp, or recertification at LTC renewal time. It's up to those of us with instructor certifications to help remove this obstacle for aspiring LTC holders, either on a volunteer (gun club hosted) or commercial basis.
 
OP has a "mission", as some other NES people do (e.g. abortion, "safe storage" laws, OUI convictions when nobody is injured), and all the replies, be they WTF, or reasoned responses are like tears in rain.

OP: I can see that you are sincere. Off base but sincere. Do you think that this should be a national requirement, for states where you don't have a license, but are just assumed to be a responsible person?
 
MisterHappy said:
OP has a "mission", as some other NES people do (e.g. abortion, "safe storage" laws, OUI convictions when nobody is injured), and all the replies, be they WTF, or reasoned responses are like tears in rain.

OP: I can see that you are sincere. Off base but sincere. Do you think that this should be a national requirement, for states where you don't have a license, but are just assumed to be a responsible person?
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blade runner GIF
 
Yeah, well hello Mura.
Umm, because what other constitutional rights require training before a citizen can exercise it?
Then the state will illegally use it as a tool to prohibit the people from being able to use said right.
All the while breaking their own laws as to how long it would take to process such applications as they knowingly do now.

With that said, your logic is so poor that I wouldn't even allow you on the little yellow bus.
For fear that those on it would be dumber for having to ride it with you..
Never mind the poor driver having to clean your drool from the windows...
 
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MisterHappy said:
OP: I can see that you are sincere. Off base but sincere. Do you think that this should be a national requirement, for states where you don't have a license, but are just assumed to be a responsible person?
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Yes. You should be licensed to carry your firearm in public only if you have demonstrated to the local "licensing authority", or to an instructor in that capacity, that you will not kill other peole in the process of discharging your firearm.

Why is this such a mental block for the MAGA here?

You holder-ons are short-sighted, And have obviously NEVER instructed in the state of Massachusetts.

Dumb mother-f***ers, you are going to RUIN our right to carry!


View: https://youtu.be/oGCKFzGAfQ0



View: https://youtu.be/tTqRe3YZhh0



View: https://youtu.be/qRLOYTFpcK8


I'm tried of this shit, because the more incidents like this happen, the sooner YOUR right to carry will be rescinded. Which include MY right,,,

Morons.

Downvote me all you want, but education is the key. Mandating it is the salve.
 
HooVooLoo said:
Yes. You should be licensed to carry your firearm in public only if you have demonstrated to the local "licensing authority", or to an instructor in that capacity, that you will not kill other peole in the process of discharging your firearm.

Why is this such a mental block for the MAGA here?

You holder-ons are short-sighted, And have obviously NEVER instructed in the state of Massachusetts.

Dumb mother-f***ers, you are going to RUIN our right to carry!


View: https://youtu.be/oGCKFzGAfQ0



View: https://youtu.be/tTqRe3YZhh0



View: https://youtu.be/qRLOYTFpcK8


I'm tried of this shit, because the more incidents like this happen, the sooner YOUR right to carry will be rescinded. Which include MY right,,,

Morons.

Downvote me all you want, but education is the key. Mandating it is the salve.
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drgrant said:
Do you think /they/ give a shit? 🤣

This 116 page pile of obstructionist excrement they just shat out proves that they don't.

This requirement is just another means of driving up costs and deterring licensure.
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If one cannot afford a box of ammo, and don't know how to write it off on one's taxes, then perhaps one shouldn't be an independent instructor.
 
HooVooLoo said:
If one cannot afford a box of ammo, and don't know how to write it off on one's taxes, then perhaps one shouldn't be an independent instructor.
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This has nothing to do with the cost of a box of ammo.
Still too f***ing dense to get it. [rofl] You will never understand, probably because you've lived in mass too long and you have mass faggot brain anti gun disease. I feel sorry for
you. You are part of the problem though.
 
HooVooLoo said:
"...
Training
...Requires State Police to promulgate uniform training curriculum and standardized test for all new applicants for a license to carry or Firearm ID Card. Curriculum will include live firearm training, and disengagement training..."

GOAL - H4139 Conference Report

www.goal.org www.goal.org

Finally! A requirement that should have been there 50 years go.

Frak,
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Channeling the FPC - FY, no.
Go home, you're a statist FUD.
 
HooVooLoo said:
You are out of your mind. If you as an instructor cannot figure out how to offset the cost of this to your business? Then there is not much hope for you.
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The point Drgrant is making is that training costs will go up, so it will cost more for applicants to get the required training. That is the whole point of these sorts of laws — to keep guns out of the hands of poor people.
 
Mountain said:
If not simply a troll, OP may be an instructor looking to profit from our misery.
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I was a state certified instructor. I haven’t taught in many years, but I did charge for my classes so the current law did put a little money in my pocket. While I do think people should get training, I don’t support training mandates.
 
HooVooLoo said:
You holder-ons are short-sighted, And have obviously NEVER instructed in the state of Massachusetts.
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Yes, I have instructed in MA. In fact, I was one of the first 30 to become a state police certified firearms safety instructor. We just have different opinions.
HooVooLoo said:
Dumb mother-f***ers, you are going to RUIN our right to carry!
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No. The lawmakers on Beacon Hill are doing that all on their own.

The way the current law works, if an NRA training counselor (the folks who train people to become an instructor) moves into MA, he or she must take an NRA Basic Pistol class or equivalent. That’s retarded. But that’s how these sorts of laws work.
 
HooVooLoo said:
That's NOT THE POINT, Mr. Pointy!

It is ONE STEP CLOSER to them not taking away our ability to have guns, because our licensing laws were lacking. Why is the live-fire requirement so onerous?

Can't afford it? Then step-down from the S&W performance center 1911. Jesus.

Think outside the box, man!
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If you think for a minute you can compromise with tyranny, you need to drop the gun and go with crayons a d green jello because you're not quite up to the task.
 
HooVooLoo said:
That's NOT THE POINT, Mr. Pointy!

It is ONE STEP CLOSER to them not taking away our ability to have guns, because our licensing laws were lacking. Why is the live-fire requirement so onerous?

Can't afford it? Then step-down from the S&W performance center 1911. Jesus.

Think outside the box, man!
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Ask yourself how many states have zero requirements past federal regulations to own a gun.
And what is their firearms accident rate controlled for ownership?
Probably the same or lower than those states with live fire requirements.

So your fantasy of safety is just that, fantasy.
 
HooVooLoo said:
Yes. You should be licensed to carry your firearm in public only if you have demonstrated to the local "licensing authority", or to an instructor in that capacity, that you will not kill other peole in the process of discharging your firearm.

Why is this such a mental block for the MAGA here?

You holder-ons are short-sighted, And have obviously NEVER instructed in the state of Massachusetts.

Dumb mother-f***ers, you are going to RUIN our right to carry!


View: https://youtu.be/oGCKFzGAfQ0



View: https://youtu.be/tTqRe3YZhh0



View: https://youtu.be/qRLOYTFpcK8


I'm tried of this shit, because the more incidents like this happen, the sooner YOUR right to carry will be rescinded. Which include MY right,,,

Morons.

Downvote me all you want, but education is the key. Mandating it is the salve.
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You think this type of thinking came about with MAGA? The whole idea of discharging your firearm is controlled by what’s between your ears, not some silly “live fire training”

Get help for the TDS!
 

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