You Could Say I Am a Sniper Now ...

[ThePreBanMan]

False. Guns also kill via hemorrhaging by crushing tissue (what you call cutting). Generally you need a fragmenting rifle bullet (often in varmint loads) in order to turn temporary cavity into permanent wounding. Otherwise, the most common rifle wounding mechanism is crushing tissue.

Now you're doing mental gymnastics. Archery tackle kills by hemorrhaging by making cuts. Hemorrhaging and hemorring alone is what results in archery kills. With firearms, it's trauma. Yes it's true with the initial trauma is survived eventually the animal that was shot will bleed out, but that is neither desired nor the intended result.

 

[ThePreBanMan]

View: https://youtu.be/EuwZmE4REEI?t=14

Yes please, let's cite Joe Biden to settle a cartridge debate.

 

[PappyM3]

Now you're doing mental gymnastics. Archery tackle kills by hemorrhaging by making cuts. Hemorrhaging and hemorring alone is what results in archery kills. With firearms, it's trauma. Yes it's true with the initial trauma is survived eventually the animal that was shot will bleed out, but that is neither desired nor the intended result.

It’s not mental gymnastics. It’s the reality. CNS hit or bleeding out. That’s how animals and humans die. No other way. If you want to limit post-hit movement by destroying bone, okay. But it’s not what kills the animal. Bullets do not kill via trauma. They kill with crushing or tearing tissue.

 

[vicorjh]

Yes please, let's cite Joe Biden to settle a cartridge debate.

Aligns.

 

[ThePreBanMan]

It’s not mental gymnastics. It’s the reality. CNS hit or bleeding out. That’s how animals and humans die. No other way. If you want to limit post-hit movement by destroying bone, okay. But it’s not what kills the animal. Bullets do not kill via trauma. They kill with crushing or tearing tissue.

Still doing mental gymnastics. But please, how common is it for someone to cut themselves handling a bullet, versus handling a Broadhead. For you to try to say they kill the same way is asinine and ignorant.

 

[Broc]

Back on topic: the 6.5 CM is pretty neato. It’s cool to reliably reach out to 1k yards with a 16” barrel.

And, it is amazing how well factory ammo works.

6.5cm likes 140-146gr range best. Go with those and even cheap factory ammo shoots great.

 

[Broc]

Yes please, let's cite Joe Biden to settle a cartridge debate.

Dude, just stop. There was never a cartridge debate, it is all in your head. This thread was never about a cartridge debate.

 

[ThePreBanMan]

Dude, just stop. There was never a cartridge debate, it is all in your head. This thread was never about a cartridge debate.

Well, then you have inappropriately titled and categorized the thread. If you want to talk about being a "sniper", then you are very much having a cartridge discussion. If you want a 6.5 love thread, then call it that.

 

[PappyM3]

Still doing mental gymnastics. But please, how common is it for someone to cut themselves handling a bullet, versus handling a Broadhead. For you to try to say they kill the same way is asinine and ignorant.

Please read more wounding mechanism studies/medical literature.

 

[PappyM3]

And, it is amazing how well factory ammo works.

6.5cm likes 140-146gr range best. Go with those and even cheap factory ammo shoots great.

Yup. 143gr ELD-X shoots extremely well for me. But I bought a bunch of 140 ELD-M to load up and I’ll see how that goes.

Ultimate Reloader did a bunch of testing between 143 ELD-X and 140 ELD-M and they surprisingly behaved very similarly in terminal ballistics.

I have some 127gr Barnes LRX, but haven’t tried it yet.

 

[38ExtraSpecial]

Please read more wounding mechanism studies/medical literature.

This.

Also bullets tend to moving pretty fast when they hit an animal. Not just sitting in your hand.
You can handle a broad head and not cut yourself too.

 

[Broc]

Yup. 143gr ELD-X shoots extremely well for me. But I bought a bunch of 140 ELD-M to load up and I’ll see how that goes.

Ultimate Reloader did a bunch of testing between 143 ELD-X and 140 ELD-M and they surprisingly behaved very similarly in terminal ballistics.

I have some 127gr Barnes LRX, but haven’t tried it yet.

I thought about trying the ELD-M ... but powder is not easy to find, so I don't want to use more of it trying to develop a new load.

 

[PatMcD]

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[ThePreBanMan]

Please read more wounding mechanism studies/medical literature.

Now your just intentionally deflecting. Cutting and blunt force trauma are not the same thing, and no one serious about truth needs a medical study to inform them of such.

 

[AllaSnackbah]

Caliber debates are seriously gayer than AIDS and more often than not the people who get super wrapped up in them are compensating for skill deficiencies as a rifleman.

Shot placement is everything.

- Alpha Male 6.5 Chad More Enjoyer

 

[Broc]

Caliber debates are seriously gayer than AIDS and more often than not the people who get super wrapped up in them are compensating for skill deficiencies as a rifleman.

Shot placement is everything.

- Alpha Male 6.5 Chad More Enjoyer

Agree. This thread was never a caliber debate until a couple of pages back.

 

[Tallahassee]

And, it is amazing how well factory ammo works.

6.5cm likes 140-146gr range best. Go with those and even cheap factory ammo shoots great.

It is amazingly forgiving, I'll give it that for sure.

 

[AJK129]

Agree. This thread was never a caliber debate until a couple of pages back.

Im not sure prebanguy actually looked at the first few pages of the thread...

 

[ddeck]

Happy 6.5 Day!

Yes, it has its own day!

 

[Broc]

Happy 6.5 Day!

Yes, it has its own day!

 

[Broc]

I should have purchased one sooner.

The instructions are pretty horrible, good thing the Internet exists. But the app is easy to use for calibration and powder dispensing.

I would like to meet whoever designed this, using the keypad in this thing is like learning another language.

But it works great, so I don't care.

 

[LuvDog]

Looks like the Motorola Razr keypad

 

[Mesatchornug]

6.5 Creedmoor vs. 6.5x55 Swedish

When the 6.5 Creedmoor began gaining popularity in the early 2010s, one criticism stood out among many others: “Hornady’s new cartridge is just a copycat of the much older 6.5x55 Swedish.” Six-and-a-half millimeter cartridges have been popular among European hunters for decades, and like...

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[Rockrivr1]

6.5 Creedmoor vs. 6.5x55 Swedish

When the 6.5 Creedmoor began gaining popularity in the early 2010s, one criticism stood out among many others: “Hornady’s new cartridge is just a copycat of the much older 6.5x55 Swedish.” Six-and-a-half millimeter cartridges have been popular among European hunters for decades, and like...

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Now you've done it!!!!

 

[Woodsloafer]

6.5 Creedmoor vs. 6.5x55 Swedish

When the 6.5 Creedmoor began gaining popularity in the early 2010s, one criticism stood out among many others: “Hornady’s new cartridge is just a copycat of the much older 6.5x55 Swedish.” Six-and-a-half millimeter cartridges have been popular among European hunters for decades, and like...

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The 6.5X55 was great long before the wannabe creepymore came around, just sayin (again).

 

[Mesatchornug]

Now you've done it!!!!

The 6.5X55 was great long before the wannabe creepymore came around, just sayin (again).

so I've heard

 

[PappyM3]

Internet people: The 6.5 Creedmoor is unethical to use on big game.

You: Looking at the 6.5 Swede’s extensive history of shooting moose and caribou in Scandinavia.

 

[Broc]

Internet people: The 6.5 Creedmoor is unethical to use on big game.
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You: Looking at the 6.5 Swede’s extensive history of shooting moose and caribou in Scandinavia.
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But that is different!

 

[40 Creedmoor fan]

The new darling of the "slow and heavy" crowd, 8.6 Blackout, is based on 6.5 CM.
Next step: 473 Creedmoor! Straight wall grizzly bear hunting cartridge!

 

[KMM696]

6.5 Creedmoor vs. 6.5x55 Swedish

When the 6.5 Creedmoor began gaining popularity in the early 2010s, one criticism stood out among many others: “Hornady’s new cartridge is just a copycat of the much older 6.5x55 Swedish.” Six-and-a-half millimeter cartridges have been popular among European hunters for decades, and like...

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Hey, can we do 6.5 Creedmoor vs 260 Remington next?