Why was there an FBI drone there? Random? Do they routinely fly.drones over areas of civil unrest? They seemed be be accurately focused on this event as it unfolded.
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17-year-old arrested in killing of 2 people in Kenosha
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I’m sure they had agent provocateurs on the ground.
Wouldn't surprise me but why Kenosha? Of all the rioting going on, this little dot on the map midwest town?
AHM
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They do this anywhere and everywhere. It’s what happens when you have an agency that big with unlimited resources and unfettered corruption.
CatSnoutSoup
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Shit I could almost understand that at least those people have something invested, the dudes shot here had no yard for a sign, no dog in this fight, they were simply criminal dirtbags out to riot.
Hell, Rosenbaum the first guy killed was a convicted serial child rapist.
Hey should not have been available for rioting, he should have been taken out back of the courthouse and put down after his conviction for the rape of 5 boys ages of 9-11.
From Crowder
- Joseph Rosenbaum sexually abused kids. SOURCE: WisconsinRightNow
AHM
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IOW, exactly who the virtue signalers endorse by their own flouncing.
im watchIng this trial, I also watched the Zimmerman one. Watching these prosecution witnesses which one after another sound more like defense witnesses. As we’re watching the testimony and hearing the threats and attacks against rite house and seeing the videos of the attacks on him, I can’t imagine the jury isn’t wondering why they ever arrested rittenhouse.
I’m sure the defense will ext former police use of force experts who will say rittenhouse acted correctly etc. other than the possession charge, the other charges are beyond a farce.
I also really don’t get why the prosecution seeks so obsessed with rittenhouse saying he was an EMT/medic. It’s irrelevant to anything and in these riots every time I see someone say emt etc I take it as shorthand for they’ll give medical aid and have supplies, not that they are a certified EMT. If someone at these riots say they are press, they could be from Fox, NY times, local paper or a small blogger, they’d all be accurate.
Yep. Not only have the witnesses seemed like defense witnesses during cross, but there were several times under direct it almost appeared like the prosecutor was the defense attorney. Several questions lead directly to very favorable answers to Rittenhouse by the witnesses. Surely he should have known that was coming. Yet he asked anyways.
I also don’t think some of the points he attempted to make do what he thinks they do. Like he tried to make the point the slings were strong enough they would have prevented Rosenbaum from getting the rifle.
Apart from being dumb to begin with, doesn’t it suggest Rosenbaum (and others) would need to be very violent and dangerous to even attempt getting it? Doesn’t that suggest Rittenhouse would obviously been in fear for his safety? But I digress.
I also don’t think some of the points he attempted to make do what he thinks they do. Like he tried to make the point the slings were strong enough they would have prevented Rosenbaum from getting the rifle.
Apart from being dumb to begin with, doesn’t it suggest Rosenbaum (and others) would need to be very violent and dangerous to even attempt getting it? Doesn’t that suggest Rittenhouse would obviously been in fear for his safety? But I digress.
AHM
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Pardon, @Kevin_NH; Branca omitted a seventh charge of violating curfew,
which seems to him to not be a criminal act.
I thought the sling part yesterday was dumb too. I’m sure the shoulder strap on a woman’s handbag is strong enough for a 300 lb man to do pull-ups from but muggers don’t have much of a problem pulling it off a struggling woman.
a sling makes it harder but if so crazed nut is trying to take your riffle who would take the risk the strap would stop the theft. Rittenhouse isn’t a physical beat but he isn’t some young child the rapist rosenbaum was used to.
and the other two he shot, the video and self defense evidence is even stronger. I haven’t seen a single bit of evidence or even a suggestion where rittenhouse was not running away from people pursuing him. When was he ever the aggressor? The pursuit of this case is so egregious I think it warrants a complaint to the bar association to punish the prosecutor binger.
KBCraig
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The question isn't why they had a drone flying over Kenosha. They question is, why did they have the camera zoomed in on that particular location?
It's almost as if they expected something to happen there. But the FBI would never instigate troublemaking... right?
Rosenbaum had just been released from a mental hospital, and was being bird-dogged all evening by Joshua "First shooter" Ziminski. One hopes the defense has dug into Z's finances to see if he got a nice payday from the FBI for setting all that up and literally lighting it off.
Just watched some more of the trial. It can't be a good thing when you need to try and impeach your own witness, which is what the prosecutor needed to try and do with the last witness he called. Presumably your witness saying Rosembaum told him and Kyle if he got either one of them alone he'd f***ing kill them, isn't good for the position that Kyle's a murderer. But who knows.
even if true I doubt it would be admissible. Defense should focus or the treat and justification of rittenhouse s use of force. Keep it simple and focused, don’t distract the jury.
there are several videos at different points in the night where rosenbaum was very aggressive, had to be held back and showed his anger and tendency towards violence. Play that and put on experts in use of force.
Boston_Shooter
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This entire trial is an absolute dumpster fire....lol
On the upside, most of the trash smoke and embers are adhering to the prosecution.
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I haven't paid much attention to this entire fiasco, so I'm not familiar enough with the details to even have an opinion. I've watched some of the court stuff live for shit and giggles, but it's mostly unwatchable. If anyone wants to give me the cliffs notes on some of the details or link me to them?
Was he legally open carrying? Was there a legitimate reason for him being where he was? Are they trying to make it out like he instigated the confrontations? Like I said, I don't have an opinion because I honestly don't really know much about the details...
Stupid question: Can you be cleared for murder if it's deemed to be self defense, even if you used an illegal gun to do it? Do you then just deal with the gun charges?
Was he legally open carrying? Was there a legitimate reason for him being where he was? Are they trying to make it out like he instigated the confrontations? Like I said, I don't have an opinion because I honestly don't really know much about the details...
Stupid question: Can you be cleared for murder if it's deemed to be self defense, even if you used an illegal gun to do it? Do you then just deal with the gun charges?
was he legally carrying, no because he was only 17. Several months prior he and a friends went to a friend upstate house in a rural area and hung out and shot guns at the range on the family property. Kyle liked his friend AR and wanted one but he was only 17. The friend agreed to buy one for Kyle but he couldn’t have it until he turned 18. The gun was kept in that fiends fathers gun safe in Kenosha. When all the riots were going on months later, the friends father had guns out for defense of his house. A the following night kyle and friends volunteered to defend a car dealership and Kyle took the AR
was he legally allowed to be where he was? Maybe sort of. There was a curfew in effect so no one was supposed to be out after a certain time, they were all violating that but the cops were not enforcing it and it’s only a citation offense. On private property where he was invited to be to defend it, he’s probably legally allowed to be there even if the curfew was in effect. But this issue isn’t a factor in the case.
I don’t think they’re trying to say he instigated it, I think they are saying the use of force was unnecessary with respect to rosenbaum the first one shot. Rosenbaum was the one treate ing people and yelling shoot me n word over and over. He’s was a 36 yr old child rapist who did 17 years in prison in AZ for a number of sex crimes against five boys between 9-11 years old including sodomy and rape, had a pending case in WI for domestic violence and was released that day from a mental hospital for an attempted suicide.
the prosecution seeks to be trying to suggest RosenBaum was falling forward when he was running at rittenhouse and thus not a threat, also that he didn’t have any weapons with him.
People are saying it’s a joke because the states own witnesses are saying rosenbaum chased after rittenhouse, had him pretty much cornered and alone and tried to grab the rife then rittenhouse shot 4 times in .76 seconds. The prosecution has had to try and impeach their own witnesses testimony. The witnesses sound like defense witnesses and set a pretty reasonable case of self defense.
the witnesses today haven’t helped the prosecution today either. One was another person who was defending the car delealership and a state DNA expert. Lack of any DNA by the 3 shot doesn’t mean a thing. It may not have been swabbed in the area the DNA was, the 3 shot could have grabbed the barrel, left DNA but the heat from the 8 rounds fired cooked the DNA and destroyed it making it undetectable.
the video showing rittenhouse being attacked before each shooting is all on video and it’s definitely not favorable to the prosecution. I don’t know how the state can explain away what that video clearly shows.
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Yes you can be acquitted of the murder and other charges but found guilty of the gun charge. If you’re a PP aka a convicted felon and you use a gun to defend yourself from a mugging, you may get charged with felon in possession even if they never pursue a murder charge.
Buck F
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The only gun charge he's facing is a misdemeanor, it doesn't invalidate his right to self-defense.
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Antifa will be out in force if Rittenhouse acquitted, the funny part is now that he’s 18, he can pick up a rifle and head back to the dealership! Wouldn’t that be poetic justice!
Ok, the aunt of the 2nd shot, Anthony Huber, is on the stand now. She’s a big woman, practically out of breathe from walking into the courtroom.
why is this even relevant? She wasn’t there, likely has no information other than to elicit sympathy. Huber is on video and it’s clear he actually did grab rittenhouses rifle, the DNA witness testified Huber was grabbing the gun in the video. He smashed rittenhouse on the head with a skateboard then tried to grab the rifle and was shot.
like rosenbaum, he had a violent history including domestic violence with a weapon
why is this even relevant? She wasn’t there, likely has no information other than to elicit sympathy. Huber is on video and it’s clear he actually did grab rittenhouses rifle, the DNA witness testified Huber was grabbing the gun in the video. He smashed rittenhouse on the head with a skateboard then tried to grab the rifle and was shot.
like rosenbaum, he had a violent history including domestic violence with a weapon
It’s very much in dispute whether or not he was legally allowed to be carrying and the law, which is a total mess, seems to suggest it was legal.
If he’s acquitted I expect the FBI to target him and the others he was with. The prosecutor already tried to intimidate his own witness suggesting he had lied to the FBI.
This is still being argued. You can't purchase until 18. You can't hunt without supervision under 16. Can he possess a rifle? It is virtual legal no man's land 16 -18 which I am sure ADA Binger will try to change after he loses this case.
He seems to be more and more whinny as each witness doesn't testify the way he wants. I wholly expect him to stomp his feet by mid-week, next week. Thank god it is the weekend.
The defense attorney already called him out once for trying to coach his witness. He didn’t like that much. Fortunately for him it appears the witness either didn’t notice or at least said he didn’t notice.
The prosecution was going to have her state what a wonderful, non-violent person her nephew was, who was obviously running to get the gun away from Rittenhouse to protect others.
However, in the back and forth with the judge (out of view of the jury), the defense stated that if she were to say that, they were going to introduce Huber's court record where he was charged with assaulting his brother with a knife, threatening to "gut him like a pig", and and then threatening to burn down a house full of people.
At that point, the prosecutor, looking like he was sitting on something significantly smaller than his buttocks, decided to withdraw the line of questioning.
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