17-year-old arrested in killing of 2 people in Kenosha

This is the daily summary with included embedded video. Worth the watch.

This is a 1:09 video that was referred to above. [rofl]

And if that’s all that was involved, it would have been a win-win for the defense.

But there’s more—and the more was insight provided into the narrative the State intends to put before the jury as the reason they should convict Kyle of intentional homicide and have him sentenced to life in prison, plus five years for having used a gun in the killing.

This came to light when ADA Kraus revealed—intentionally or by accident—that the state’s narrative with respect to Huber was going to be that Huber was a hero who had died believing that he was saving the citizens of Kenosha from active shooter Kyle Rittenhouse, after being provoked by Kyle as a result of his shooting of Rosenbaum.

You can listen to ADA Kraus himself here: SEE ARTICLE WITH EMBEDDED VIDEO.

Rittenhouse Trial Day 4: Two State Blunders Create Opportunity for the Defense – Law of Self Defense

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This is his daily video where he reads his summary. Watch on utube.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0Se1JZYVNA
 
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Jesus. This is going to be as big a cluster as the OJ trial, although I think the kid should walk in this one.

If nothing else, this fact they didn't serve a search warrant shows some issues with how they operate. I'm sure there's a 'reason', but the kid's lawyers have something to bite into.
 
Matt_SERE said:
This is still being argued. You can't purchase until 18. You can't hunt without supervision under 16. Can he possess a rifle? It is virtual legal no man's land 16 -18 which I am sure ADA Binger will try to change after he loses this case.

He seems to be more and more whinny as each witness doesn't testify the way he wants. I wholly expect him to stomp his feet by mid-week, next week. Thank god it is the weekend.
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See my other cluster post. How the hell does he not know 'generally' what HIS witnesses are going to say?

I've worked with 'good' prosecutors, one time they asked me if something was 'always' in the paperwork. I said, 'it should be'. He asked me why it wouldn't be there, 'I said, mistakes happen.' I didn't want to testify in federal court that there was no reason for that piece of paper to be missing. After my appearance, we talked about it, he was kinda miffed, but understood why I didn't testify to an absolute in court. The next case a few weeks later, that paperwork wasn't in the file due to an odd but not uncommon situation. If I were smarter, I would have stated this situation in the previous testimony as an example. He then saw my point in my 'should be' statement and changed his line of questioning accordingly.
 
The way this is going, with the prosecution falling on its face, a mistrial might not be necessary... The judge might grant a motion to dismiss if he decides the government hasn't met its burden.

Interesting trial.
 
Rockrivr1 said:
Yeah, the pedophile was trying to save mankind.... Pretty risky bet by the prosecution.
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They’re not making the hero claim with the pedo rosenbaum, they’re saying it with respect to the 2nd and 3rd shot. With rosenbaum they’re basically trying to say the force was excessive and not legal because the threat wasn’t enough to warrant shooting someone.

They’re absolutely trying to claim Huber (2nd shot) and grosswhatever (3rd shot but he lived and is testifying today) were heros trying to disarm an active shooting.

Even if the prosecution case is decent for the 2nd and 3rd shot, that they were trying to disarm an active shooter and not acting with ill will, they still have a massive problem. If the jury sees the shooting of Rosenbaum as self defense, rittenhouse getting attacked by 2 and 3 would also be justified self defense. Even if those people were acting as good citizens and trying to detain rittenhouse, he could still legally view their actions as an attack and use force to defend himself. That’s why it’s really stupid to get involved in things that don’t concern you.
 
Hoover said:
They’re not making the hero claim with the pedo rosenbaum, they’re saying it with respect to the 2nd and 3rd shot. With rosenbaum they’re basically trying to say the force was excessive and not legal because the threat wasn’t enough to warrant shooting someone.

They’re absolutely trying to claim Huber (2nd shot) and grosswhatever (3rd shot but he lived and is testifying today) were heros trying to disarm an active shooting.

Even if the prosecution case is decent for the 2nd and 3rd shot, that they were trying to disarm an active shooter and not acting with ill will, they still have a massive problem. If the jury sees the shooting of Rosenbaum as self defense, rittenhouse getting attacked by 2 and 3 would also be justified self defense. Even if those people were acting as good citizens and trying to detain rittenhouse, he could still legally view their actions as an attack and use force to defend himself. That’s why it’s really stupid to get involved in things that don’t concern you.
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True. Also, if I remember the video correctly, there was a 4th person who was approaching Rittenhouse who immediately backed away and Rittenhouse showed restraint and didn't shoot him. Have to imagine the prosecution is going to have a hard time explaining that one away if they are pushing a lunatic with a gun theme.
 
whatluck said:
If he walks, Kenosha will burn and there will be no money left to give him.
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No one gives a darn about the pedo or Huber, there won’t be any violence from a not guilty verdict.

The case of Ahmaud Arbery is going on in GA right now, opening arguments and the first witness were Friday. That’s the trial getting national attention and that’s the trial the race hustlers are focused on in Kenosha 3 white guys were shot by a white guy. In GA the public information thus far looks like 3 white morons were chasing down a black guy. The son who was the shooter has also used the N word and should be pretty easy to portray as a racist. The jury there is also 11 white and 1 black.

If those 3 walk, very unlikely, or it’s a hung jury (possible), I wouldn’t be surprised at some riots in a few cities.
 
"Bicepless man" stated, through non appearing tears, that though he was carrying his Glock Gen4 G27 in his right hand he wouldn't have, couldn't have, shot Kyle due to his medical ethics as a paramedic.

So much fail. He was pursuing Kyle, unholstered his Glock, caliber was .40, wasn't sure if 'there was one in the chamber', thought Kyle was an 'active shooter' but, yet, however could never shoot in self defense. :oops:
 
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Rockrivr1 said:
True. Also, if I remember the video correctly, there was a 4th person who was approaching Rittenhouse who immediately backed away and Rittenhouse showed restraint and didn't shoot him. Have to imagine the prosecution is going to have a hard time explaining that one away if they are pushing a lunatic with a gun theme.
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Definitely. That’s something I’ve believed from a few days after the shooting when the videos and facts were getting out. Rittenhouse shot pedo rosenbaum 4 times but the shots were in 7/10ths of a second total. Then huber was shot once after he attacked rittenhouse and grosswhatever was shot once after trying to take the rifle and holding a handgun himself. So rittenhouse shot 3 people, each of whom came at him and his shots were very quick in time duration or singular. That doesn’t look like a gun toting yahoo who was random shooting people.

As you said, there were others who approached rittenhouse but didn’t attack or backed away and rittenhouse didn’t fire. He was dumb to go to Kenosha that night and made some other dumb choices including getting separated from his group but in the shooting instances he seemed to have been in control and restrained
 
Matt_SERE said:
"Bicepless man" stated, through non appearing tears, that though he was carrying his Glock Gen4 G27 in his right hand he wouldn't have, couldn't have, shot Kyle due to his medical ethics as a paramedic.

So much fail.
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He raised his right hand to take the oath so he still has a partially functioning bicep. He raised it like normal too which was surprising
 

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