17-year-old arrested in killing of 2 people in Kenosha

Rocco Mozz said:
Why would he leave his boys and go into hostile territory without back up!?!? Go in squads don’t be a hero and stray from the pack. That’s a big lapse in mental judgement by him being caught in this situation and playing Paul Kersey.
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I am going to say because he was 17 and did not dream it would come to that.
 
usp45ct said:
I am going to say because he was 17 and did not dream it would come to that.
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He was with another guy basically the entire time. Then, just prior to the first incident, the guy he was with vanished. You can see in the video, one second he is with Kyle, and a few seconds later, he's gone and the chase is on.

But no question, he was young and dumb and more than anything, naïve. He was out there wanting to help people and do good, and wasn't grasping that most of the people out there not only didn't want his help but viewed his actions as the opposite. Not until Rosenbum attacked him did this reality hit him.
 
Fixxah said:
Where is the trial being shown?
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on tv, court tv has it on some but the Aubrey trial in GA just started today so they are showing that as their main trail and only dropping in on the WI trial when the GA is on break.

online there are a number of sources to watch, google sear rittenhouse trial live and you’ll see plent of options. The first in the search is usually NPR so I’ve watched that. It’s only the trial, no commentary at all, breaks show nothing except a court in recess label.
 
Toast said:
The prosecution was going to have her state what a wonderful, non-violent person her nephew was, who was obviously running to get the gun away from Rittenhouse to protect others.

However, in the back and forth with the judge (out of view of the jury), the defense stated that if she were to say that, they were going to introduce Huber's court record where he was charged with assaulting his brother with a knife, threatening to "gut him like a pig", and and then threatening to burn down a house full of people.

At that point, the prosecutor, looking like he was sitting on something significantly smaller than his buttocks, decided to withdraw the line of questioning.
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I got to that part of the testimony a little after I posted. Right when the prosecution started saying they wanted the aunt to say what a choir boy he was I think we all knew what the defense would say they wanted it (the dead guys violent past). Amazing the prosecution believed the judge would allow a witness to claim he was an angel and not allow proven facts of his violence to be used to refute that.

Ive watch the entire trial thus far. I still haven’t heard a witness who hurt the defense much. The prosecution witnesses have either been neither positive or negative for the defense or helped the defense. That’s not how it’s supposed to go during the prosecution case lol
 
Dr_Scholl said:
That is one incompetent prosecution team lol.
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I definitely don’t think they’re great but the biggest issue isn’t their competence, it’s the facts of the case. The video and eye witnesses refute the narrative the prosecution is trying to paint.
 
Anyone else roll their eyes or laugh when the fat prosecutor said they consider Huber (2nd person shot after he twice assaulted rittenhouse with a skateboard and actually did grab the rifle but didn’t get control of it.) a “hero”

and it’s complete BS they considered the third person shot Grosskreutz a victim and didn’t record his interview and even though they issued a search warrant for his phone, they didn’t execute it because they viewed him as a victim. He could have volunteered the phone but he refused.
 
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Hoover said:
Anyone else roll their eyes or laugh when the fat prosecutor said they consider Huber (2nd person shot after he twice assaulted rittenhouse with a skateboard and actually did grab the rifle but didn’t get control of it.)

and it’s complete BS they considered the third person shot Grosskreutz a victim and didn’t record his interview and even though they issued a search warrant for his phone, they didn’t execute it because they viewed him as a victim. He could have volunteered the phone but he refused.
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If they referred to the deceased, shot by Kyle, as victims they are in contempt. There was a pretrial motion that the prosecutor lost stating that they couldn't. Victim status was the purpose of the damn trial. Also, that both parties had to refer to each other by first and last name or surname. Defense was allowed to call their own client Kyle. Nothing will happen but we'll see if the defense brings it up Monday.
 
Picton said:
Yeah, but I'm not going to blame him for that. I wouldn't either.

Besides, he probably couldn't fish it out of his pocket, with him having no bicep and all.
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I wouldn’t give up my phone either, I definitely have an issue with the cops declaring him a victim and not executing the warrant. The cops seem to have made up their minds extremely quickly and didn’t allow the facts to dictate the course of the investigation. They have a terrible case because they made up their mind before they knew even 1/2 the facts/evidence
 
Matt_SERE said:
If they referred to the deceased, shot by Kyle, as victims they are in contempt. There was a pretrial motion that the prosecutor lost stating that they couldn't. Victim status was the purpose of the damn trial. Also, that both parties had to refer to each other by first and last name or surname. Defense was allowed to call their own client Kyle. Nothing will happen but we'll see if the defense brings it up Monday.
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Outside the jury presence they called Huber a “hero” in the arguments about the aunts testimony. He was no hero.
 
Imagine you are the ADA and your boss the DA says you have to take this case on. Binger probably banged his head on his desk and said 'why me?'
No lawyer wants to take on a losing case. He doesn't want his name attached to this debacle either.
It's the DA who is wasting time and taxpayer money.
 
67ray said:
Imagine you are the ADA and your boss the DA says you have to take this case on. Binger probably banged his head on his desk and said 'why me?'
No lawyer wants to take on a losing case. He doesn't want his name attached to this debacle either.
It's the DA who is wasting time and taxpayer money.
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I've been thinking lightly on that issue.

Word is that prosecutors uniformly brag about their win ratio;
to the degree that they won't take a case they don't think is a lock.

And that they count any conviction as a "win" -
no matter how many legit/serious charges are traded away.


If so, what are the common practices inside the prosecutor's office
for dealing with visible-yet-loser cases...?
 
Hoover said:
I got to that part of the testimony a little after I posted. Right when the prosecution started saying they wanted the aunt to say what a choir boy he was I think we all knew what the defense would say they wanted it (the dead guys violent past). Amazing the prosecution believed the judge would allow a witness to claim he was an angel and not allow proven facts of his violence to be used to refute that.

Ive watch the entire trial thus far. I still haven’t heard a witness who hurt the defense much. The prosecution witnesses have either been neither positive or negative for the defense or helped the defense. That’s not how it’s supposed to go during the prosecution case lol
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For the record, each time you kick the jury out of the courtroom, you cast doubt on the prosecution automatically. The trial I was on back in college, we were kicked out at least twice that I remember and each time it was because the ADA kept putting on a sorcerer's hat and trying to forge a conviction with alchemy. The jury foreman was well aware of the room's mood and iterated that we were not to form judgement on account of this, but then sort of laughed to himself after saying it.
 
67ray said:
Imagine you are the ADA and your boss the DA says you have to take this case on. Binger probably banged his head on his desk and said 'why me?'
No lawyer wants to take on a losing case. He doesn't want his name attached to this debacle either.
It's the DA who is wasting time and taxpayer money.
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the fat ada Kraus seems all in on the case but the lead ada binger has seemed to be going through the motion from the start. The first few days in which he called and questioned rittenhouses friend, a reporter who was the closest to the rosenbaum shooting and another person there to provide security, his questions and the answers at times were very favorable to rittenhouse. Reading a transcript of the question and witness answer a person would assume it was a defense attorney who asked it and a defense witness on the stand.

you have to assume any person who provided security that night with rittenhouse is likely sympathetic to rittenhouses claim of self defense. Also you’d be crazy to not believe a long time employee of tucker carlson’s daily caller website would be very open to a self defense claim by rittenhouse. The questions binger asked them teed up answers which were very favorable for the defense.

I’m definitely not sure ada binger is a big fan of this case or the charges. I’m sure he definitely thinks rittenhouse couldn’t legally possess the rifle and would prosecute on that but I don’t think he’s on board ada kraus’s view Huber (2nd shot) was a “hero” and the crazed rosenbaum wasn’t attacking rittenhouse
 
AHM said:
I've been thinking lightly on that issue.

Word is that prosecutors uniformly brag about their win ratio;
to the degree that they won't take a case they don't think is a lock.

And that they count any conviction as a "win" -
no matter how many legit/serious charges are traded away.


If so, what are the common practices inside the prosecutor's office
for dealing with visible-yet-loser cases...?
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they arrested rittenhouse on these charges within hours, before a lot more evidence was known. It seems like instead of reassessing they dismissed the evidence which contradicted their narrative and continued with blinders on.
 
Hoover said:
they arrested rittenhouse on these charges within hours, before a lot more evidence was known. It seems like instead of reassessing they dismissed the evidence which contradicted their narrative and continued with blinders on.
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[thumbsup]
Even if the prosecution was competent and the evidence more to their liking,
I agree there's ample room for a heaping helping of hurr-durr in a case like this.


Meanwhile, in the PRM...

Criminal Procedure Rule 16: Dismissal by the prosecution

(Applicable to District Court and Superior Court)
www.mass.gov www.mass.gov

I suspect it boils down to high-stakes office politics.
If the chief prosecutor in the jurisdiction thinks a case is a hot potato,
and dumps it on a subordinate,
the subordinate could probably punt it unilaterally at the risk of their job.


On the other hand, that could be the opening salvo of a challenge
to the prosecutor at the next election.
"She fired me when I refused to prosecute an innocent person".
<Voters' ears prick up unexpectedly>.

The campaigns could devolve into a competition over
who can do a better job of selling a line of BS to the unwashed.
Which when you think about it,
means demonstrating one of a prosecutor's key job skills.
[shocked]


Not saying any of that is going on in Kenosha.
Jus' sayin'.
 
Hoover said:
they arrested rittenhouse on these charges within hours, before a lot more evidence was known. It seems like instead of reassessing they dismissed the evidence which contradicted their narrative and continued with blinders on.
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