17-year-old arrested in killing of 2 people in Kenosha

The Rosenbaum charge is is the one conviction we can't let survive if by chance the jury finds him guilty. Because it will create a giant loophole in self defense law that left wing prosecutors will use like a hammer on any self defense because they will use provocation as an excuse.

Suppose 5 guys break into my house and I pull out my trusty AR15 like Kyle. Two of the 5 figure they can rush me, disarm me and shoot me with my own weapon so they charge at me and try to take my gun so I shoot to end the threat. The other 3 guys run away. Later on I get arrested and charged with provocation by leveling a gun at them no matter the threat level that is involved in that moment. The 3 guys who ran away can say I provoked thier 2 friends by threatening them with a gun.

Our hope rests in the possibility that there is maybe one or more concealed carry holders on the jury who have a good understanding of self defense and not some idiotic Fudds who are using the weekend off jury duty to polish their 30-06.

If by chance Kyle does get found guilty then collectively as people of the gun we have to work super extra double hard to get that conviction overturned so that we are not setting a new legal precedent. The left knows they can't grab for the guns because the law and the constitution are on our side, but they can twist the law so that the gun is nothing more than a paperweight in a life or death situation. This is my takeaway from the Kyle Rittenhouse trial and the picture the prosecutor is trying to paint. "You used a gun to defend yourself? You provoked those poor innocent dindu nuffins to attack you out of desperation? You are such a bad person, it's murder!"

On the other hand if it does stand then the situation works in reverse. If BLM wants to riot and kill and the community puts together an even bigger crowd of people who burn down the BLM homes then they have no legal grounds for self defense.

The way I see it is I find myself raising a gun from low ready to ready I view one or more people as a threat. Maybe if I'm lucky the very presence of a gun will deter the criminals from going further and run away causing de-escalation, but with no self defent sort se permissible then it's just a crap shoot. If it stands there will be more trials like Kyles because the criminal class will feel emboldened to take on even armed citizens.

I think the best course of action is if the republicans really do care about the second amendment then let's rewrite the laws in the various states to prevent prosecutors from making the presence of a gun in a life or death situation not a disqualifier for self defense.
that sort of legal ruling would pretty force someone defending himself to "shoot first and ask questions later".

right now, you can use your gun in a way to "convince" someone to not jump you, simply by showing it! If doing that against a bona fide lethal threat gets you subsequently charged, why not just shoot instead?
 
I’m voting on a hung jury. There is just to many variables for them all to agree.

It wouldn't surprise me if that did happen. There are an awful lot of people who have zero understanding of self defense and how it works. If they vote to convict then chances are they will vote against their own self interests. Maybe they go their entire life without anything ever happening, maybe tomorrow is the day. But in any event a person who defends their own life would be treated the same exact way.
 
that sort of legal ruling would pretty force someone defending himself to "shoot first and ask questions later".

right now, you can use your gun in a way to "convince" someone to not jump you, simply by showing it! If doing that against a bona fide lethal threat gets you subsequently charged, why not just shoot instead?

I totally agree with you that this would be the end result because the leftoids that peddle this have no understanding whatsoever except to say if you're a white guy you're supposed to curl into a ball and die and if you're a special person in the victim hierarchy you can freely shoot.
 
EXCLUSIVE: Potential Witness Tampering as Gaige Grosskreutz, the Felon Who Aimed His Gun at Kyle Rittenhouse, Had Two Prior Charges Dismissed by Prosecutors Only Days Before Trial
 
Good thing he’s not in MA. Gotta pass a background check for a license. I wonder how that works? I don’t know anybody who’s licensed and has a felony conviction.
It’s an honesty question if you have a felony, you can still sit for your license. I know ALOT of felons who are licensed. You will be denied and sent in front of the board of examiners if you lie but I’m a sparky, I assume plumbing is the same.
 
Once the person was caught filming the jurors that should have been the end of the trial. I don't know the makeup of the trial but if you have one elderly person that will fear for their life the judge should have said it was jury tampering and closed it down.
Unfortunately that would probably be worse for the defense. If they get a mistrial not caused by the prosecution overstepping they can simply refile and not make the same mistakes they made the first time around. His only real chance is how badly the prosecution has screwed up this case from the start, and hopefully the jury can see through that and not just blindly convict to avoid backlash.
 
It’s an honesty question if you have a felony, you can still sit for your license. I know ALOT of felons who are licensed. You will be denied and sent in front of the board of examiners if you lie but I’m a sparky, I assume plumbing is the same.
True dat I once had the misfortune of knowing a sparky with 5 DUI’s and a few felonies. I always wondered how he still had his license.
 
It’s an honesty question if you have a felony, you can still sit for your license. I know ALOT of felons who are licensed. You will be denied and sent in front of the board of examiners if you lie but I’m a sparky, I assume plumbing is the same.

You can get a license as a plumber with felonies. I don't know the mechanics of it but I do know a guy who the military wouldn't take because of "Too many felonies" who then became a licensed plumber.
 
True. Also, if I remember the video correctly, there was a 4th person who was approaching Rittenhouse who immediately backed away and Rittenhouse showed restraint and didn't shoot him. Have to imagine the prosecution is going to have a hard time explaining that one away if they are pushing a lunatic with a gun theme.
That part is probably edited out already. This trial is nothing more than a lesson on how you get fvcked by dear leaders.
 
You can get a license as a plumber with felonies. I don't know the mechanics of it but I do know a guy who the military wouldn't take because of "Too many felonies" who then became a licensed plumber.
No you cannot. It is all part of applying for apprentice ticket etc. Maybe it is different now as opposed to 25 years ago, not positive. Not many tradesman coming up in the ranks and it is a job that pays really well.
 
No you cannot. It is all part of applying for apprentice ticket etc. Maybe it is different now as opposed to 25 years ago, not positive. Not many tradesman coming up in the ranks and it is a job that pays really well.
You must be grandfathered in then with some condition that if you get jammed up again you will lose your license. My many days in family court I saw judges threaten guys with the loss of professional licenses if they didn't catch up on child support, which seemed counterproductive because how do you catch up if you lose your job. A little advice, don't point out to the judge that even though your ex wife was thousands of dollars behind in support, I don't see you taking her real estate license and locking her up like you did with that fellow before us. She was not amused and threatened me with contempt.
 
True. Also, if I remember the video correctly, there was a 4th person who was approaching Rittenhouse who immediately backed away and Rittenhouse showed restraint and didn't shoot him. Have to imagine the prosecution is going to have a hard time explaining that one away if they are pushing a lunatic with a gun theme.
That part is probably edited out already. This trial is nothing more than a lesson on how you get fvcked by dear leaders.
There was the (never identified) black man who tried to kick him in the head, apparently Kyle fired two shots at him but didn't hit anybody?

Weird how the media, who are so set on calling Kyle a "White Supremacist" and how he shot "(white) Black Lives Matter protestors", has chosen to memory hole that dude. Almost as curious as how everybody ignores the first shooter.
 
He could work for UPS. We hire felons. I work with at least two level three sex offenders.
Has UPS changed? I remember them being a very strict company to work for. I had a friend whose father was a big wig in the security division and back in the 80s he said that they had zero tolerance for that type of shenanigans.
 
Sex offenders have levels, like video games?
The final boss...

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No you cannot. It is all part of applying for apprentice ticket etc. Maybe it is different now as opposed to 25 years ago, not positive. Not many tradesman coming up in the ranks and it is a job that pays really well.

I'm not going to bother checking their sources but this suggests it varies by state, but having a record is not necessarily a deal breaker getting a professional license.
 
It’s an honesty question if you have a felony, you can still sit for your license. I know ALOT of felons who are licensed. You will be denied and sent in front of the board of examiners if you lie but I’m a sparky, I assume plumbing is the same.
Yes, we are all licensed under the state. There are a lot of jobs that are licensed with state. From Trades to barbers to doctors.👍🏻
 
EXCLUSIVE: Potential Witness Tampering as Gaige Grosskreutz, the Felon Who Aimed His Gun at Kyle Rittenhouse, Had Two Prior Charges Dismissed by Prosecutors Only Days Before Trial
f***IN SCUMBAGS!!!
 
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