17-year-old arrested in killing of 2 people in Kenosha

[Baby Billy]

The jury needs to decide the facts, a person not at the event can’t tell a jury what they see.

If the prosecution really stresses that video and blurry picture, I think it hurts the prosecution. No one can look at those and see anything at all. Even if someone says that right there is a rifle and points to it directly, no one can see it at all. If the push those images I think it turns the jury off because they’ll view it as disingenuous

The prosecution simply doesn't play videos for the jury, do they? Or do they plan on using the video during closing arguments?

 

[safetyfirst2125]

The left is going to burn shit down. Again.

Stay frosty.


View: https://twitter.com/jsolomonreports/status/1459328663384645637?s=21

 

[rommel]

With all these "lesser included charges" being added, easy to see the jurors caving on some of these just to avoid a hung jury and also to feel like maybe the mob won't hunt them down and burn them out if they can just find Kyle guilty of something.

ironically, perhaps they would have to defend their life one day against a mob

 

[Baby Billy]

The left is going to burn shit down. Again.

Stay frosty.


View: https://twitter.com/jsolomonreports/status/1459328663384645637?s=21

I got a great deal on a gently charred 2010 F150 at Car Source on Kenosha (the one on 63rd, not the other one, and not Car Doctor) but it won't be ready for delivery until December. They better not go near it!

 

[GaryO]

The jury problem seems like the largest issue here, They are not being protected, are not being sequestered, and there have been several obvious threats made publicly without any sort of response. After the trial, should they deliver a verdict the burn loot murder crowd doesn't approve of they are in real danger, and they likely know it already. It wouldn't surprise me if they suck for some kind of "We will let him go on the murder charge, but we have to get him on something or a couple somethings just to keep ourselves safe." and really f*** him over because of the threats.

Once the person was caught filming the jurors that should have been the end of the trial. I don't know the makeup of the trial but if you have one elderly person that will fear for their life the judge should have said it was jury tampering and closed it down.

 

[Wooderson]

 

[Waher]

View: https://twitter.com/2Aupdates/status/1459328411088957448

 

[Rockrivr1]

I’m voting on a hung jury. There is just to many variables for them all to agree.

 

[Path-Finder]

Time for a mostly peaceful protest?

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[Picton]

The prosecution simply doesn't play videos for the jury, do they? Or do they plan on using the video during closing arguments?

It's already been introduced as evidence and shown to the jury. I think today was about how much weight the judge is going to instruct the jury to give to that evidence.

 

[Hoover]

What do you suppose the defense is going to do that is illegal?

Mention he didn’t give a statement, etc. they’re going to violate his rights again because these two prosecutors are unethical scumbags

 

[Hoover]

The prosecution simply doesn't play videos for the jury, do they? Or do they plan on using the video during closing arguments?

That’s all they did at the end of their case with that blurry picture, showed it to them with no one on the stand

 

[Spanz]

 

[Hoover]

View: https://twitter.com/2Aupdates/status/1459328411088957448

It’s an unquestionable fact it’s not a short barrel rifle so if they do come back with guilty for that, the judge should automatically toss the verdict and find him not guilty of that.

 

[Sweeney]

Why tacticool it? We're talking shotguns. How about a 75 year old Ithaca 37 that can slam fire? Sounds like winning to me, unless you're on cleanup. How are you gonna argue the extra killyness of a wood stocked, blued shotgun? Unless you're a liberal idiot (I repeat myself)


I actually find slam fire to be mildly fun but stupid.

With or without the bayonet?

 

[VetteGirlMA]

This is why I'm not terribly concerned about its effect on the jury. Many of the jurors will look at that and, even as they're straining to be objective, realize it shows nada. Their only choice will be to disregard it.

As for the outcome, I think @VetteGirlMA nails it above. The Rosenbaum shooting is the only one he needs to be concerned about. At least, I hope so: if he's in serious trouble on the other two, his case is truly hopeless. I expect a hung jury on Rosenbaum, at worst (for Kyle). Or maybe some lesser conviction, but I'm not clear on what those lesser charges are.

The Rosenbaum charge is is the one conviction we can't let survive if by chance the jury finds him guilty. Because it will create a giant loophole in self defense law that left wing prosecutors will use like a hammer on any self defense because they will use provocation as an excuse.

Suppose 5 guys break into my house and I pull out my trusty AR15 like Kyle. Two of the 5 figure they can rush me, disarm me and shoot me with my own weapon so they charge at me and try to take my gun so I shoot to end the threat. The other 3 guys run away. Later on I get arrested and charged with provocation by leveling a gun at them no matter the threat level that is involved in that moment. The 3 guys who ran away can say I provoked thier 2 friends by threatening them with a gun.

Our hope rests in the possibility that there is maybe one or more concealed carry holders on the jury who have a good understanding of self defense and not some idiotic Fudds who are using the weekend off jury duty to polish their 30-06.

If by chance Kyle does get found guilty then collectively as people of the gun we have to work super extra double hard to get that conviction overturned so that we are not setting a new legal precedent. The left knows they can't grab for the guns because the law and the constitution are on our side, but they can twist the law so that the gun is nothing more than a paperweight in a life or death situation. This is my takeaway from the Kyle Rittenhouse trial and the picture the prosecutor is trying to paint. "You used a gun to defend yourself? You provoked those poor innocent dindu nuffins to attack you out of desperation? You are such a bad person, it's murder!"

On the other hand if it does stand then the situation works in reverse. If BLM wants to riot and kill and the community puts together an even bigger crowd of people who burn down the BLM homes then they have no legal grounds for self defense.

The way I see it is I find myself raising a gun from low ready to ready I view one or more people as a threat. Maybe if I'm lucky the very presence of a gun will deter the criminals from going further and run away causing de-escalation, but with no self defense permissible then it's just a crap shoot. If it stands there will be more trials like Kyles because the criminal class will feel emboldened to take on even armed citizens.

I think the best course of action is if the republicans really do care about the second amendment then let's rewrite the laws in the various states to prevent prosecutors from making the presence of a gun in a life or death situation not a disqualifier for self defense.

 

[Rcr121]

 

[pupchow]

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Gold.

 

[widnerkj]

I hope after all the dust settles on this. Kyle heads over to the Navy recruiter, and signs up to be a FMF corpsman.

 

[alan226]

I’m voting on a hung jury. There is just to many variables for them all to agree.

That is actually one of my great fears. A hung jury will equal new trial.
Say what you will about this judge, he has over all been more accomodationg to the defense.

A new judge and a more competent DA may not be a good thing....

 

[AHM]

I remember when ... I said this kid was an absolute retard for doing what he did. And everybody had thier pitchforks out chasing me around ... Now, the act of him defending himself is undesputible, he clearly did and take out a few of societies worst. Look at what’s happening today with all this lesser charge BS and whatever tactical decisions his attorneys are making allowing it to happen.

As soon as the narrative got out that
he was a minor crossing state lines
to flounce around open-carrying serious firepower
to protect the used car lots of total strangers for free...
...total strangers whom we saw deny him under oath
like Peter denying Christ 3x before the cock crows...
...it should have been obvious to the most casual NES observer
that Kyle had been playing stupid games,
and was gonna win stupid prizes.

This was my fear from day 1, him ruining his life and relying on our justice system.

He may beat the rap,
but the entire world is watching him
get the ride that can't be beat.

Let’s say he beats original charges and is found guilty of lesser (murder) charges, his life is screwed. What if he gets a minimum 5 years or even more in the big house? We all know what that means…PP, no career in any kind of public service like Fire or EMT which he clearly likes, and a lifetime of PTSD. We all saw him break down with that panic attack. That was not fake or staged, that is the worst of the worst when it comes to anxiety and panic. He has that shit for Life!

It's actually easy for us on NES to overstate some of the impact on him,
even as we may not fully grasp the fuzzier consequences.

He is in such deep crap that being an FPP
or being unsuitable for a first responder job
may be the least of his worries.

God grant that the vast majority of NESers
who only carry guns for self-defense
(and not hunting or target-practice or other avocations)
go to their grave not actually having to use their guns
to protect their loved ones or their nation.

He might be someone who might never have needed
the guns that a post-conviction FPP brand will deny him.

And plenty of people make a living without being employed as cops/fire/EMS.

But OTOH I agree that he could be in for a hard road
with PTSD (or civil judgments) no matter the criminal outcome.

We can admire his generous spirit and marksmanship
and detest his ordeal
even as we deplore his prudence.

I really wish this kid just went home after cleaning graffiti instead of mixing it up with the idiots. I hope he beats all this shit and can afford what comes after the criminal trial if he’s not guilty.

This.

I was listening to whoever was filling in for Howie Carr tonight and he quoted Keith Langer, it was something like if Rittenhouse was such a racist in a target rich environment he wasn't very good.

I just posted a summary and audio link over in this post.

I got a great deal on a gently charred 2010 F150 at Car Source on Kenosha (the one on 63rd, not the other one, and not Car Doctor) but it won't be ready for delivery until December. They better not go near it!

A.k.a. "ire roasted".

A group on a messaging platform favored by extremists has posted the home address of the prosecutor in the Kyle Rittenhouse case.

ETA:
If the prosecutor does get some unwanted feedback,
the Left will proclaim that it's go-time.

The Rosenbaum charge is is the one conviction we can't let survive if by chance the jury finds him guilty. Because it will create a giant loophole in self defense law ... collectively as people of the gun we have to work super extra double hard to get that conviction overturned so that we are not setting a new legal precedent.

When you said you lived in Western Mass,
I didn't realize you meant that far west.

 

[Cipher]

View attachment 541968

Gonna frame this no joke.

 

[KBCraig]

only if its hollow point

No, then it "explodes inside the body", according to the prosecutor.

 

[Matt_SERE]

Today's summary over jury instructions, lesser included, and the enhanced video.

Watch on utube. Legal Insurrection/Andrew Branca/Law of Self Defense


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGYq1ZBhH3w

Text summary from above with the vdieos added.

Rittenhouse Trial Day 9: Prosecution Big Win On “Provocation” Jury Instruction Saves Chance At Conviction

Lacking any factual rebuttal to self-defense, the State will argue that Kyle Rittenhouse was a "provoker with intent" eliminating self-defense privilege under Wisconsin law that cannot be regained by withdrawal from the fight.

legalinsurrection.com

 

[maltc]

footage completely debunking the provocation accusation. According to comments it has been sent to Kyles lawyers…. Now we wait and hope they don’t f this up.



View: https://twitter.com/defnotdarth/status/1459296231574888448?s=21

 

[knoxy]

The judge has been Gotten To. As has the jury.

I hate it when that happens!

 

[NHCraigT]

Liberals Accuse Rittenhouse Of Trying To Avoid Punishment Through Legal Loophole Known As 'Trial'

KENOSHA, WI—Leftists are sounding the alarm that Kyle Rittenhouse—a notorious slayer of white communist pedophiles—may escape punishment through a little-known legal loophole known as a "trial."

babylonbee.com

KENOSHA, WI—Leftists are sounding the alarm that Kyle Rittenhouse—a notorious slayer of white communist pedophiles—may escape punishment through a little-known legal loophole known as a "trial."

"This is very concerning," said Chip Cordray, progressive legal expert covering the case. "Using this obscure loophole, Rittenhouse's fate will be decided by an impartial jury of peers based on evidence, rather than the whims of noble communist revolutionaries on Twitter—such as Bette Midler and Joe Biden."

Experts confirm that if Rittenhouse is found "not guilty," liberals won't be getting their way, which could lead to massive temper-tantrums, such as arson and looting.

"We can't let this happen," said Cordray. "It's time to talk about closing the 'trial' loophole so that justice can be done according to the whims of the leftist mob, as our founding fathers intended."

(Remember this is satire)

 

[SgtHal75]

As soon as the narrative got out that
he was a minor crossing state lines
to flounce around open-carrying serious firepower
to protect the used car lots of total strangers for free...
...total strangers whom we saw deny him under oath
like Peter denying Christ 3x before the cock crows...
...it should have been obvious to the most casual NES observer
that Kyle had been playing stupid games,
and was gonna win stupid prizes.


He may beat the rap,
but the entire world is watching him
get the ride that can't be beat.


It's actually easy for us on NES to overstate some of the impact on him,
even as we may not fully grasp the fuzzier consequences.

He is in such deep crap that being an FPP
or being unsuitable for a first responder job
may be the least of his worries.

God grant that the vast majority of NESers
who only carry guns for self-defense
(and not hunting or target-practice or other avocations)
go to their grave not actually having to use their guns
to protect their loved ones or their nation.

He might be someone who might never have needed
the guns that a post-conviction FPP brand will deny him.

And plenty of people make a living without being employed as cops/fire/EMS.

But OTOH I agree that he could be in for a hard road
with PTSD (or civil judgments) no matter the criminal outcome.

We can admire his generous spirit and marksmanship
and detest his ordeal
even as we deplore his prudence.


This.


I just posted a summary and audio link over in this post.


A.k.a. "ire roasted".

ETA:
If the prosecutor does get some unwanted feedback,
the Left will proclaim that it's go-time.


When you said you lived in Western Mass,
I didn't realize you meant that far west.

Your the multi- quote guy!. When I do it it’s because I post with my phone combined with auto correct and sauseegie fingers.

I knew from day 1 this kid was screwed and it’s a shame. I know there’s other jobs out there but if he’s a convicted felon good luck with finding a job. He better get used to tools or open up a business ( if there are any by the time Biden is done). And if this kids convicted he can never own a gun, vote, be coach for his future kids sports teams, etc etc. Even if he serves an average of 10 years on any of the charges he will get out of prison and only be 28, his whole life is ahead of him and a lot of his freedoms are gone forever.

 

[71montess]

Your the multi- quote guy!. When I do it it’s because I post with my phone combined with auto correct and sauseegie fingers.

I knew from day 1 this kid was screwed and it’s a shame. I know there’s other jobs out there but if he’s a convicted felon good luck with finding a job. He better get used to tools or open up a business ( if there are any by the time Biden is done). And if this kids convicted he can never own a gun, vote, be coach for his future kids sports teams, etc etc. Even if he serves an average of 10 years on any of the charges he will get out of prison and only be 28, his whole life is ahead of him and a lot of his freedoms are gone forever.

Become a plumber and make an easy $150,000. Or more.

 

[SgtHal75]

Become a plumber and make an easy $150,000. Or more.

Good thing he’s not in MA. Gotta pass a background check for a license. I wonder how that works? I don’t know anybody who’s licensed and has a felony conviction.