A request for @Admin

42! said:
That moves the question away from payment to what does @Admin want the site to be?
I certainly don't speak for him, but I like it being a smaller regional site, plus those with ties back to the area. I don't want it to be become a shit show of members from across the world with no connection back to the area. I wouldn't support excluding them, but no reason to scream "come on in" to every troll in every corner of the world.
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I think we found our new border czar gentleman
 
VTski4x4 said:
I offered you two solutions. Just because you don't like the options doesn't mean they aren't just that. You did just prove you aren't looking for solutions though, you just want to bitch.
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This conversation is bigger than me. But I guess reading comprehension is a challenge for you. I'm glad you have no issue giving money to companies that hate you. I make no such compromises to my morality in the name of convenance.

Tell me, how much did you donate to the Harris campaign this year?
 
ThePreBanMan said:
This conversation is bigger than me. But I guess reading comprehension is a challenge for you. I'm glad you have no issue giving money to companies that hate you. I make no such compromises to my morality in the name of convenance.

Tell me, how much did you donate to the Harris campaign this year?
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You spend plenty of money with companies that hate you, you just aren't smart enough to realize that. Have a credit card? Debit card? Bank account? Motor vehicle? Electricity in your house? Insurance? Yeah guess what, they all hate you.
 
ThePreBanMan said:
You've never had it happen to you I take it.... I have....
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A couple times.
I had the DOR seize every penny I had, just to say "that appears to be our mistake..". Eventually I got it all back, 10 days, and that's with no access to any account or credit card. I got the money back, minus the bank fees for the DOR seizing the accounts in the first place.
Had a check clear with a couple extra zeros, made a phone call, bank credited me the funds "pending investigation". Never heard back so I guess they worked it out. Either that or there is still a 15+ years long investigation going on.

I know it's harder if you are scammed and allow a charge. A family member got scammed for $40K (he's older and has memory problems, should have cut off his access to his account earlier). What makes that difficult is that legally he did authorize the e-check, so the bank's options are limited. By the time the bank could legally do anything, the money was gone.

So ya, I've had my issues, I dealt with them. They go much quicker if you push through the process and not bitch about how unfair it is and how much work it is. Both are true, but it does no good when you're goal is fixing the situation.
 
42! said:
A couple times.
I had the DOR seize every penny I had, just to say "that appears to be our mistake..". Eventually I got it all back, 10 days, and that's with no access to any account or credit card. I got the money back, minus the bank fees for the DOR seizing the accounts in the first place.
Had a check clear with a couple extra zeros, made a phone call, bank credited me the funds "pending investigation". Never heard back so I guess they worked it out. Either that or there is still a 15+ years long investigation going on.

I know it's harder if you are scammed and allow a charge. A family member got scammed for $40K (he's older and has memory problems, should have cut off his access to his account earlier). What makes that difficult is that legally he did authorize the e-check, so the bank's options are limited. By the time the bank could legally do anything, the money was gone.

So ya, I've had my issues, I dealt with them. They go much quicker if you push through the process and not bitch about how unfair it is and how much work it is. Both are true, but it does no good when you're goal is fixing the situation.
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Or.... and here's another idea.... you could just avoid all those headaches with some small changes in behavior...
 
VTski4x4 said:
You spend plenty of money with companies that hate you, you just aren't smart enough to realize that. Have a credit card? Debit card? Bank account? Motor vehicle? Electricity in your house? Insurance? Yeah guess what, they all hate you.
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I'm not going to get into a debate about where I spend my money, with someone who has no idea where I spend my money. I don't feed trolls. Your personal insults aren't going to goat me into such either. So try someone else. I have no interest in entertaining your desire to engage in conflict to fill whatever void or lack of satisfaction exists in your life. I have an ignore list for folks like that.
 
ProGun said:
Agree 100%...been using those for years now. I still write and mail some checks, though alot less than I used to...
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I needed a check for a rental deposit recently, problem was, I haven't seen my checkbook in over a decade. Was going to get a bank check but apparently they can now print a page of 4 checks on demand at the counter for $1.00 Given how often I use checks, this is great. No need to have a box of checks laying around that could get stolen.
 
42! said:
BTW just mailing cash, well packed, isn't likely to get stolen. It's not like you're sending a huge stack internationally.
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jaypap said:
Just put a twenty dollar bill in a piece of paper and mail it.

Then come back bitch about your time and gas to get to the Post Office. The cost of stamp, blank paper and envelope. Oops almost forgot boycotting the Post Office because you're not allowed to carry there. Use a mailbox by the side of the road.

It's a lot easier than you think.
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Just put a $20 bill in a folded piece of letter sized paper in an envelope and mail it, the very worst (and highly unlikely) scenario is you're out $20. FFS
 
While he is waiting for someone to pay for his membership, PBM is overlooking the water at his house on West Island waiting for his Lucid to charge.

As mentioned, just slip some money in an envelope and send it on it's way.
 
42! said:
A couple times.
I had the DOR seize every penny I had, just to say "that appears to be our mistake..". Eventually I got it all back, 10 days, and that's with no access to any account or credit card. I got the money back, minus the bank fees for the DOR seizing the accounts in the first place.
Had a check clear with a couple extra zeros, made a phone call, bank credited me the funds "pending investigation". Never heard back so I guess they worked it out. Either that or there is still a 15+ years long investigation going on.

I know it's harder if you are scammed and allow a charge. A family member got scammed for $40K (he's older and has memory problems, should have cut off his access to his account earlier). What makes that difficult is that legally he did authorize the e-check, so the bank's options are limited. By the time the bank could legally do anything, the money was gone.

So ya, I've had my issues, I dealt with them. They go much quicker if you push through the process and not bitch about how unfair it is and how much work it is. Both are true, but it does no good when you're goal is fixing the situation.
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ThePreBanMan said:
Or.... and here's another idea.... you could just avoid all those headaches with some small changes in behavior...
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I can't wait to hear this. How exactly was I supposed to prevent the DOR from making a mistake? They admitted it was their mistake and there was no reason for it.
Or prevent some idiot in the process chain from typing a couple extra zeros, the check was otherwise legit.

This should be good.
 
42! said:
I can't wait to hear this. How exactly was I supposed to prevent the DOR from making a mistake? They admitted it was their mistake and there was no reason for it.
Or prevent some idiot in the process chain from typing a couple extra zeros, the check was otherwise legit.

This should be good.
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IDK what you could do about DOR, in your anecdotal edge case. But let's not pretend identity and financial theft isn't a think - okay. Let's similarly not pretend that one can't harden themselves against such with some simple behaviors. It's intellectually dishonest to even imply such.
 
I use PayPal because it’s convenient but would also support a method of online payment that isn’t openly anti-2A. I think OPs position wouldn’t be such a controversial take if he was a green member and then started this thread.
 
deerdad said:
You must not have been on the list. Everyone was supposed to have their membership taken care of by a member when Karen Read walked.
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IDK that she walked - they are going to retry the case aren't they?

I know not of what you speak.

I'm not asking for nor want anyone to pay my membership.

This conversation is larger than one individual membership. It's about not using a company that works against our interests. It's about reducing risk since taking payment for this membership technically violates their documented terms of service and use. They could - for example - cancel this place tomorrow. It's about modernizing and aligning with the 2nd amendment community at large. Making membership easier...

I mean Jim Wallace from GOAL wasn't even a member here - cuz PayPal... I think someone ended up picking up his membership, but he refused to use PayPal. I agree with him. Point being, it's not like I'm alone here folks.... There are people who are not members, simply because of the chosen payment option... Expanding the options to include companies that are friendly to our cause, is good for the community at large.

When your chosen payment option closes out membership to the largest civil rights org in the state of MA.... that's a problem.... IDK why some here have such problems digesting that in their minds...
 
ThePreBanMan said:
IDK what you could do about DOR, in your anecdotal edge case. But let's not pretend identity and financial theft isn't a think - okay. Let's similarly not pretend that one can't harden themselves against such with some simple behaviors. It's intellectually dishonest to even imply such.
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You said
Or.... and here's another idea.... you could just avoid all those headaches with some small changes in behavior...
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So how about you put up or shut up, and not just divert AGAIN.

And it's not anecdotal, it's fact. Fist hand knowledge.
 
42! said:
You said

So how about you put up or shut up, and not just divert AGAIN.

And it's not anecdotal, it's fact. Fist hand knowledge.
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I'm not disputing any of that. I'm not diverting. You're using your edge case as justification for your position that mailing checks is a secure transaction. I disagree. Your edge case does not change my mind. In fact, your case of the extra zeros on the check only makes my own argument stronger. That could be entirely avoided - wait for it - by not paying by check...

I think that counts as a "put up" BTW... since you asked.
 
ThePreBanMan said:
IDK that she walked - they are going to retry the case aren't they?

I know not of what you speak.

I'm not asking for nor want anyone to pay my membership.

This conversation is larger than one individual membership. It's about not using a company that works against our interests. It's about reducing risk since taking payment for this membership technically violates their documented terms of service and use. They could - for example - cancel this place tomorrow. It's about modernizing and aligning with the 2nd amendment community at large. Making membership easier...

I mean Jim Wallace from GOAL wasn't even a member here - cuz PayPal... I think someone ended up picking up his membership, but he refused to use PayPal. I agree with him. Point being, it's not like I'm alone here folks.... There are people who are not members, simply because of the chosen payment option... Expanding the options to include companies that are friendly to our cause, is good for the community at large.

When your chosen payment option closes out membership to the largest civil rights org in the state of MA.... that's a problem.... IDK why some here have such problems digesting that in their minds...
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But there are options, check or MO, so not a problem
 
ThePreBanMan said:
I'm not going to get into a debate about where I spend my money, with someone who has no idea where I spend my money. I don't feed trolls. Your personal insults aren't going to goat me into such either. So try someone else. I have no interest in entertaining your desire to engage in conflict to fill whatever void or lack of satisfaction exists in your life. I have an ignore list for folks like that.
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