Ammo as an investment

[IPSC_DRL]

Wait, so I SHOULDN'T have ammunition for guns I don't even own............... yet.

 

[drgrant]

So a gun guy passes away and his stockpile of ammo goes cheap in an estate sale. And an FFL cashes in.

That is probably what is going to happen to most of OUR ammo stashes her on NES.

Anything that gets sold for estate sale $$$ was most likely not a good investment. Because that is what the people buying it are doing, making a short term "investment".

So? WGAF. I (or wheover) will be dead and not care. The whole win of stockpiling is so you can shoot normally while everyone else is running around armflapping in hysterics during the next ammo panic.

 

[drgrant]

Ammo is a stable investment, but not one with a high return over time relevant to the market.

It's not great as a pure monetary investment but compared to the shitty guns and other things people usually buy it stores value incredibly well vs time.

 

[Coda]

So? WGAF. I (or wheover) will be dead and not care. The whole win of stockpiling is so you can shoot normally while everyone else is running around armflapping in hysterics during the next ammo panic.

LOL........... You must not have kids just like me. Because if I did then I would actually GAF what I was leaving behind.

 

[Sterg]

Trying to get .32 ACP when there’s a drought is almost impossible. I panic bought PMC Bronze JHP for $50 a box once…..ONCE!

 

[drgrant]

LOL........... You must not have kids just like me. Because if I did then I would actually GAF what I was leaving behind.

If I had kids what I was leaving them (or wanted them to have) wouldnt be dependent on my ammo stash or the value of the guns etc.

Also if it bothers you that much, you should have recruited people to help your kids take care of that issue if the time ever comes around.

TBH decedents unless theyre greedball retards dont give a f*** about what your ammo is worth. If you want to do them a favor make
arrangements so theyre not burdened wtith the disbursement of the stuff. (just saying, based on what I've seen from the view of people
buying estates and dealing with those clients. ) it's another annoying burden for them to deal with when someoone passes. Unburden
them by setting it up so someone else deals with it. will says "uncle charlie and if hes dead, his son" get my ammo (or something like that).
You can have an attorney rig it up any way you want in a will.

Honestly id rather just leave my crap to my friends than people who wont appreciate it. Then my friends can keep or sell it or
shoot/stash it for their own uses.

 

[67ray]

The answer to the OP is: No

Have a look at the S&P 500 index for the last 3, 6, or 12 months whatever. As it was said here ammo is an insurance policy not an investment.

Hope y'all are smarter with your retirement savings

 

[drgrant]

I learned that lesson after the Clinton era ammo and reloading component panic.

I haven't been impacted by any of the shortages since then.

I don't buy ammo for the specific reason to sell it for a profit later.

Every time there is a shortage I keep doubling the buffer.

 

[CMEBoston]

So? WGAF. I (or wheover) will be dead and not care. The whole win of stockpiling is so you can shoot normally while everyone else is running around armflapping in hysterics during the next ammo panic.

It also just gives that warm aura having it around

 

[drgrant]

The answer to the OP is: No

Have a look at the S&P 500 index for the last 3, 6, or 12 months whatever. As it was said here ammo is an insurance policy not an investment.

Hope y'all are smarter with your retirement savings

Well, if you could predict the cycle, and store enough ammo you could win... but good luck with that. Also to make "real money" you're going to need to be storing
pallets of shit. If you don't have a forklift and a warehouse, none of this works. even then the storage costs are going to eat into your profit eventually unless you
have cheap real estate where it can stay dry and not get absurd temperature excursions.

 

[Rockrivr1]

Hope y'all are smarter with your retirement savings

Yep, solid retirement plan with investments and 401k. The ammo thing is just something else and fun!

 

[mu2bdriver]

It's still not going to be life changing money off of one or two cases

This. In order to make life-changing money, the up front capital costs would be so extreme that it would take years to recovery to be back to zero, all the while you're digging a bigger hole as you accumulate more and manage it more. That said, I barter lots of ammo that I bought over the last ten years that has increased in value by maybe 50%, but even then, it's more out of convenience and cash flow management than huge profits. Another thing to keep in mind is that 9mm WWB at Walmart in 2008-ish was $20 and today New Republic at TSUSA is about $21 so if you went all in on 9mm, look at that potential return over ~15 years.

 

[Uzi2]

If you need one of these to move parts of your stash around, you're shittin in high cotton.

 

[Road_Clam]

A comfortably excessive inventory of ammo (or reloading components) does not define a "cash" surplus. It defines future "shooting independence" IMO.

 

[Mark from ?]

Yep, solid retirement plan with investments and 401k. The ammo thing is just something else and fun!

Nothing is more easy than that stock market that I can think of...... if you feel like selling.....you can obtain liquidity faster than anything out there without storing or having to keep safe anything pretty much. A few clicks of the mouse and i netted 3 grand profit end of year tax loss harvesting and rebalancing from one of my portfolio's the other day. No work, no BS, no storage, no paperwork, nothing really. Same thing with BTC....scabbed the initial investment money off of it because it doubled, and now the investment is all house money. . But zero work except throwing money in and hoping.

Ammo, Land, Cars...etc....you have to find buyers if you want to liquidate the investment. Takes time....and effort to store, manage, find buyers, market and sell these things. Storage is money and time. Guns/Ammo also carry the pain of having to have licenses, and permits, and regulations....and spouses and others having no idea what the fxck to do with them if you happen to stroke out one day. Then tend to just give or sell them away as fast and as cheaply as possible because they have no fxcking idea and don't want to deal with it.

Like every investment you have to buy low and sell high. If you plan around that...and have room for storage....you can make a good buck when everyone is scared and everyone freaks out.

Just know....there were people buying cases of 9mm at 50 cents a round during the Covidscare thinking it was going to 1.00. Now its .20 cents and will likely be going down. Ask those people about how they are doing? And how long they might have to sit on that shit to make a return or even break even.
I bought no ammo during that time at all.....and sold a few cases to people who were scared and made double. But in no way would I consider that "investing". A pallet or more is investing......

I figured eventually it would come down and now I'm starting to stack it again. But with no intention of selling.

Now is a half decent time to buy if your going to do it. Or if you have a niche market and know what calibers continually go up year over year.

 

[Twigg]

One can never have too much ammo. I've sold a metric crapload here and I'm still having issues finding room for more.

 

[jaypap]

Remember the old saying "you will wish you had more when they come for you".

 

[45BPCR]

I've been selling ammo these days.
I peddled a bunch of GP-11, 30-06 M2 ball, 7.62X54 silver and yellow tip.
Ammo is not an investment
The old saying of buy it cheap and stack it deep is a little bit comical.
Ammo prices for common calibers is pretty cheap right now.
Odd ball calibers like 7.5X55 Swiss are catch if you can.

Folks here need to learn how to roll their own.

 

[DW357]

when I do sell I expect I’ll clear into the 5 figure area. Not bad for letting something sit.

5 figure in profit?

 

[Trafficdiver]

That's a great idea. I'm going to buy more.

 

[DW357]

I've been selling ammo these days.
I peddled a bunch of GP-11, 30-06 M2 ball, 7.62X54 silver and yellow tip.
Ammo is not an investment
The old saying of buy it cheap and stack it deep is a little bit comical.
Ammo prices for common calibers is pretty cheap right now.
Odd ball calibers like 7.5X55 Swiss are catch if you can.

Folks here need to learn how to roll their own.

Yup. I have probably 200 rounds of GP-11 left but I have a ton of my 7.5x55 reloads on hand. On top of a ton of primers and powder.

 

[DW357]

I’ve never looked at ammo or reloading components as investments. Just want to have enough to last a long ass time and not be affected by shortages and panics.

I have quite a few cases of 7.62x39 ammo that if I sold today I could probably net over $2k in profit. Ok…I’ll blow that in a month on bills. Then what? As others said you need a warehouse of ammo for it to be worthwhile as an investment

 

[Mark from ?]

I've been selling ammo these days.
I peddled a bunch of GP-11, 30-06 M2 ball, 7.62X54 silver and yellow tip.
Ammo is not an investment
The old saying of buy it cheap and stack it deep is a little bit comical.
Ammo prices for common calibers is pretty cheap right now.
Odd ball calibers like 7.5X55 Swiss are catch if you can.

Folks here need to learn how to roll their own.

There is savings in rolling your own....for sure...especially if you shoot larger calibers.

But like anything else....there are people that bought primers and components at sky high prices too.

Then there are people that reload infrequently like me a bought 8 pounders of Unique at like 150 a piece. Now its unobtainium..... so I aint selling it either.

Roll of the dice......

 

[drgrant]

Folks here need to learn how to roll their own.

That's certainly worth doing but it's also worth knowing that over the whole covaids interval Reloaders that were not prepared suffered infinitely worse than people just buying commercial ammo did. Primers and powder were often completely unobtainium.

/Prepared/ reloaders? (Like many around here) Different story. But if anything is a class most of those guys get smart about laying in extra materials (esp primers and powder) the same way those of us just buying commercial keep doubling our buys every time we can afford to do so.

 

[Rockrivr1]

5 figure in profit?

Yea, after taking out my cost to buy. I only buy if I can get a deal and it happens from time to time.

 

[Toast]

So a gun guy passes away and his stockpile of ammo goes cheap in an estate sale. And an FFL cashes in.

That is probably what is going to happen to most of OUR ammo stashes her on NES.

Or, you can add to your list of "who gets which firearm" a note such as "Bob gets the .22 Winchester plus 25% of the ammo I have for it, Bill gets the Ruger Mk IV plus the rest of the .22LR".

 

[btnh6668]

The ammo I sold during covid bought me 3 veprs and a Chinese underfolder. Cases were bought at $163 a case from target and I was selling them for $500ish which was a "steal" to the buyer since 9mm was selling at almost $40 a box at the time. I had enough to wait it out. Now I'm stocking up again on 9mm at $3 more per box. Not great but well worth it for what I got.

 

[peterk123]

sh!t hit the fan situation and ammo is more valuable than gold. Only thing more valuable is water. Scratch that. With ammo (and a gun) you can take the water.

 

[btnh6668]

The answer to the OP is: No

Have a look at the S&P 500 index for the last 3, 6, or 12 months whatever. As it was said here ammo is an insurance policy not an investment.

Hope y'all are smarter with your retirement savings

Disagree completely. An investment is something you purchase in hopes it will generate a profit. So based on that I'd say if you buy today, the price will be higher in the future. The question is what is the ops expectation? If he is expecting a $10 box of 9mm to be worth 50 probably not. If he thinks he can double what he paid? Absolutely. And can make even more during the next panic if he wants.

 

[ddeck]

After reading NES this week, your best bet is hanging out at the dump looking for discarded items. That is ALL profit.