ANY Shops Actually Confiscating Expired LTCs?

[inkdesigner]

There is at least 1 gun shop/range who appears willing to confiscate expired LTCs for the State

 

[Lank]

This bullshit demands civil disobedience

 

[drgrant]

There is at least 1 gun shop/range who appears willing to confiscate expired LTCs for the State

(ETA: I guess it is "The lawr" but eff me with a spoon, that pile of shit has more in it than
I imagined. )

Looks like that place in Dracut but not 100% sure. I'm sure the heuristic detectives here would already know. If so, im not exactly shocked. (There was a pay to play game with lowell ltcs with that place. )

 

[vicorjh]

Could it be?

 

[paul73]

willing to confiscate

'the chicks were willing, but the cow was much stronger'. (c) curious george

 

[Marty McFly]

Out the shop.

This is clearly not law.

Looks like that place in Dracut but not 100% sure. I'm sure the heuristic detectives here would already know. If so, im not exactly shocked. (There was a pay to play game with lowell ltcs with that place. )

The touch screen thing says on target firearms.
And the wall behind matches the pic from Google

 

[drgrant]

The touch screen thing says on target firearms

Yeah I just zoomed in on it and realized that... I just remembered the wall in the like weird windows that go into the range I only ever shot there twice I just remember being whined at afterwards because I was using steel cased ammo, but it was only after we had gotten off the range I wanted to say to the guy "what are you going to do kick us out? we just paid and we're done. " the ridiculous thing is the more I thought about it it can only be that they're pissed off because they don't make money from steel cases when they give them to the recycler or it pollutes the brass buckets. either way it smelled very skin flinty.

 

[LakeTrout]

There is at least 1 gun shop/range who appears willing to confiscate expired LTCs for the State

What state?

 

[slugworth]

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[kevin9]

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I'm speculating, but I'll take 3 guesses as to who's the one that gets screwed in this service, and the first two won't count.

 

[drgrant]

Either a cop or ex cop likely runs the place, and whoever it is plays rubby bums with Lowell PD, not sure about now but years ago LPD would send people there for the "required lowell training course" etc like it was special or something. It sure smelled like a rubby bums deal or a pay to play/reach around scheme. But this is mass and we cant ask too many questions about that kind of thing. *cough*

 

[G4Y4HK]

Is it cause an expired LTC is still a good 'get out of jail free' card? Carrying on expired LTC a fine, not a bracelet-able ride downtown?

 

[drgrant]

Is it cause an expired LTC is still a good 'get out of jail free' card? Carrying on expired LTC a fine, not a bracelet-able ride downtown?

I dont think anyone can infer what theyre motives are. My guess is that "a cop from lowell pd told them it was the lawr so they doing it"

Go to enough gun shops often enough and you will start seeing a lot of shitlogic turned into store policies. I could write like 6 pages about the shit ive seen/heard.

 

[Grendizer138]

Spidey sense says cop-owned.

f*** this place either way.

 

[Garys]

I think in at least some case the store management wants to scare the employees with some stupid policy that came from above, usually "risk management."

I also see it in EMS frequently when reading a report.

I dont think anyone can infer what theyre motives are. My guess is that "a cop from lowell pd told them it was the lawr so they doing it"

Go to enough gun shops often enough and you will start seeing a lot of shitlogic turned into store policies. I could write like 6 pages about the shit ive seen/heard.

 

[not new guy]

So these faggots are going to steal your LTC out of your hand if you flash it to them and the expiration date has passed? What authority do they have to confiscate anything?

 

[G4Y4HK]

So these faggots are going to steal your LTC out of your hand if you flash it to them and the expiration date has passed? What authority do they have to confiscate anything?

Lotta times a shop won't let you fondle the wares unless they hold onto your LTC. Fawh Seasons and Gun Parlor have both insisted on holding onto my card if I wanted to inspect their display models.

 

[vcman]

Is it cause an expired LTC is still a good 'get out of jail free' card? Carrying on expired LTC a fine, not a bracelet-able ride downtown?

Nope,no carry gun on expired ltc in mass, worcester cop told me that.

 

[whatluck]

This bullshit demands civil disobedience

The hacker in me: most rules can be bent if not broken
The patriot in me: arbitrary rules should be broken on principle

 

[whatluck]

Thanks for making today's 'mass sucks' thread OP

 

[HorizontalHunter]

What the hell happens if you are waiting for your renewal?

 

[Masswhole]

Lotta times a shop won't let you fondle the wares unless they hold onto your LTC. Fawh Seasons and Gun Parlor have both insisted on holding onto my card if I wanted to inspect their display models.

This happened to me exactly 0 times when I lived in MA.

 

[HorizontalHunter]

So these faggots are going to steal your LTC out of your hand if you flash it to them and the expiration date has passed? What authority do they have to confiscate anything?

The new law:

(g) Upon being presented with an expired, suspended or revoked license, card or permit a licensee shall: (i) immediately report the attempted transaction to the department of criminal justice information services using its electronic firearms registration system , including, but not limited to, all information recorded pursuant to subsection (h); (ii) take possession of such card, permit or license and immediately forward the same to the licensing authority for the city or town where the licensee conducts business; (iii) issue the license, card or permit holder a receipt, in a form provided by the commissioner of the department of criminal justice information services, which shall state that the holder’s license, card or permit is expired, suspended or revoked, was taken by the licensee, and forwarded to the licensing authority, and which shall be valid for 90 days for the purpose of providing immunity from prosecution under section 10 of chapter 269; and (iv) notify the license, card or permit holder of their duty to surrender their firearms forthwith to their local licensing authority under section 129D. The licensee shall be immune from civil and criminal liability for good faith compliance with the provisions herein.

Hopefully, they also are aware that expired doesn’t necessarily mean what they might think that it does:



(s) Notwithstanding any general or special law to the contrary, an expired license to carry firearms issued under section 131 or an expired firearm identification card issued under section 129B shall remain valid for all lawful purposes if:
(i) the licensee or card holder applied for renewal before the license or card expiration date and shall remain valid until the application for renewal is approved or denied;
(ii) the licensee or card holder is on active duty with the armed forces of the United States on the expiration date of the license or card; provided, that the license or card shall remain valid until the licensee or card holder is released from active duty and for a period of not less than 180 days following their release; provided, however, that, if the licensee or card holder applied for renewal prior to the end of that period, the license or card shall remain valid for all lawful purposes until the application for renewal is approved or denied; or
(iii) the expiration period has not yet exceeded 90 days beyond the stated date of expiration, unless such license to carry or firearm identification card has been revoked or suspended.

Session Law - Acts of 2024 Chapter 135

malegislature.gov

 

[pastera]

Lotta times a shop won't let you fondle the wares unless they hold onto your LTC. Fawh Seasons and Gun Parlor have both insisted on holding onto my card if I wanted to inspect their display models.

Shooting Supply is the same.

 

[not new guy]

The new law:

(g) Upon being presented with an expired, suspended or revoked license, card or permit a licensee shall: (i) immediately report the attempted transaction to the department of criminal justice information services using its electronic firearms registration system , including, but not limited to, all information recorded pursuant to subsection (h); (ii) take possession of such card, permit or license and immediately forward the same to the licensing authority for the city or town where the licensee conducts business; (iii) issue the license, card or permit holder a receipt, in a form provided by the commissioner of the department of criminal justice information services, which shall state that the holder’s license, card or permit is expired, suspended or revoked, was taken by the licensee, and forwarded to the licensing authority, and which shall be valid for 90 days for the purpose of providing immunity from prosecution under section 10 of chapter 269; and (iv) notify the license, card or permit holder of their duty to surrender their firearms forthwith to their local licensing authority under section 129D. The licensee shall be immune from civil and criminal liability for good faith compliance with the provisions herein.

Hopefully, they also are aware that expired doesn’t necessarily mean what they might think that it does:

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(s) Notwithstanding any general or special law to the contrary, an expired license to carry firearms issued under section 131 or an expired firearm identification card issued under section 129B shall remain valid for all lawful purposes if:
(i) the licensee or card holder applied for renewal before the license or card expiration date and shall remain valid until the application for renewal is approved or denied;
(ii) the licensee or card holder is on active duty with the armed forces of the United States on the expiration date of the license or card; provided, that the license or card shall remain valid until the licensee or card holder is released from active duty and for a period of not less than 180 days following their release; provided, however, that, if the licensee or card holder applied for renewal prior to the end of that period, the license or card shall remain valid for all lawful purposes until the application for renewal is approved or denied; or
(iii) the expiration period has not yet exceeded 90 days beyond the stated date of expiration, unless such license to carry or firearm identification card has been revoked or suspended.

Session Law - Acts of 2024 Chapter 135

malegislature.gov

Thanks. I wonder what the penalty is for violating this.

It doesn’t give them the authority to confiscate it (unless it always remains the state’s property maybe?), it just exempts them from civil and criminal liability.

 

[alan226]

Thanks. I wonder what the penalty is for violating this.

It doesn’t give them the authority to confiscate it (unless it always remains the state’s property maybe?), it just exempts them from civil and criminal liability.

I'm going to guess that a state or federal document still belongs to the issuer

 

[Coda]

So lets say you are in the renewal process and your current LTC has just expired and your new LTC is just around the corner.

You go in to buy some ammo, they ask to see your LTC that has just expired and you explain that you are in the renewal process. So they confiscate your LTC and you have no LTC until the new one arrives.

Sounds about as reasonable as most the other ridiculous gun laws in MA.

 

[not new guy]

I'm going to guess that a state or federal document still belongs to the issuer

You’re probably right.

I guess the sign makes more sense if it’s in the law and as fair warning (if nothing else). I’d be pretty pissed if it happened to me, but I guess they’re worried about getting caught and having their own license yanked?

 

[HorizontalHunter]

I'm going to guess that a state or federal document still belongs to the issuer

That’s what I assumed as well seeing as the license is to be returned to the issuing department.

So let’s say you are in the renewal process and your current LTC has just expired and your new LTC is just around the corner.

You go in to buy some ammo, they ask to see your LTC that has just expired and you explain that you are in the renewal process. So they confiscate your LTC and you have no LTC until the new one arrives.

Sounds about as reasonable as most the other ridiculous gun laws in MA.

That’s why I included the second part of the new law.

Reading the sign that they posted makes me thing that they are just going by the date on the license which is wrong.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

What the hell happens if you are waiting for your renewal?

There are two different expired scenario:

1. You have MIRCS receipt from a renewal applicaiton submitted before expiration. This is an explicit extension of the license.

2. You have an expired LTC and have not been denied a renewal; become a PP; or had the LTC revoked or suspended for any reason other than failure to file a change of address. In that case, carry/possession is a civil fine only.

#1 is well understood by the police. #2 is not, and even if it is understood, you cannot count on someone in the field accepting your declaration that you meed the listed three requriements. #2 also will not legally enable you to buy a gun or ammo.

And good luck having #1 recognized in a non-con carry state that accepts the MA LTC.