ANY Shops Actually Confiscating Expired LTCs?

[HARRYM]

"Please be aware that once your LTC/FID expires it is expired, there is no longer a grace period. If you renew your license prior to the expiration date, then the permit becomes indefinite until you receive your new permit."


This is no longer the case?

 

[Fixxah]

Lotta times a shop won't let you fondle the wares unless they hold onto your LTC. Fawh Seasons and Gun Parlor have both insisted on holding onto my card if I wanted to inspect their display models.

Only certain folks get that treatment.

 

[Fixxah]

A good shopkeep will reiterate the policy, while setting the LTC down on the counter and developing a sudden need to clean his/her glasses so they can read the date on the license.

But you know there is that person who wants to post a video for attention if ltc being taken. Probably on the last day of validity and screaming like Ken that they will sue etc.

 

[Bt74]

So I don;t get it.. If you don't want your expired LTC to be confiscated when you are buying ammo or a gun, don't buy the stuff.

Wait until your LTC is valid, then buy guns and ammo.

Order your ammo on line, a tell the local guy to FO.

 

[G4Y4HK]

Only certain folks get that treatment.

What did you mean?

 

[Mesatchornug]

I reckon that's what the sign(s) is.

I know a great, if somewhat risk-averse, dealer who I talked to about this when it passed. He said his plan was to ask his clients to confirm their license was still valid before handing it to him.

"Please be aware that once your LTC/FID expires it is expired, there is no longer a grace period. If you renew your license prior to the expiration date, then the permit becomes indefinite until you receive your new permit."


This is no longer the case?

It is. But not all dealers accept it. If they're scared of their shadow (and/or have reason to be) the MIRCS receipt isn't sufficient.

Order your ammo on line, a tell the local guy to FO.

This works until the online vendor has implemented a process for confirming an active LTC to protect themselves from MA and they don't understand that your expired license can be valid anyways.

 

[HorizontalHunter]

I know a great, if somewhat rush averse dealer who I talked to about this when it passed. He said his plan was to ask his clients to confirm their license was still valid before handing it to him.

The problem is defining valid. Just because the date on the permit is expired that doesn’t mean that you license is expired.

This bullchit will make you license useless while you are waiting the ridiculous 3 months for your renewal as you can’t go to a shop for fear that your license will be taken away and you will have a bunch of more unnecessary bullchit to deal with for no reason.

Anything to make it harder on the law abiding.

 

[Mesatchornug]

The problem is defining valid. Just because the date on the permit is expired that doesn’t mean that you license is expired.

This bullchit will make you license useless while you are waiting the ridiculous 3 months for your renewal as you can’t go to a shop for fear that your license will be taken away and you will have a bunch of more unnecessary bullchit to deal with for no reason.

Anything to make it harder on the law abiding.

I agree

As mentioned above, if you have the MIRCS receipt, you can ask the dealer if he'll recognize it. If yes, then you're good to go. If no, go elsewhere. Yes, that's harder in some parts of the state than others.

At the same time, I was able to get my LO to activate and deliver my latest renewal when I reminded him that if I took the "expired" card to a dealer to buy ammo, they'd be required to confiscate it. "I guess I'm not training this weekend."

 

[Sunny]

just remember being whined at afterwards because I was using steel cased ammo,

AH HA!

 

[Broc Tuah]

I have been told you don't need a LTC for the gun show loophole. Problem solved.

 

[TrackDayRdr]

All of these comments and nobody has mentioned this gem: "and (iv) notify the license, card or permit holder of their duty to surrender their firearms forthwith to their local licensing authority under section 129D."

 

[v37v]

THIS.

Why - seriously, WHY?? - are you still tolerating the shit? And not JUST the gun shit, ANY of the shit?

It's long past time to leave these places, especially as they're Donkdoms and not likely to change save copious violence, or total collapse - which very well may happen. But until it does, why support it with your tax dollars?

My family - father's mother's side - has been in this town in Connecticut since 1698. Sadly:
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and I'm the last one.

 

[1stRoundAcademy]

When you start a transaction in MIRCS, the first step checks the purchasers LTC validity. It would be interesting to see if someone with an active renewal started in the portal but past the LTC card expiration still shows as "valid" in the system. I'm guessing no because you can't purchase past the expiry even with the renewal receipt in hand.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

MA gun laws often miss details. In this case, the legitimate reasons to retain an expired license (statutory grace period even if one does not file a timely renewal; proof you are an expired license violate, not an unlawfully carrying/possessing criminal, etc.).

The problem is our side knows more about the impact of these details, but it is not possible for us to help. The other side does not want to engage with pro-gun rights persons after they have their ducks lined up in a nice neat row, and our side would likely not be interested in a sit-down review where one of the rules was "anything that reduces the level of additional restrictions is not to be discussed or considered.". So, we are stuck with this mess.

 

[Ultrarunner]

There are two Americas my friends.

 

[SpaceCritter]

There are two Americas my friends.

There is the United States of America, and there are the Donkdoms.

 

[MGnoob]

The problem is defining valid. Just because the date on the permit is expired that doesn’t mean that you license is expired.

This bullchit will make you license useless while you are waiting the ridiculous 3 months for your renewal as you can’t go to a shop for fear that your license will be taken away and you will have a bunch of more unnecessary bullchit to deal with for no reason.

Anything to make it harder on the law abiding.

After my birthday, if I don’t receive my license in time, I’m gonna log on the website cause you can check the status of your license online. I wonder if you have the paperwork stating that you submitted it if the system is actually accurate enough to display it as valid Who knows I guess I’m gonna find out.

That would be one way to prove it to a douche bag dealer not to say they still wouldn’t refuse to sell you. But that would be super lame of them.

 

[HorizontalHunter]

After my birthday, if I don’t receive my license in time, I’m gonna log on the website cause you can check the status of your license online. I wonder if you have the paperwork stating that you submitted it if the system is actually accurate enough to display it as valid Who knows I guess I’m gonna find out.

That would be one way to prove it to a douche bag dealer not to say they still wouldn’t refuse to sell you. But that would be super lame of them.

It’s just more bull$hit nonsense specifically designed to make it harder for the law abiding gun owner.

 

[Dennis in MA]

Lotta times a shop won't let you fondle the wares unless they hold onto your LTC. Fawh Seasons and Gun Parlor have both insisted on holding onto my card if I wanted to inspect their display models.

I'm not sure I've EVER been in a gun shop in MA that didn't at least examine my lic before pulling out a pistol to look at. Rifles may be in the racks, but short-guns was lic-first.

Which made it VERY funny when I was on the BX at Whiteman with my SIL 6 years ago this week. Wandered into teh gun shop. They had a 365. Girl pulls it out and puts it in my hands. It was a GREAT price, too.

"Yeah, I can't buy this. But thanks."

"Why not?"

"Let's see. I'm not a Missouri resident, I'm not retired military and currently this pistol is 'illegal' (to sell, not own, I know) in my fair state of mASSachusetts."

She was cute and actually felt bad for me. And allowed us to fondle several otehr guns. It was eye-opening to be in a free-er 2A state.

 

[Mesatchornug]

When you start a transaction in MIRCS, the first step is to check the purchasers LTC validity. It would be interesting to see if someone with an active renewal started in the portal but past the LTC card expiration still shows as "valid" in the system. I'm guessing no because you can't purchase past the expiry even with the renewal receipt in hand.

Is this an update? I thought the law said an LTC with MIRCS receipt from before expiry remains valid for purchases, etc.

 

[M1911]

I am so glad I escaped over the wire last year.

 

[Mark from ?]

"Please be aware that once your LTC/FID expires it is expired, there is no longer a grace period. If you renew your license prior to the expiration date, then the permit becomes indefinite until you receive your new permit."


This is no longer the case?

Correct. I thought this was the case and they give you a receipt that you filed for the new one.

If that's the case you hand in the old license to the PD at time of reup, and they give you a temporary one or you carry/purchase on the receipt they gave you until the new one is issued, or just make you show the reup receipt with your old expired license.

WTF....its not like that state is timely or follows their own laws in issuance of LTC's....and they know it......

 

[Mark from ?]

Is this an update? I thought the law said an LTC with MIRCS receipt from before expiry remains valid for purchases, etc.

This.....yeah...you won't be able to do an FA-10 with expired license for sure. But the good thing is you don't need to do one for a little while anyway at least.

 

[Mesatchornug]

Correct. I thought this was the case and they give you a receipt that you filed for the new one.

If that's the case you hand in the old license to the PD at time of reup, and they give you a temporary one or you carry/purchase on the receipt they gave you until the new one is issued, or just make you show the reup receipt with your old expired license.

WTF....its not like that state is timely or follows their own laws in issuance of LTC's....and they know it......

renewing on the old LTC, you just get the MIRCS receipt and keep your old LTC. The only time it should show as invalid is after the new one has been printed...

 

[v37v]

It’s just more bull$hit nonsense specifically designed to make it harder for the law abiding gun owner.

Law abiding dealers too

 

[HARRYM]

Law abiding dealers too

Way back when I was the Charter Founder of the NES Pants Shitting Club I stated repeatedly that harassment would be used to "encourage" owners and dealers to throw their hands up in the air.

Good times.....

 

[Mark from ?]

renewing on the old LTC, you just get the MIRCS receipt and keep your old LTC. The only time it should show as invalid is after the new one has been printed...

So in the OP....how does the dealer check your LTC is invalid....not by the date on it correct?

 

[HorizontalHunter]

So in the OP....how does the dealer check your LTC is invalid....not by the date on it correct?

Based on the picture in the OP it looks like they are using the date on the license.