everyone has a choice, to what extent to collaborate with the enemy. some always do it more willingly and more enthusiastically than others.
a cop ownership was probably a very valid guess.
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ANY Shops Actually Confiscating Expired LTCs?
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a cop ownership was probably a very valid guess.
I just inferred that based off the "special" LTC course they used to have, that seemingly noone else did. That probably got crushed by Bruen but who knows.... I tend not to keep track of what the dump towns are asking people to do anymore.
I experienced this also but it was back around 90-91 maybe. At The Chateau in Wayland (typically good dive bar). We had been drinking in the bar for like an hour already before the bouncer asked to see my ID. I was on leave and only had my military ID card and he said “This is fake I’m keeping this.” Some harsh words exchanged but he wouldn’t return it and just started walking away so the fight was on right there.
Biker dude with long ponytail earrings and like 3 yrs left on his parole type of look. There was no way I was going back to my squad leader and telling him I let some asshat steal my ID, I’d never live it down, so getting arrested for disorderly and assault was still a better choice as long as I got the ID back first.
The manager Peter was a Marine Vietnam Vet and we knew each other pretty well before this even happened. So Pete comes running over and he’s like “let him go Cams let him go” type of deal as the guy was already getting choked out and about to be flipped upside down over the railing and down the stairs.
Anyway, old story, times were different back then and bar fights were pretty common so it wasn’t even all that shocking to the other people watching. Peter got the ID card back and fired the guy right there. Got his ass kicked and got fired all in the same day. Everyone just went right back to drinking, no cops, no bs. The way it used to be.
Coda
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None of the shops in my area will let you handle a gun unless you hand them your LTC.
I am at the far western end of the state, and there are not a lot of FFL's. But it has been standard procedure around here for awhile.
I'm trying to wrap my head around this, I guess its a "RESPECT MUH AUTHORITAH!" thing or something, or they are itching for excuses to punt dealers out of the town they're in.
SpaceCritter
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THIS.
Why - seriously, WHY?? - are you still tolerating the shit? And not JUST the gun shit, ANY of the shit?
It's long past time to leave these places, especially as they're Donkdoms and not likely to change save copious violence, or total collapse - which very well may happen. But until it does, why support it with your tax dollars?
My family - father's mother's side - has been in this town in Connecticut since 1698. Sadly:
and I'm the last one.
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I once got a RI permit that had my address in Maryland, not Massachusetts. It was re-issued is without delay or difficulty, but I had to pick it up in person. I should have checked it carefully the first time I picked it up.
CrackPot
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Mgl chap 140 sec 123 which are conditions on a MA licensed dealer
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Upon being presented with an expired, suspended or revoked license, card or permit a licensee shall: (i) immediately report the attempted transaction to the department of criminal justice information services using its electronic firearms registration system , including, but not limited to, all information recorded pursuant to subsection (h); (ii) take possession of such card, permit or license and immediately forward the same to the licensing authority for the city or town where the licensee conducts business; (iii) issue the license, card or permit holder a receipt, in a form provided by the commissioner of the department of criminal justice information services, which shall state that the holder’s license, card or permit is expired, suspended or revoked, was taken by the licensee, and forwarded to the licensing authority, and which shall be valid for 90 days for the purpose of providing immunity from prosecution under section 10 of chapter 269; and (iv) notify the license, card or permit holder of their duty to surrender their firearms forthwith to their local licensing authority under section 129D. The licensee shall be immune from civil and criminal liability for good faith compliance with the provisions herein.
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This reminds me of the worst duty I ever had in the military. Working the gate checking ID cards. If they were expired, we were supposed to take the card and send the soldier to the ID card office to get a new one. It says right on the card that it’s property of DoD. Sounds simple enough, right?
Problem was every single @hole that outranked you had to argue about the policy. And none of them would ever get a new card anyway, so the next day they would be there with no ID cards trying to get back on base.
One of my guys held the record for highest rank confiscated. It was a 2 star general and he gave me us an earful over it. Our pussy ass CoC was shitting their pants when they found out about it. I asked “for future reference, at what rank does the policy no longer apply, Sir?” No, I don’t give a F and my rank when I got out reflected this fact.
The thing that impressed me was that the general drove down the next day with his wife (on a weekend) and apologized to me and gave me a coin to give to the SPC that took it. He said he complained to his wife about it and she set him straight.
Edit: I forgot the moral of the story. If the store is required now to take it if it’s expired, don’t be a dick about it. It’s your own fault for not renewing it on time. Don’t give the dude at the counter a hard time since he probably doesn’t like it either and you know Maura will eventually send around undercover police to sting these guys
Problem was every single @hole that outranked you had to argue about the policy. And none of them would ever get a new card anyway, so the next day they would be there with no ID cards trying to get back on base.
One of my guys held the record for highest rank confiscated. It was a 2 star general and he gave me us an earful over it. Our pussy ass CoC was shitting their pants when they found out about it. I asked “for future reference, at what rank does the policy no longer apply, Sir?” No, I don’t give a F and my rank when I got out reflected this fact.
The thing that impressed me was that the general drove down the next day with his wife (on a weekend) and apologized to me and gave me a coin to give to the SPC that took it. He said he complained to his wife about it and she set him straight.
Edit: I forgot the moral of the story. If the store is required now to take it if it’s expired, don’t be a dick about it. It’s your own fault for not renewing it on time. Don’t give the dude at the counter a hard time since he probably doesn’t like it either and you know Maura will eventually send around undercover police to sting these guys
FalArAk
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So I don;t get it.. If you don't want your expired LTC to be confiscated when you are buying ammo or a gun, don't buy the stuff.
Wait until your LTC is valid, then buy guns and ammo.
Wait until your LTC is valid, then buy guns and ammo.
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Yes it is, but if it was confiscated, you'd have no way to prove that carrying/owning isn't a criminal offense (strictly a civil fine with an expired LTC/FID).
Good question. Expired LTC with MIRCS receipt is GTG, but if they confiscate the LTC, you have no ground to stand on.
And you know that some shops will not accept an expired LTC with MIRCS receipt as valid, so it is a setup to disaster.
There is NO grace period for NR LTCs, in spite of what is printed on the MIRCS receipt!! Be very careful.
Unless you are buying a handgun gun, there are too many good shops close enough in NH
Even if you wanted to get some range time, Granite State in Hudson NH is like 20 minutes away
619DW in Merrimack is 30 mins away, they are a great shop
The minute I saw Lowell PD was steering people there I knew it was a place to avoid.
Even if you wanted to get some range time, Granite State in Hudson NH is like 20 minutes away
619DW in Merrimack is 30 mins away, they are a great shop
The minute I saw Lowell PD was steering people there I knew it was a place to avoid.
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Why don’t they save themselves a lot of aggravation and just hand it back and say it’s expired ??
Because there are Police Departments allegedly doing "sting" operations using expired LTCs/FIDs to punish stores who do not follow their unconscionable and unconstitutional mandate.
PDs have basically told some shops, "confiscate and report, or we pull your license and force you to close"
The way I see it, these PDs should have no problem issuing LTCs/FIDs in 40 days or less if they have this much time on their hands.
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They have no authority to confiscate anything from you.. there’s nothing illegal about having an expired LTC as long as you’re not carrying and if they’re doing their job and checking it, they can just not sell you the ammo so there’s no crime committed.. I’d cause a f***ing scene if they try to take mine. They don’t confiscate expired drivers licenses.
Except, the new statute mandates they do it, the reasoning is the same as allowing a bar/club to confiscate a fake ID or what is reported as a stolen CC.
I don't agree with it one bit, and I am pretty sure you are going to make volatile situation worse.
This confiscation thing ends badly.
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Im guessing people arent realizing they are expired and try to use them by accident.
KBCraig
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Always read the "buts" in the Bible, and always read the "notwithstandings" in the law.The new law:
(g) Upon being presented with an expired, suspended or revoked license, card or permit a licensee shall: (i) immediately report the attempted transaction to the department of criminal justice information services using its electronic firearms registration system , including, but not limited to, all information recorded pursuant to subsection (h); (ii) take possession of such card, permit or license and immediately forward the same to the licensing authority for the city or town where the licensee conducts business; (iii) issue the license, card or permit holder a receipt, in a form provided by the commissioner of the department of criminal justice information services, which shall state that the holder’s license, card or permit is expired, suspended or revoked, was taken by the licensee, and forwarded to the licensing authority, and which shall be valid for 90 days for the purpose of providing immunity from prosecution under section 10 of chapter 269; and (iv) notify the license, card or permit holder of their duty to surrender their firearms forthwith to their local licensing authority under section 129D. The licensee shall be immune from civil and criminal liability for good faith compliance with the provisions herein.
Hopefully, they also are aware that expired doesn’t necessarily mean what they might think that it does:
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(s) Notwithstanding any general or special law to the contrary, an expired license to carry firearms issued under section 131 or an expired firearm identification card issued under section 129B shall remain valid for all lawful purposes if:
(i) the licensee or card holder applied for renewal before the license or card expiration date and shall remain valid until the application for renewal is approved or denied;
(ii) the licensee or card holder is on active duty with the armed forces of the United States on the expiration date of the license or card; provided, that the license or card shall remain valid until the licensee or card holder is released from active duty and for a period of not less than 180 days following their release; provided, however, that, if the licensee or card holder applied for renewal prior to the end of that period, the license or card shall remain valid for all lawful purposes until the application for renewal is approved or denied; or
(iii) the expiration period has not yet exceeded 90 days beyond the stated date of expiration, unless such license to carry or firearm identification card has been revoked or suspended.
Session Law - Acts of 2024 Chapter 135
malegislature.gov
In both cases, people think they found a gotcha and stop reading.
KBCraig
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The gun shop is not the issuer, though. Even if it's cop-owned, the shop is not "the government".
"We are required to..." sounds like a you problem.
I'd call 911 and wait for help to arrive.
I imagine they put the sign(s) out to avoid being put in the situation.
Edit: check the wording, they request you check your shit before approaching.
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I’ve had it happen where I just haven’t thrown out my old one yet I usually throw it out right when I get my new one, but sometimes I don’t.
I have gone to the bar before and said it’s my birthday and they asked to see my ID and I show it to them and then they tell me it’s expired.
The RMV can be incredibly slow…
I doubt I’ll receive my new firearms permit before my birthday, but I have the letter.. I believe in theory you could still buy ammo with the letter and your expired license. But I’ve never seen it done.
I have gone to the bar before and said it’s my birthday and they asked to see my ID and I show it to them and then they tell me it’s expired.
The RMV can be incredibly slow…
I doubt I’ll receive my new firearms permit before my birthday, but I have the letter.. I believe in theory you could still buy ammo with the letter and your expired license. But I’ve never seen it done.
FalArAk
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I seem to remember that I got some sort of paper that was good as an LTC when I put my paperwork in, I guess in case my license didn't arrive in time.
Never purchased anything with it, then again everything I buy nowadays is calculated and researched months beforehand so not having a card LTC is not a big deal.
Now if I happened to run across a 50.63 for $1k, there would be a problem lol
SpaceCritter
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It's lawfare - it's about creating a hassle where none existed before.
My original point still stands: why are you mooks still tolerating this shit, and I don't mean JUST the gun shit? DimpledLesbianland is NOT going to get any better.
My original point still stands: why are you mooks still tolerating this shit, and I don't mean JUST the gun shit? DimpledLesbianland is NOT going to get any better.
