Biden bans Russian Arms and Ammo

[headednorth]

I am amazed at the hypocrisy of the folks complaining about the ban on Russian ammo. We are so fat and happy and looking for a cheap way to get ammo, we forget that our money paid for Putin's war in Ukraine, support of Iran regime via Putin's financial aid and relationships with our enemy. Russia is a country that still to this day talks about new king United States on there main television programs.
You don't seem to care about the fact that your money is used to ruin this nation by a hateful dictator in Russia! As long as it's cheap, we don't care that American companies have to compete with unscrupulous entities that supply our enemies.
This reminds me of our dependence on China that is openly campaigning to destroy United States! We would rather pay $5 for a red dot on Amazon than support American companies that use American labor, made in America and all of the profits I put back into our nation.
This community should be spearheading the movement to empower American companies, and support new ammo manufacturers in the United States! I would rather support Mexican, Brazilian, South Korean, Croatian and check ammo manufacturers then give a single penny to our enemy!

Im a million times more concerned with the American gov than the f*cking Russians and Chinese, lmao.

 

[Broc Tuah]

Bo the Amish manufacture ammunition...?

Skip to 2:25 for the answer ... it will shock you.

 

[AHM]

I find it curious how so many forum members think the US 'mainstream media' is all propaganda and wrong about everyting, except regarding Russia.

Everything I know about Russia I learned from dashcam videos.

You think Biden is deciding anything? The only decision he is allowed to make is what flavor ice cream he eats. Obama never went away.

Dude!
Just wait until his handlers start focus-grouping his recent flavor choices,
and inform him that his new favorite (to curry favor with some fringe group)
is some flavor he hates...

We'll know, because he'll mutter some aside about how
"... I really want vanilla/chocolate twist,
but I'll get in trouble if I don't order rum raisin
to suck up to those grape growers for Pelosi".

 

[btnh6668]

Im guessing by the end of the day tomorrow the importers will know exactly what the deal is. Hopefully we can get an update from one of them or Keith if he pops on.

 

[76Too]

Skip to 2:25 for the answer ... it will shock you.

I’m shocked. shocked I tell you!

my shocked face

 

[40 Creedmoor fan]

I couldn't care less. Russia is far less of a concern than China or the EU at this point, and while Putin is far from a swell guy, the Soviet Union is on the other side of the iron curtain now and does not involve them. I am happy not to live there, but as a bogeyman, Russia is worn out...

As for "Putins war in Ukraine", I take very little issue with their taking back Crimea. After the US-funded violent overthrow of that countries elected government, the sham elections that followed, the faked war crimes, and the marxists at the root of it all... it was a free for all.

This move had nothing to do with penalizing Russia, and everything to do with further disarming Americans at a time when civil liberties are being decimated and the curtain has been pulled back on election fraud. Ammo prices began to fall and supply began to rise, then bam.

I would love a world in which $10/box 9mm is a thing which can be achieved purely domestically, but the existence of Russian steel case is what maintains that price point... Much like with my big kebab and marxist remover, I guess I do not care who made it and where, because the principles matter less than it existing (vs not existing at all).

Of course, you couldn't care less! You're clueless about what Putin has done! Taking back of Crimea? Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons for a promise of its sovereignty. United States AND Russian signed that agreement with BOTH powers agreeing to protect that country's integrity. Putin said FU to the US and took over Crimea: the only place in the Black Sea with large enough base for our ships. In other words, Putin invaded Ukraine to deny the USA a place for its ships. What did US do? Absolutely NOTHING!
Putin sent his assassins to kill British citizen and US did NOTHING. Putin built a pipeline to Europe to have more power over EU. What did we do? Biden said, yes, you can do it.

Only absolutely clueless people can claim that US funded an overthrow. You are absolutely not aware of the history of Ukranian politics or its history since getting its independence.

Meanwhile, all you care about is $10 ammo. The more myopic view one could not have. How do you get to $10 ammo? Cheap materials. While you were happy buying $10 ammo 10 years ago, China took over as a major buyer of Chilean and Peruvian copper: that's more than 50% of the world's copper market! How? By a weak Obama who, like you, was more interested in cheap goods than keeping American companies from going under due to unfair competition from China!

 

[headednorth]

Of course, you couldn't care less! You're clueless about what Putin has done! Taking back of Crimea? Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons for a promise of its sovereignty. United States AND Russian signed that agreement with BOTH powers agreeing to protect that country's integrity. Putin said FU to the US and took over Crimea: the only place in the Black Sea with large enough base for our ships. In other words, Putin invaded Ukraine to deny the USA a place for its ships. What did US do? Absolutely NOTHING!
Putin sent his assassins to kill British citizen and US did NOTHING. Putin built a pipeline to Europe to have more power over EU. What did we do? Biden said, yes, you can do it.

Only absolutely clueless people can claim that US funded an overthrow. You are absolutely not aware of the history of Ukranian politics or its history since getting its independence.

Meanwhile, all you care about is $10 ammo. The more myopic view one could not have. How do you get to $10 ammo? Cheap materials. While you were happy buying $10 ammo 10 years ago, China took over as a major buyer of Chilean and Peruvian copper: that's more than 50% of the world's copper market! How? By a weak Obama who, like you, was more interested in cheap goods than keeping American companies from going under due to unfair competition from China!

Dude have fun staring at the ceiling at night worrying about some 2021 Game of Thrones bullshit overseas. Im more concerned with the fact that my own government seems to want to exterminate people like me. Cant save the world, gotta prioritize...

 

[sschevy]

What if you have an approved form 6 or more for future shipments? If you look at the top of the form 6 it says it's valid for up to two years.....

I ordered 2 separate lots of 50k rounds of 9mm from 2 separate importers a few months back , both were held up at port for almost 2 weeks because they had to wait for the import papers to clear , they told me every shipment has to be approved and signed off on by the feds , I’m just regurgitating what the importers told me , I’m not a importer or exporter so I can not go by what they tell me

another friend of mine exports and every shipment he does is like a brand new day

On another note if anyone remembers when the ban on Chinese imports happened there was still ammo around for another 5 years after the ban happened , problem is back then there wasn’t any internet companies gobbling up the entire supply and blowing it out to a National customer base of hundreds of thousands of people , local distributors and stores got their share and sold it to a much smaller base, locally , so it stuck around in inventory longer and was distributed a bit more evenly by region

 

[40 Creedmoor fan]

Why is Russia our enemy?

Is killing our closes allies not enough?
Is killing US soldiers in Syria, not enough?
Is setting Germany, our ally, against us not enough?
Is invading a sovereign European country, not enough? Do we not care anymore about sacrifices our fathers and grandfathers had made in WW2 so Europe could be free?
Do we not care that Russia is teaching its children to hate the US?
Do we not care that every May 9th, Russians celebrate their victory in WW2 by changing "Let's march on Berlin like again as we did in '45!"

 

[40 Creedmoor fan]

Dude have fun staring at the ceiling at night worrying about some 2021 Game of Thrones bullshit overseas. Im more concerned with the fact that my own government seems to want to exterminate people like me. Cant save the world, gotta prioritize...

I don't watch TV and I am concerned about our government becoming another USSR: every sign is in front of those of us who have studied USSR, Communism, and Fascism. That said, complaining about not being able to get cheap ammo from our enemy is not something I can join you on.

 

[headednorth]

I don't watch TV and I am concerned about our government becoming another USSR: every sign is in front of those of us who have studied USSR, Communism, and Fascism. That said, complaining about not being able to get cheap ammo from our enemy is not something I can join you on.

What irks me most about the whole farce is that they pretend that theyre doing it to hit the Russian gov in the pocketbook. Im guessing ammo exportation is way the f*ck down the list of their money-making operations.

 

[40 Creedmoor fan]

Sounds pretty commie to me. Methinks you failed basic economics and disagree with a free market system. While I applaud your conviction that kind of attitude is in line with the current puppet administration and the Fed who want to destroy America and small businesses rather than bless them.

Free market system? Which one? The one where the US pays China 90% of shipping costs? That free-market system? Perhaps you're talking about a 200% import tax on US-made cars to Russian Federation? No, wait! You must be talking about China requiring US companies to relinquish their intellectual property in order to operate in China?

Oh yeah, talk to me about the free market system! Only first try to find one!

 

[40 Creedmoor fan]

+1 Progressives wore out the Russian bogeyman in 2016 and it's getting really, really old to see people still buying into that.

A perfectly normal opinion for someone who didn't even care to learn about what Russians were doing until 2016? 2016 collusion was bullsh$t but it does not remove the fact that Russia is an opportunistic aggressor who takes every opportunity to weaken US.

Russia is giving away land in Siberia to China so that Chinese companies can cut down forests to build cheap furniture. Russia is supplying the Syrian government which last I checked we were fighting against. Russia is educating Iranian scientists and supplies them with uranium. Russia has imprisoned the US citizen.

The only good thing Russia did is give Steven Segal citizenship They can have him!

 

[40 Creedmoor fan]

The Russian boogeyman thing is overblown. They behaved just fine when Trump was boss man. Russia did not steal the 2020 election. Democrats did. Last time I checked the Feds get a ton of my money and use it to directly F me in the ass everyday.

You're right. Russia did behave during Trump. Like when it killed British citizens with chemical weapons. Like when it sent equipment and fighters to Syria to fight against US. Yeah, you're right.

I suppose one could call it "behaving" when compared to what it did during the Obama administration...

 

[enbloc]

Skip to 2:25 for the answer ... it will shock you.

My guess is that the Amish use single-stage reloading presses and they reject the Progressives...

 

[40 Creedmoor fan]

What irks me most about the whole farce is that they pretend that theyre doing it to hit the Russian gov in the pocketbook. Im guessing ammo exportation is way the f*ck down the list of their money-making operations.

Russia is the second-largest arms exporter in the world. US consumers use more ammo than the rest of the world combined. Put 2 and 2 together, will ya...

 

[enbloc]

 

[40 Creedmoor fan]

The election fixing is debatable, but the media acting to manipulate things in Herr Biden's favor is pretty much indisputable.

Yep!

 

[40 Creedmoor fan]

Everything I know about Russia I learned from dashcam videos.

 

[AHM]

With dynamic angles like that,
the dashcam must be mounted on a low-rider.

 

[DJBrad]

Free market system? Which one? The one where the US pays China 90% of shipping costs? That free-market system? Perhaps you're talking about a 200% import tax on US-made cars to Russian Federation? No, wait! You must be talking about China requiring US companies to relinquish their intellectual property in order to operate in China?

Oh yeah, talk to me about the free market system! Only first try to find one!

I’m speaking directly wrt to the steel ammo coming from Russia which you are ok with banning and throwing the Russia boogeyman viewpoint out again. Did not the Dems push this every year of Trump’s presidency since day one? Our own .gov is of greater concern as well as wokeness and progressive policy. Getting cheap ammo is a result of open trade deals. Let trade deals continue as long as it is equitable between nations. Afaik no US ammo producers were or are suffering because of Russian steel. There are many disparities right now wrt trade deals. When Trump was in power I was hopeful we’d get better deals but no that didn’t happen and it’s all being reversed by the next administration. It’s a vicious cycle and it will continue regardless of what party is in power. This is why term limits are necessary and the 2 party system needs to end.

What Trump did to level the playing field was admirable and I agree with it. Getting NATO to pay their first share. Making new trade deals. Bringing manufacturing back. I’m for a decoupling of that relationship with China to some degree, as I’ve stated before in other threads related to rare earths, chips, and cheap products. But wow are there so many things to unravel with a discussion like this. Keynesian policy, globalism, fractional reserve systems, fiat currencies, no more honest money, a home owning middle class, etc. ad nauseum.

The supply chain of immediate gratification faced a hiccup based on these matters and a pandemic had ruined it all. The tariffs initiated by Trump exacerbated this issue sadly. Massive central bank stimulus is also going to push inflation to unseen limits. Right now Biden has shutdown the Keystone pipeline while green lighting the Russian one. The Biden admin is happy to have other countries rape their land and seas to get the same products here stateside at no environmental cost to us.

We definitely should be bringing more production back to our shores but the fact remains that automation is gradually taking over, our country has been in a state of low productivity for 50+ years after off shoring, people are increasingly relying on the government, social programs are increasing, debt is increasing, the cost to service that debt is increasing, thereby productivity has decreased at alarming rates which in turn destroys an economy as you cannot have a thriving one without it. I’m afraid we are far beyond the ability to change the trajectory on this with the Dems in power for the foreseeable future.

On that note, yes, I want my cheap Russian steel while it’s still being produced. We all still have love for Lake City, CCI/Speer, and Vista Outdoors as well as the small bourgeoisie ammo companies around the US. Last I checked a lot of foreign car companies manufacturer cars here. Also, those Russian ammo factories employ thousands of people. I believe there is a way for nations to be able to enjoy the fruits of labor and trade. There are elite globalists in control of it all who for their own evil schemes want a new world system and we can’t stop that now.

 

[Glockster30]

Do we not care that Russia is teaching its children to hate the US?

Hell, US teachers are teaching it's children to hate the US.

 

[Frizzle Fry]

United States AND Russian signed that agreement with BOTH powers agreeing to protect that country's integrity.

And then the black masked marxists molotov-hurling ANTIFA "protestor" types with US funding and backing stormed that countries legislature to hold them at gunpoint, expelled its president and murdered civilians in the streets, shot down airliners and blew up buses. This before Russia stepped in. Putin was invited to Crimea during and after a sham election and a hostile takeover. Sounds a bit familiar; the black block destroys the streets and the same crony politicians take control outside of the law in a "totally unrelated" move. Are you really bitching about "integrity"?

As for the US fighting the Syrian government... I haven't seen a war authorization, and the Syrian government was primarily fighting ISIS. So there is a good side, somewhere? Occasionally cruel dictator without religious extremist goals, or marauding band of religious zealots stealing land to make an entire country of death cultists? I would take option 3, but gun to my head, the former seems better than the latter. Let us not forget the faked sarin attacks which smell about the same level of fishy as the airliners in Ukraine.

The Obama/Clinton/Kerry state department was excellent at sowing this kind of confusion. Complain about Russia retaking a port in their own back yard, which they gave up some decade or so earlier, and say it's a threat to "sovereignty" whilst leaving out that it comes on the heels of an unlawful US-backed violent overthrow of the sovereign elected government. Complain about a dictator "killing his own people" but leave out that 1/2 of the killings were faked and that "his own people" who actually died mostly comprised the multi-state terror group with whom the US was currently at war.

Nobody here wants to have a beer with Putin, I'm sure. I certainly have as many questions about Putins elections as I do about 2020 here in the US. Not a big fan, but not eager to demonize either. Compared to the EU, the PRC, and the various socialist satellites scattered across south and central America and sub-saharan Africa, I guess I don't really care that much what Russia is up to. Between Ukraine and Georgia and whatever else, it seems like they have taken an approach more similar to the Monroe Doctrine.

I am just speaking for myself here but I am sure many agree... after 1.5 years of literal bolsheviks destroying cities without punishment or any sign of stopping, our police being told to let them have at it, those who defend themselves (or simply say "no") being charged with crimes instead, communist theory straight from the pages of Marx and Engels being taught to our children in public schools along side racial hatred that makes Jim Crow "look like Jim Eagle", an election full of irregularities that defy all odds/bellweathers and the coverup of any attempt to look into even the most obvious issues, a complete shutdown of entire industries and lockdown of the public to avoid a flu likely released from a lab in Red China, the cavalcade of lies surrounding said flu, he sudden rapid expansion of the federal governments ability to intern people for having the wrong political beliefs... Yeah. I care about the availability of ammunition and price.

In two years a box of brass case went from $10 to $50+ and every time it calms down, "something" moves it back up. If the KKK had a "Happy Birthday Hitler" sale on their home made ammo I'd buy that. If the Black Panthers started selling their own "Honky Slayer 9000" reloads, I'd buy that. If the Taliban had "May Allah Guide my Noble Bullet" ammo for sale I'd buy that... except these days it'd probably be re-branded M855A1, which was recently handed to them by the same government trying to prevent its own citizens from having guns and ammo.

 

[TTA89]

Jesus Christ! I go away for 3 days and now 7.62x39 is gone. Grrr... I need a new hobby. $570 a case already? GTFO!

 

[Dench]

Is killing our closes allies not enough?
Is killing US soldiers in Syria, not enough?
Is setting Germany, our ally, against us not enough?
Is invading a sovereign European country, not enough? Do we not care anymore about sacrifices our fathers and grandfathers had made in WW2 so Europe could be free?
Do we not care that Russia is teaching its children to hate the US?
Do we not care that every May 9th, Russians celebrate their victory in WW2 by changing "Let's march on Berlin like again as we did in '45!"

We kill their allies.
We've killed their PMCs in Syria.
We set, well, try to set their allies against them.
We've invaded all sorts of places over the past 21 years.
No.
No.

 

[Mountain]

And then the black masked marxists molotov-hurling ANTIFA "protestor" types with US funding and backing stormed that countries legislature to hold them at gunpoint, expelled its president and murdered civilians in the streets, shot down airliners and blew up buses. This before Russia stepped in. Putin was invited to Crimea during and after a sham election and a hostile takeover. Sounds a bit familiar; the black block destroys the streets and the same crony politicians take control outside of the law in a "totally unrelated" move. Are you really bitching about "integrity"?

As for the US fighting the Syrian government... I haven't seen a war authorization, and the Syrian government was primarily fighting ISIS. So there is a good side, somewhere? Occasionally cruel dictator without religious extremist goals, or marauding band of religious zealots stealing land to make an entire country of death cultists? I would take option 3, but gun to my head, the former seems better than the latter. Let us not forget the faked sarin attacks which smell about the same level of fishy as the airliners in Ukraine.

The Obama/Clinton/Kerry state department was excellent at sowing this kind of confusion. Complain about Russia retaking a port in their own back yard, which they gave up some decade or so earlier, and say it's a threat to "sovereignty" whilst leaving out that it comes on the heels of an unlawful US-backed violent overthrow of the sovereign elected government. Complain about a dictator "killing his own people" but leave out that 1/2 of the killings were faked and that "his own people" who actually died mostly comprised the multi-state terror group with whom the US was currently at war.

Nobody here wants to have a beer with Putin, I'm sure. I certainly have as many questions about Putins elections as I do about 2020 here in the US. Not a big fan, but not eager to demonize either. Compared to the EU, the PRC, and the various socialist satellites scattered across south and central America and sub-saharan Africa, I guess I don't really care that much what Russia is up to. Between Ukraine and Georgia and whatever else, it seems like they have taken an approach more similar to the Monroe Doctrine.

I am just speaking for myself here but I am sure many agree... after 1.5 years of literal bolsheviks destroying cities without punishment or any sign of stopping, our police being told to let them have at it, those who defend themselves (or simply say "no") being charged with crimes instead, communist theory straight from the pages of Marx and Engels being taught to our children in public schools along side racial hatred that makes Jim Crow "look like Jim Eagle", an election full of irregularities that defy all odds/bellweathers and the coverup of any attempt to look into even the most obvious issues, a complete shutdown of entire industries and lockdown of the public to avoid a flu likely released from a lab in Red China, the cavalcade of lies surrounding said flu, he sudden rapid expansion of the federal governments ability to intern people for having the wrong political beliefs... Yeah. I care about the availability of ammunition and price.

In two years a box of brass case went from $10 to $50+ and every time it calms down, "something" moves it back up. If the KKK had a "Happy Birthday Hitler" sale on their home made ammo I'd buy that. If the Black Panthers started selling their own "Honky Slayer 9000" reloads, I'd buy that. If the Taliban had "May Allah Guide my Noble Bullet" ammo for sale I'd buy that... except these days it'd probably be re-branded M855A1, which was recently handed to them by the same government trying to prevent its own citizens from having guns and ammo.

On target and outstanding summary of the entire situation. Probably we can't convince the WWE fans to give up hating on their 'heel', but you have captured the objective truth.

 

[Broc Tuah]

View: https://youtu.be/4DIaC3GWzRE

 

[Mountain]

Do we not care that Russia is teaching its children to hate the US?

Wait, what? LOL!!! No, just no...

Actually, you may have a point. Russians got rid of their Marxists and they don't want them to come back and corrupt their kids. They would be right to be wary of all the garbage our leftists in government are tolerating if not supporting. But no- they are not teaching their kids to hate us. Time to put away the childhood bogey man and think about why our leftists keep trying to scare the sheep with same worn out stories.

Take a look at the below charts and ask why do we worry more about Russia than Russia worries about us?

Now throw NATO into the picture:

 

[ColdDayInHell]

5.45x39 owners placed on suicide watch.

 

[DJBrad]

5.45x39 owners placed on suicide watch.

Dragunov prices will hit rock bottom too