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Nope, to old....so... you're on your way to Ukraine, then?
Safe travels!
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Nope, to old....so... you're on your way to Ukraine, then?
Safe travels!
As the graph above shows majority of serious injuries in Afghanistan/Iraq were to limbs, mostly legs, from roadside bombs/IED's and body armor did nothing to protect them which the enemy knew.
I’m sorry, I’ve been trying to think about this and at a dead end. Can you please elaborate on how a red dot mounted to a helmet would be useful?This helmet has the side rails and front mount for NVG's not that I plan on buying a set. Light or red dot could be mounted on side rail.
Should’ve put a MacBook in thereSpeaking of armor, we had to wear the soft MP vests when I was deployed stateside. They were the cruddy, 20 year old blue ones that 1,000 different troops had sweated into before you got it.
It was summer, hot as hell and I wasn’t worried about getting shot. I pulled the Kevlar panels out of mine and just wore the blue shell to trick the brass. Got away with it for a couple months until my platoon Sgt slapped me on the back. He wasn’t pleased.
Wouldn't the helmet make more sense in a fixed defensive position and fhe body armor when moving?"So ... you buy a "bullet proof" helmet but no body armor?
You choose to protect a smaller target over the larger target that is your body?"
Yes and I explained why. Ever wear body armor w/plates over an extended length of time? At my age it would be more of a liability unless I was in a fixed defensive position then yes it would be beneficial.
What is the situation and threat? In almost all cases the armor will come in before a helmet. I got it you have some experiance wearing both, but trust me when I say the getting shot at industry has learned a thing or two over the last couple decades.
Wouldn't the helmet make more sense in a fixed defensive position and fhe body armor when moving?
The thought is, in a defensive position your body can be behind a wall ... when walking around it is exposed.
Not trying to be a d*ck, just trying to learn something new.
Wait ... is the OP going to an actual war?One of these days we will fight a country who has their shit together. And the return of airburst indirect fire will make all sorts of people happy that they have something ontop of their head.
Just because we've been beating people in t shirts and sandals silly for 20 years doesn't mean we can forget how peers would fight against us.
Helmets are nice to have. From fragmentation, to bullets they're rated to stop to just not banging your head really hard off something.
One of these days we will fight a country who has their shit together. And the return of airburst indirect fire will make all sorts of people happy that they have something ontop of their head.
Just because we've been beating people in t shirts and sandals silly for 20 years doesn't mean we can forget how peers would fight against us.
Helmets are nice to have. From fragmentation, to bullets they're rated to stop to just not banging your head really hard off something.
oh okNote the guy I'm replying to is a civilian and using it for civilian purposes.
oh ok
nevermind
Wait ... is the OP going to an actual war?
Or are we mixing fighting overseas with whatever the OP is expecting here?
So now we’re back to might as well be using a bike helmet, since stateside we’re not going to be getting indirect air bursts with real shrapnel.
I’m confused about the purpose of this helmet.
Is it for Civil War 2? Who is our enemy? Troops or Antifa? Either case I don’t know if this is worthwhile.
Is it LARPing at the range? Then it’s good if you like it.
Personally, I’ll pass on helmets and plate carriers. I’ll just duck like they used to in the old days. Or I’ll get hit, whatever. Im not going to start acting safe now, helmets, vests, seat belts, masks, dr tests, etc. Life is fatal, I’m not gonna spend it uncomfortable.
and even in the places we've been hanging out for the last couple decades I'm grabbing a helmet too
Did you just use “hooah”? I was going to ask if you just non-sarcastically used it, but then I realized it really doesn’t matter if you’re being sarcastic or not. God that word needs to die.If I'm on the ground in the Ukraine full body armor is a must because of indirect fire like Dench mentioned. Russia is now waging an artillery war because they can't sustain the Infantry casualties and they have superiority in Artillery. Same in a vehicle whether armored or not. As the graph above shows majority of serious injuries in Afghanistan/Iraq were to limbs, mostly legs, from roadside bombs/IED's and body armor did nothing to protect them which the enemy knew. As always situation dictates.
HOOAH!
It really depends on the type of fighting you’re planning on getting involved in. Day to day routine or current normalcy rule of law environment? A helmet is stupid and concealed soft armor is the way to go if you feel the risk is elevated.Wouldn't the helmet make more sense in a fixed defensive position and fhe body armor when moving?
The thought is, in a defensive position your body can be behind a wall ... when walking around it is exposed.
Not trying to be a d*ck, just trying to learn something new.
Let's use real world data, the kind of people you might find if society collapsed overnight.
While headsets are deadlier (as expected), people get shot more times (about double) center mass than head.
Head here includes neck and face which are not protected by the helmet. For a breakdown of the numbers you can see the chart below.
You can argue most center mass shootings result in wounds, and you would be correct. But what types of wounds? ... wounds that you can keep going and treat yourself or wounds that kill you after a few hours without proper medical attention?
Also, add up all the numbers in this picture then look at the percentage that were head shots.
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Mythical ... you have my attention.It really depends on the type of fighting you’re planning on getting involved in. Day to day routine or current normalcy rule of law environment? A helmet is stupid and concealed soft armor is the way to go if you feel the risk is elevated.
But for actual conflict or some mythical doomsday/civil war scenario, if you get into a firefight, you’re going to be looking for cover. And then you’re going to try and expose as little as possible as you shoot, which generally ends up being your dome. And that’s not necessarily defensiveness positions. You’re going to be trying to maneuver, while also reducing your target size. But that dome always has a habit of protruding, whether it be during a half assed low crawl, running behind a stone wall, etc.
Ukrainian zombie dragons?Mythical ... you have my attention.
OP is going to fight dragons and zombies. Maybe zombie dragons.
Yep. All I've ever worn was a steel pot. Never even tried a K-pot...
Red dot/green dot aligned with sight line, you look/focus on target acquisition in CQB situation, dot appears on target and you shoot. Same as red/green dot sight mounted on firearm. I don't know if they exist or feasible, just a thought. I think it's better than a flashlight because even thou flashlight illuminates target, bad guy shoots back at light which is you.I’m sorry, I’ve been trying to think about this and at a dead end. Can you please elaborate on how a red dot mounted to a helmet would be useful?
How old are you?Like I said if I was a 25 yr old stud it would be more practical physically but at this point in time body armor would probably be more of a hindrance if I have to be mobile.
How old are you?