Gotta get the plaintiffs in the front of the line Saturday! Can a brother get some love? Lol
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Here's a direct link to the PDF of the order for anyone who needs it:
Here's the way I see the order- anyone in the know, please correct me if I'm wrong.
In other words, I think Four Seasons or any other shop could, should they have the cojones, come up with an 'interpretation' of the order such as four guns per hour per clerk, or ammo not counting as a 'transaction', or both. And then they could just do it.
- The judge's order gets the stores open.
- The conditions on the order are definitely binding constraints on the conditions the state can impose on any gun shops statewide. E.g., the state cannot impose additional restrictions on any shops without petitioning the court.
- I believe the conditions on the order may be enforceable by the court against the named plaintiffs, if the judge feels there is a violation
- I don't believe the conditions on the order are enforceable by the court against gun shops that are not named plaintiffs.
Unless Baker writes the court's orders into his own order, there is no state law violation that Maura or Woburn PD could enforce. Of course, they could write up such an enforceable order. But until they do, I think the gun shops could operate with impunity.
Certainly, I think there is room for non-named plaintiffs to nibble around the edges (say, 6 appointments per hour).
FIFY...every firearm purchased is like destroying one of maura’s whorecruxes.
User error. Appointment is and has always been what the order said. Correcting it nowWhy does everyone use the word "transaction"?
Is that in some document I've been unable to find? Everything I've read says "...not more than four appointments per hour..."
I agree. We can at least pick up guns and ammo.I have written on this forum before that people are usually off the mark if they think we are going to just "win it in the courts." Courts typically don't issue broad, sweeping decisions. Instead, they nibble at the margins, decide only that which needs to be decided, and defer what can be deferred. This isn't true only in gun cases -- it's true much of the time, and particularly true in cases like this one that seek injunctive relief, which under the law is viewed as an extraordinary remedy to begin with. That's why it's so important to stop legislation before it happens (when possible, of course; it wasn't possible here because Baker acted by emergency fiat).
Some are disappointed that this judge didn't go as far as we all would have liked. That's understandable, but it rarely works that way, and not just in gun cases.
In my view, any day that the State is rebuked on a gun rights case is a good day. And today's decision came from a judge sitting in Massachusetts! That's a rare day indeed.
Because the thumb is up their ass.This state is obsessed with the number 4. You can only sell 4 cars w/o a dealer's license, 4 guns w/o a FFL transfer, 4 appointments in a hour...it is because Beacon Hill can't count past four?
This state is obsessed with the number 4. You can only sell 4 cars w/o a dealer's license, 4 guns w/o a FFL transfer, 4 appointments in a hour...it is because Beacon Hill can't count past four?
Anyway, I can start practicing up for fall turkey, and for deer shotgun.
Commercial ranges. Ranges that are not open to the public and don't have customers or workers are not covered in the AG's order according to a very reasonable interpretation.Actually, you can’t. Ranges are still closed.
Wonder if it can be argued that it’s a safety issue here - people can buy guns but cannot practice with them.
Because the thumb is up their ass.
Not really. The state minions are very intelligent and capable people with a goal to accomplish. This just happens to be a case where they purport to be pusuing one goal while actually pursing another. They AGs office is either full of stupid people or they know exactly what they are trying to accomplish. My vote is on the later. Even NJ did not choose to go to the mat on this one like MA is (is, not was - this is just the first round).Because the thumb is up their ass.
It remains to be seen if the "non hobby" gun shops that generally handle dozens of transactions per hour on a Saturday will even bother open to do four per hour.If, in short order, local gun stores aren't fully booked with appointments for the foreseeable future, then shame on us.
Are there any other businesses that are limited to the number of transactions they can do in an hour?
Actually, you can’t. Ranges are still closed.
Wonder if it can be argued that it’s a safety issue here - people can buy guns but cannot practice with them. You cannot sight in or pattern that new gun you just bought.
Not really. The state minions are very intelligent and capable people with a goal to accomplish. This just happens to be a case where they purport to be pusuing one goal while actually pursing another. They AGs office is either full of stupid people or they know exactly what they are trying to accomplish. My vote is on the later. Even NJ did not choose to go to the mat on this one like MA is (is, not was - this is just the first round).
It remains to be seen if the "non hobby" gun shops that generally handle dozens of transactions per hour on a Saturday will even bother open to do four per hour.
Commercial ranges. Ranges that are not open to the public and don't have customers or workers are not covered in the AG's order according to a very reasonable interpretation.
Read the regulations where is says membes of the public, customers or workers - and ask if any of your members qualify.Can you or someone explain this interpretation to me? I am on the e-board of my small club and am having trouble aligning the rest of the board to the fact that private ranges were never covered under the range closure order.
Read the regulations where is says membes of the public, customers or workers - and ask if any of your members qualify.
Great work by NRA-ILA and GOAL and whoever else was responsible for this! Now maybe I can buy my pump action shotgun, just in time to catch one day of turkey season.
Assuming I can get an "appointment" before May 23
Anyway, I can start practicing up for fall turkey, and for deer shotgun.