Also how do you get the buyers signature on the online form. I could give my info to a dishonest seller and now that he has my info, he could file forms claiming I bought more guns from him because as the buyer, I am not signing anything.
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Confirmed instances of .pdf/paper FA-10 form rejection by MA FRB
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SJan
NES Member
Step 1. Fill out a paper form... be it a 3 part carbon copy, or a printed fill in the blank pdf.
Step 2. tear off copies, or make copies of your pdf
Step 3. keep one for yourself, one for the other party, and mail one in
drink a beer, you're done.
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hmmm, I never received a rejection letter...
Step 1. Fill out a paper form... be it a 3 part carbon copy, or a printed fill in the blank pdf.
Step 2. tear off copies, or make copies of your pdf
Step 3. keep one for yourself, one for the other party, and mail one in
drink a beer, you're done.
Damn! I knew I missed a step!
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RichM
Retired Army Veteran
How are errors detected / corrected?
If an incorrect number is overwritten or struck through, do they manually correct the error?
Do they notice / correct spelling errors? How about omissions (forgetting to check the rifle/handgun or caliber/gauge/mm boxes)?
If an incorrect number is overwritten or struck through, do they manually correct the error?
Do they notice / correct spelling errors? How about omissions (forgetting to check the rifle/handgun or caliber/gauge/mm boxes)?
namedpipes
NES Member
Nobody knows... They won't tell us.
Kicker96FS
NES Member
I wonder if they even look at them. For some reason I think they just toss it into a big pile on someone's desk that is out on an extended leave of absence.
One can only hope, then he'd burn the building down and maybe take out all the records.
namedpipes
NES Member
Since the rejection letter clearly states that those forms have not been recorded... do you think that they'd even notice if you didn't re-submit on new forms?![[devil2]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/017.gif "Devil2 [devil2]")
It is my belief that the claim the form was not scanned is a lie.
Agreed. Why would the CHSB/FRB tell the truth? Example: They have sent lies to dealers about the MA AWB before.
Well, there is a way to confirm this. It probably doesn't appear on the sellers end, but if the buyer wants to pay the fee and go through the BS, they can get a report from CJIS that supposedly lists all the guns "in their name". If the PDF-transferred gun appears on the list, then you would know that they lied.
-Mike
Not to rob the thread but I just picked up a FA 10 form at a local PD and they were printed copies (no boxes, no carbon back up). I figured if they were handing them out we would be alright. So I used them to do a ftf trade with a guy. So there most likly gonna come back huh? This state sucks.
Well, it all depends on what the form looks like. I know ones generated with the PDF are getting rejected. I am unsure what the criteria they are using for rejection.
It would be funny as hell if they quickly glance at the form and reject them if they are typewritten, but accept the ones that have handwriting in the boxes.
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-Mike
namedpipes
NES Member
You are required to file an FA-10 or eFA-10 within seven days of the transfer, using a form furnished by the FRB. The method of distribution of these forms is mandated by the FRB. They distribute the forms to the Police Departments and the PD distributes the forms to the people. The people fill it in and mail it in. You have completed the cycle and met your full obligation to the law.
If the FRB dishonors your filing, you will have to decide if you are willing to face the potential consequences of ignoring their rejection or refiling. Some here say the FRB will ignore the passive resister, I dunno.
It blows my mind that my local pd said I have to do it on line and they dont provide the forms any more( after they told my wife, when she tried to pick some up for me I had to print them off line). Then I go to another PD, and they give me a printed copy of the form. I fill it out by hand (there are no boxes on this form) and it could be rejected. These police departments have to get with the FBR and figure this thing out. We the people of Massachusetts are getting a raw deal. Why dont the PDs do us a favor and request this form for us. So at least we are able to COMPLY with the law, with out going on the computer.
Sorry for my rant, but dang. We pay these people.
Sorry for my rant, but dang. We pay these people.
Think about it for a minute... what's really in it for either of those entities to help you sell a gun? Nothing much, really. They have no incentive to help you. Obviously they are not doing their job, but what recourse do we have? FRB is executive office thing, basically controlled by Deval's underlings. Nothing will change there unless some political problem emerges over their practices.
-Mike
Got another back yesterday, tried to trick them by printing off the pdf and filling it in with pen but they caught it
Atleast theyre still sending a real one to fill in with it each time one gets denied.
Atleast theyre still sending a real one to fill in with it each time one gets denied.
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el duderino said:Got another back yesterday, tried to trick them by printing off the pdf and filling it in with pen but they caught it
Atleast theyre still sending a real one to fill in with it each time one gets denied.
This is what I do, let them mail me the form they want me to use because i complied with the law already and I can't seem to find the "new" form any anywhere else.
ntomsw
Banned
I was able to find some new 1 page serialized forms at a PD the other day. I also found some real 3 part FA-10 forms as well. I did call the DCJIS and told them Worcester 'doesn't have any', and they said they would mail them a bunch. I haven't had a chance yet to get to the WPD to see if they actually got them, or if they would even pass them out. I always get told by WPD to use the online system, and that paper forms are not allowed. I love local PD's wealth of knowledge, and total jack-ass-ery.
So, I will try and get there soon to see if they will give me some. I can't wait for this encounter. I don't think I am brave enough to tell them I called the DCJIS for them to request some forms.
So, I will try and get there soon to see if they will give me some. I can't wait for this encounter. I don't think I am brave enough to tell them I called the DCJIS for them to request some forms.
... I did call the DCJIS and told them Worcester 'doesn't have any', and they said they would mail them a bunch. I haven't had a chance yet to get to the WPD to see if they actually got them, or if they would even pass them out. I always get told by WPD to use the online system, and that paper forms are not allowed....
So, I will try and get there soon to see if they will give me some. I can't wait for this encounter. I don't think I am brave enough to tell them I called the DCJIS for them to request some forms.
I know you put a smiley, but it is ridiculous that someone would actually have to type that they are "brave enough" to force the police to do their jobs. Of course, that they have to even HAVE a form is an entirely DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
ntomsw
Banned
Yes indeed. At this point, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
turbo89
NES Member
Spoke too soon... I got a rejection letter today with a paper FA10.
ntomsw
Banned
Haven't people in this thread been talking about for a while now how the DCJIS is no longer accepting the PDF's? What am I missing?
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namedpipes
NES Member
With a paper FA10 you printed or a serialized goobermint provided paper FA10?
And did the rejection come with a serialized form?
