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Critique my LTC application reasoning
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Oooh, pick me! Pick me!
But that's exactly the opposite of the reason some folks give when saying the discretion to issue licenses should rest with local Chiefs!
Anytime someone suggests a state-wide standard, the local Chiefs say "but ... but ... I know these people and which ones are suitable!"
I walked into the Salem MA PD to apply for my license and not one of the local cops (including the Chief) knew me from a hole in the wall. You know why they didn't know me? Because I'm not a criminal, that's why.
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here is how it has been explained to me. There is a certain criteria for which the lisencesing authority has to go by. It must be uniform and unchanged. Some chiefs require letters for a Class A LTC. Which in most cases is fair. Think About it if you where them. Some kid or adult you have never met lives in your town and has applied for a class A LTC with no restrictions. Would you issue a lisence without getting to know them first. I would not be able to sleep at night if something happened after I just issued some one such a lisence. I understand that people will disagree with me on this issue. You have your right to your own oppinion and to correct my grammer and spelling.on another note. If infact its not required by Federal and state law, it can as said earlier be required by your local chief or town or city in which you have applied.
Now whos ready to flame this post? try and think positive on when composing your responce. I am not here to miss lead or offer false information, however i am trying to pass along information in which i recieved from my cheif, and my friends from the ATF.
Fortunately, the Founding Fathers disagreed with you:
Ya know, I was just reading down through all this to find the new posts, and was thinking what a crock it is that people have to go through all this to exercise a right. They don't need this for a right to free speech or any of the other rights. Like Derek said, it boggles the mind. The worst part is it may get even worse, or is it time enough is enough? Where is the mighty NRA with all their $$$?
I would.... it's every "free american's" right to be able to own firearms,
period end. Any additional restrictions is a form of "precrime"; eg, saying
that someone is guilty before they've ever done anything wrong.
Most of the country agrees with that assertion. If you believe that
such burdensome BS is the norm and a good thing, I'd suggest perhaps
that maybe you turn over the rock you might be living under.
-Mike
Underwhere,
Good luck with your application. I grew up in Lexington. I was denied an LTC there the first time I applied (20+ years ago) by the father of the current Det. Lt that will be reviewing your application.
The reason I was denied?
"We don't issue those to just anybody."
Like I said, good luck.
Good luck with your application. I grew up in Lexington. I was denied an LTC there the first time I applied (20+ years ago) by the father of the current Det. Lt that will be reviewing your application.
The reason I was denied?
"We don't issue those to just anybody."
Like I said, good luck.
here is how it has been explained to me. There is [sic] a certain criteria for which the lisencesing [sic] authority has to go by. It must be uniform and unchanged. Some chiefs require letters for a Class A LTC. Which in most cases is fair. Think About [sic] it if you where [sic] them. Some kid or adult you have never met lives in your town and has applied for a class A LTC with no restrictions. Would you issue a lisence [sic] without getting to know them first [?]. I would not be able to sleep at night if something happened after I just issued some one such a lisence [sic]. I understand that people will disagree with me on this issue. You have your right to your own oppinion [sic] and to correct my grammer [sic] and spelling.
Now whos [sic] ready to flame this post? try and think positive on when composing your responce [sic]. I am not here to miss lead [sic] or offer false information, however i am trying to pass along information in which i recieved from my cheif [sic], and my friends from the ATF.
Bovine by-product.
How can there be "uniform and unchanged" criteria when, as you admit, "some chiefs require letters for a Class A LTC" (indeed, ANY license) and some don't?
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Given that the police have access to an applicant's BOP file, including "sealed" records; the SP running fingerprints for them; the DMH providing a list of attempted suicides; and their own sources, including hearsay and rumors, in what way, shape, manner or form does a letter aid them? Put another way, what vital information are they deprived of by NOT demanding a letter to which they are NOT entitled?
You aid and abet the abuse of power to coddle a chief who may not be able to sleep at night. That is an appallingly poor trade-off and reveals your utter ignorance of what rights are and the priorities the Founding Fathers assigned them.
"They that can sacrifice an essential liberty in order to obtain a little temporary safety will have neither."
Ben Franklin
Neither do such deserve them.
And it's "BATFE" and has been for over half a decade.
- Not being known to cops should be a good thing.
- If it was uniform and fair, then there would be no discretion.
- Most people in the free parts of the country don't have to put up with reasonable bullshit
- Please stay in your socialist hell hole and don't move where I live.
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My updated letter:
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Well, to me the 'new' letter still does not demonstrate the 'need' for ALP. In reading it, it clearly says to me that target and hunting would work for you just fine.
I don't have any suggestions for you since I did not have to go thru writing a letter for my town. My cousin who coincidently is applying in the same town still does not have his letter made up yet but he has a good reason why he should get ALP (deals with lots of cash and medical equipment/drugs).
I don't have any suggestions for you since I did not have to go thru writing a letter for my town. My cousin who coincidently is applying in the same town still does not have his letter made up yet but he has a good reason why he should get ALP (deals with lots of cash and medical equipment/drugs).
It seems to me that whatever you write on the application isn't going to "convince" the chief that you deserve a license or not. Obviously if you wrote you were going to go shoot up an office somewhere they wouldn't issue you one, but it seems like they would rely on the references and your record moreso than what you say about yourself. That said, what you put looks good, all the reasons you want the license, all in a polite, concise manner. But for what you wrote there, they may find a restricted license for target shooting only to be appropriate, so you may want to include that you wish to carry for self defense at times too. As for the reason for this, IMO you shouldn't NEED a reason to want to carry for self defense other than that it's your right to, but I doubt thats a convincing argument to a police chief. I just wrote "for all lawful purposes" on for form for my town, but I was told it was a gun-friendly issuer so a longer reason wasn't really necessary. Good luck with your application, and be prepared to wait a while! (It's been two months on mine so far)
-Tom
-Tom
I agree.
The 'new' letter still lacks persuasive content, and fails to state the case for needing a Class A unrestricted LTC.
Darius Arbabi
I've dealt with lawyers several times. The first consultation, where you quickly lay out the issue, is generally free. So after 10-15 minutes of describing the situation to the attorney, the attorney would then tell me what he thinks the best course of action would be and gave me an estimate of how much time (and thus dollars) it would take.
So, rather than assume it would be outrageously expensive, why not call one up and ask? It might be far less cost than you are expecting.
So, rather than assume it would be outrageously expensive, why not call one up and ask? It might be far less cost than you are expecting.
I'd imagine most of the prelim work was already done here, other than some final touching up and polishing. The thing that helps is that the police are getting the application through the lawyer from the get-go, so they know the applicant is not messing around. I can't imagine it would cost much to do up some paperwork generated mostly here, and file it. The $$ part comes in if it gets denied, and how far you want to take it.
Of course, I'm not a lawyer, nor do know too many, but that sounds like a semi reasonable guess, doesn't it?![[wave]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/011.gif "Wave [wave]")
Of course, I'm not a lawyer, nor do know too many, but that sounds like a semi reasonable guess, doesn't it?
TY43215
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TY43215
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From the point of view of the Licensing Authority, what reason would be persuasive enough for a 21yr old full time college student? I really can not think of a reason or argument that would persuade me. It is a catch 22. The Licensing Authority wants you to show experience but the experience can not be gained without the LTC.
All that said, I have had my LTC since I was 21 (Man, that was a while ago) and it was issued Protection of Life and Property.
I personally do not feel you should have to state a reason but the fact is, a reason is required by many. My reason was LEO so it was never an issue.
(C-X-I am not putting you on the spot here I just chose your post for my reply to make my point)
I think the NRA gave up a long time ago as far as fighting in mass. Thankfully they are still giving money to our local clubs though, my local club just got a grant to update the indoor range backstop. But as far as fighting the powers to be the NRA seems to know mass is pretty much a lost cause.
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Yeah, I see how it's a catch 22.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but just a correction. I'm not a 21 year old college student. I would love to date one though (female please).
I spoke with a retired det. today and he said he would write my reference letter and give the person who approves a call. We'll see what happens.
Which is why I'm not sure I'll even become a member... I'd rather support a local group like GOAL that is fighting in this state than one that "gave up" on my area; financial support that is. The court case in DC made me wonder what the NRA is doing with all that money.
But back on topic, the retired det. should be a good reference I'd think!
Good luck finding one that would be on these forums
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its nice to see the over aggressive liberals in here showing their true colors. anyways.. just because cops know who you are does not mean you are a criminal. Family friends who are cops in your town do not mean you have to be criminal to know cops.
Nice! You'll be good to go then.
