Dallas PO enters wrong apartment, kills occupant

headednorth said:
No, I'm not denying she got special treatment because she's a cop. If it were me or you we'd of left the building in cuffs. I don't even think race was an issue when it came how they handled her post shooting. Really I think if the victim was white the result would of been the same. They protect their own until they can't justify doing so.
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Couple of years back, Dallas had some of their pigs mowed down by highly accurate rifle fire from a disaffected black dude who really understood the art of the rifle and was tired of blacks being murdered by white cops and getting away with it. Looks like the Dallas pigs did not learn their lesson very well.
 
308rifleman said:
Couple of years back, Dallas had some of their pigs mowed down by highly accurate rifle fire from a disaffected black dude who really understood the art of the rifle and was tired of blacks being murdered by white cops and getting away with it. Looks like the Dallas pigs did not learn their lesson very well.
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A few cops aren't fit to serve, but that comment says more about you than them. Show some appreciation for the majority who protect you while you sleep.
 
Brewer said:
A few cops aren't fit to serve, but that comment says more about you than them. Show some appreciation for the majority who protect you while you sleep.
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Agree 100% with the first sentence. Just checked, no Po-Po standing guard on my porch, so must be Lady Radtekk and I protecting ourselves.
 
Radtekk said:
Agree 100% with the first sentence. Just checked, no Po-Po standing guard on my porch, so must be Lady Radtekk and I protecting ourselves.
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Chevy 2 65 said:
What ? I don't see any cops standing guard in front of my house.
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Don't mean literally on your porch. I'm quoting George Orwell, who was talking about keeping order in society: “People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.”
 
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JoseyWales said:
Should me or you have relied on that Broward County sheriff for protection during that school shooting?

The police aren't obligated to protect me or you.
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Agreed, we're ultimately responsible for our own defense. A German dog, Austrian pistol, and Israeli bullpup will respond faster and more precisely than the cops.

But you're making a straw man argument. "This person sucked as an LEO, which proves all cops suck." The Broward County sherriff's office and this Dallas cop are receiving well-deserved criticism for being unfit to serve and reinforcing society's expectation that cops be better than them. It's ridiculous to impose their ineptness on over 1 million LEOs in the US. The only logical conclusion to that argument is to say we should disband police altogether. If that's how you feel, name for me a society in history that didn't organize armed law enforcement and then tell me where they are now.
 
Brewer said:
Agreed, we're ultimately responsible for our own defense. A German dog, Austrian pistol, and Israeli bullpup will respond faster and more precisely than the cops.

But you're making a straw man argument. "This person sucked as an LEO, which proves all cops suck." The Broward County sherriff's office and this Dallas cop are receiving well-deserved criticism for being unfit to serve and reinforcing society's expectation that cops be better than them. It's ridiculous to impose their ineptness on over 1 million LEOs in the US. The only logical conclusion to that argument is to say we should disband police altogether. If that's how you feel, name for me a society in history that didn't organize armed law enforcement and then tell me where they are now.
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Since the idea of police as we understand it basically started in NYC in the 19th century, and every major dictatorship since had employed armed LE, we could make the same argument in the reverse.

The reality is that cops are people. Pretending that they're somehow better than human is foolish. Some will do a good job. Since will be corrupt. We're should punish the corrupt, and thank those who do well.

We're should not call anyone hero if they haven't earned the title. Wearing a uniform is not by itself heroic.
 
Bob P said:
The Dems are mounting a hard challenge to Ted. Seriously LOT of money being spent here-about and Dallas flips red/blue. Lotta votes at stake.
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That "serious" challenge is down by 9 points... The only people who think it's "serious" are the lib pollers who are trying to put out phony polls to suppress conservative voters. They tried that with Trump too.... How did that turn out?

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ThePreBanMan said:
That "serious" challenge is down by 9 points... The only people who think it's "serious" are the lib pollers who are trying to put out phony polls to suppress conservative voters. They tried that with Trump too.... How did that turn out?

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Yes. That’s a “serious” effort. Happily it’s not winning but not taking it “seriously” is how you lose elections
 
308rifleman said:
Couple of years back, Dallas had some of their pigs mowed down by highly accurate rifle fire from a disaffected black dude who really understood the art of the rifle and was tired of blacks being murdered by white cops and getting away with it. Looks like the Dallas pigs did not learn their lesson very well.
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I hate bad cops just as much as the next person. There are enough of them out there unfortunately. But not all cops are bad.. I don't think most cops are bad. Most of them are honest people just trying to make a living in a dangerous line of work. I do think the bad ones are the ones you hear about. No one hears anything in the news about how Officer B prevented a robbery, apprehended a criminal on the lam, broke up a domestic violence situation and protected a battered woman, etc... No - none of that in the news. But they live it daily... and mostly thanklessly.

So please don't lump them all in together and cast them all as bad people. Because let's be honest, when there's something strange in the neighborhood, who you gonna call? It ain't the GhostBusters.

Call out the bad cops when and where there are bad cops. Prosecute when they break the law - just like anyone else. But you're wrong to cast them all in the same negative connotation.
 
Do you live here? The comment that upset you started with why Cruz was commenting on the issue. Dallas is a swing city. Austin and Huston are both blue. Dallas is kind of purple. Cruz is being smart. The Dems are more likely to take FL than TX sure BUT only a stupid politician ignores swing voters.
 
Brewer said:
Don't mean literally on your porch. I'm quoting George Orwell, who was talking about keeping order in society: “People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.”
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I think he was referring to those in the armed services.

If there anything we should have learned in the last few years it’s that the police have no obligation to protect you and can blatantly stand by as someone is murdering kids (Broward County, Vegas etc.) and face no repercussions.

It’s not nearly as dangerous a job as it is made out to be.
 
ThePreBanMan said:
Call out the bad cops when and where there are bad cops. Prosecute when they break the law - just like anyone else. But you're wrong to cast them all in the same negative connotation.
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If the "bad cops" who WILLFULLY did bad shit got actually punished to a statistically significant level rather than getting a pass because "hero" there might be a little less lumping together.

Junior314 said:
It’s not nearly as dangerous a job as it is made out to be.
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But wait... Didn't the last cop to get shot make number 36 for the year NATIONWIDE? Last year was 35 for the full year. We have an epidemic on our hands!
 
Radtekk said:
If the "bad cops" who WILLFULLY did bad shit got actually punished to a statistically significant level rather than getting a pass because "hero" there might be a little less lumping together.


But wait... Didn't the last cop to get shot make number 36 for the year NATIONWIDE? Last year was 35 for the full year. We have an epidemic on our hands!
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I agree with your first point. But IMHO that doesn't warrant condemning the many innocent/good because of the bad. That's what lumping them together and imposing guilt by association does. Just because someone is a cop doesn't make them a bad person. But you talk of them as such.

On point 2 - they have a lot more to worry about aside from getting shot. They could get poked by a dirty needle searching someone, take a shot to the face from someone resisting arrest, get in an accident while involved in a chase... there's a great risk for harm in performing the job. So I don't agree with you just offhandedly dismissing the dangers of the job.

And.... as evidenced by you, they perform a largely thankless job.

You know what's funny though.... This kind of thing is exactly how the libs look at gun owners. They assign guilt by association as well. Because of the acts of a few, they distrust and assign guilt to all..... in their case it's against gun owners....

Open your mind brother... don't make the same mistake...
 
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Radtekk said:
If the "bad cops" who WILLFULLY did bad shit got actually punished to a statistically significant level rather than getting a pass because "hero" there might be a little less lumping together.


But wait... Didn't the last cop to get shot make number 36 for the year NATIONWIDE? Last year was 35 for the full year. We have an epidemic on our hands!
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ThePreBanMan said:
I agree with your first point. But IMHO that doesn't warrant condemning the many innocent/good because of the bad. That's what lumping them together and imposing guilt by association does. Just because someone is a cop doesn't make them a bad person. But you talk of them as such.

On point 2 - they have a lot more to worry about aside from getting shot. They could get poked by a dirty needle searching someone, take a shot to the face from someone resisting arrest, get in an accident while involved in a chase... there's a great risk for harm in performing the job. So I don't agree with you just offhandedly dismissing the dangers of the job.

And.... as evidenced by you, they perform a largely thankless job.

You know what's funny though.... This kind of thing is exactly how the libs look at gun owners. They assign guilt by association as well. Because of the acts of a few, they distrust and assign guilt to all..... in their case it's against gun owners....

Open your mind brother... don't make the same mistake...
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I don’t see where Radteck lumped anyone together.
 
ThePreBanMan said:
I agree with your first point. But IMHO that doesn't warrant condemning the many innocent/good because of the bad. That's what lumping them together and imposing guilt by association does. Just because someone is a cop doesn't make them a bad person. But you talk of them as such.

On point 2 - they have a lot more to worry about aside from getting shot. They could get poked by a dirty needle searching someone, take a shot to the face from someone resisting arrest, get in an accident while involved in a chase... there's a great risk for harm in performing the job. So I don't agree with you just offhandedly dismissing the dangers of the job.

And.... as evidenced by you, they perform a largely thankless job.

You know what's funny though.... This kind of thing is exactly how the libs look at gun owners. They assign guilt by association as well. Because of the acts of a few, they distrust and assign guilt to all..... in their case it's against gun owners....

Open your mind brother... don't make the same mistake...
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Jason Flare said:
I don’t see where Radteck lumped anyone together.
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The problem is that the supposed "good" cops do virtually (yes, demonstrably) nothing when the "bad" cops are bad. Guilt by association, adherence to the "Thin Blue Line" mentality, etc. In the context of the post regarding Pope porn, the cops and the priesthood are guilty of essentially the same things: circling the wagons and "transferring" the offenders somewhere else where their indiscretions are unknown, without warning an unsuspecting populace. This all makes good cops that are complicit BAD cops. If the claim is "to serve and protect" and they willingly allow a wolf in the fold, claiming any semblance of innocence is outright dishonesty.

As far as the job they do, setting themselves apart as elites doesn't serve any purpose other than dividing us all into different "classes". Also, if they spent more time solving crimes than handing out tickets, I'd appreciate their effort a little more.

Refarding the risks, first off they took the job eyes wide open. If they choose to leave for moral, philosophical, physical, emotional or other reasons, there are PLENTY of other career choices. Maybe not with the built in perks and advantages though.

And yes, I fully appreciate the risks they take daily. Way back when, I bounced in bars. I've had guns pointed at me, knives pulled on me. No bulletproof vest or mace for me though. And my friend who got stabbed and died defending a girl from her drunk ex didn't get a parade. I've also seen cops die in my hospital. Know what, I've seen other people die too.

I'm not lumping people together that don't deserve to be lumped. But I refuse to give folks a pass just because of the clothes they wear, or not hold them responsible for their actions. That cop that shot the guy in his apartment, for whatever reason, with whatever excuse, SHOT A GUY that shouldn't have been shot. She deserves every single but of grief that comes her way. Just like if I inject IV contrast into a person with a documented allergy, I am 100% responsible and deserve to be held accountable. And too goddamn bad if it was my third double in a row. Nobody forced me either.
 
Randy Lahey said:
“See folks, no crime committed, he was on the reefer!”
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On the reefer?
Totally unsafe.

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Brewer said:
Don't mean literally on your porch. I'm quoting [Richard Grenier], who was talking about keeping order in society: “People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.”
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FIFY.

Grenier was trying to characterize Orwell's comments but I think he did a poor job. IMO, Grenier's comment is simply incorrect.

Orwell did say, "men can only be highly civilized while other men, inevitably less civilized, are there to guard and feed them," which doesn't seem to me to have the same point.
 

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