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Isn't calling them the "far right" the same as calling them extremists?
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Isn't calling them the "far right" the same as calling them extremists?
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Regardless of the hyperbole and associated hysteria on both sides, the entire Epstein thing has pretty much sealed the deal on how I view the federal government. Trump could of done something his 1st term, whoever was in charge of Biden could of done something and now Trump is looking like he wont do anything about it. I hope that changes. But I suspect it wont.
Protecting diddlers is something i would consider "extreme."
Not going to be easy to drag me back under the (R) banner with this sort of shit going on.
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In any case, F the Ds and Rs alike.
Agreed that the epstein thing is 100% outrageous, the only thing that's not clear is whether the president - either president - actually had the power (not on paper, in practice) to get the 3 letter agencies to cooperate with uncovering any of it.
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Say the president cant get the 3 letters to step in line (and i think this could very well be a thing, certainly not impossible).
If that's the case the people need to know. Because that is a horror show and cannot be allowed.
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This.
Political posturing aside not much of substance seems to change much term to term regardless of who is in charge. I am hoping that Trumps handling of the illegals is a start.
Who cares if he is a gun owner?
Gun owner vs actually caring about rights and understanding why they exist are two completely different things.
Example 1: Kamala is a gun owner.
Example 2: Biden is a gun owner.
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You think they're liberals but they're not. They're socialists and communists. Democrats are a different thing altogether. But lately even democrats are realizing that wandering through life unarmed is stupid.
MAGA, in the scheme of global and even American politics isn’t “far right” by any stretch.
The left has gone so insane left that modern moderate Republicans look far right in the extremely skewed Overton window
Trump
Elon
Tulsi
RFK
All Former democrats, and their views didn’t change in any extreme manner
Again, I was a liberal. Becoming introduced to firearms and 2A support was my introduction to conservative politics. I haven’t voted for a Democrat in decades.
What swayed me initially was the hard push from democrats to strip my new found interest and freedom away. So as long as democrats keep pushing to abolish and eliminate firearms ownership and carrying firearms in public, there will be new gun owners changing from D to R.
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No. They are not realizing that.
They weren't so obsessed with getting guns in October 2024.
They are carrying guns because they think the MAGA crowd is here to destroy them.
They are perfectly fine with the way things have been run in their blue States.
Not only they are not carrying for fear of crime, they are conspiring to protect criminals by trying to find ways to stop any deportation from happening.
Go spend 5min in r/Massachusetts and you will see.
Most gun owners are not in the enthusiast end of the spectrum where it becomes "a main thing" most people in this country who own guns think of it like an appliance not something really important to preserve freedom with.
Most of these people will buy a gun and it's going to collect dust / remain in a box like a talisman.
they get all amped up and then their gunboner dies once they realize this is a skill driven thing and even mediocre marksmanship is not a given without putting in work.Actually that kind of brings up like a secondary topic I think there's an awful lot of gun owners that are of the dust collector variety that don't actually shoot their shit because they are embarrassed at themselves barely being able to get on the paper or whatever but they won't even make the minimal commitment to like pretend to learn fundamentals or something. And I'll be the first person to go on the record to say I'm not like a great shooter, compared to probably most of the people reading the thread but at least if I have a handgun I can go to the range and not completely embarrass myself. There's kind of a level of awareness that like when at least you've hit that much you not as pissed off at the result because you know why the result exists. A lot of these people buy but don't shoot because they don't like the fact that they shoot terribly but they won't do anything about it. I've even seen patterns where people will buy and then they shoot horribly and they blame the gun and sell it wash rinse repeat etc but that's like a whole other manic thing. It's a very expensive way of chasing like dopamine hits or something.
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Than be free to wear anything you want, baby!!!!
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We used to have Democrat gun owners. JFK, RFK. When Democrats were part of the community, we were free. 2A was as accepted as 1A.
This is how it worked before so if we are to restore our rights, we need Democrats.
This is no different than the current Republican cabinet: it's big tent that allows Liberals, like Tulsi and RFK Jr. Even Musk is a long time liberal. As a result, this administration is making a LOT more progress and has more popular support than any administration before.
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I know this long time pilot. He shoots at Ames. He once said an interesting quote about aviation: "Safety through proficiency". In Aviation, they train a lot to become proficient and as a result, safe. I believe the same attitude needs to applies to firearms. Anyone who does not maintain proficiency is not a safe shooter.Actually that kind of brings up like a secondary topic I think there's an awful lot of gun owners that are of the dust collector variety that don't actually shoot their shit because they are embarrassed at themselves barely being able to get on the paper or whatever but they won't even make the minimal commitment to like pretend to learn fundamentals or something. And I'll be the first person to go on the record to say I'm not like a great shooter, compared to probably most of the people reading the thread but at least if I have a handgun I can go to the range and not completely embarrass myself. There's kind of a level of awareness that like when at least you've hit that much you not as pissed off at the result because you know why the result exists. A lot of these people buy but don't shoot because they don't like the fact that they shoot terribly but they won't do anything about it. I've even seen patterns where people will buy and then they shoot horribly and they blame the gun and sell it wash rinse repeat etc but that's like a whole other manic thing. It's a very expensive way of chasing like dopamine hits or something.
While I'm getting old and have been winding down my collection, the firearms I still have, I shoot regularly. They day I can no longer maintain proficiency with my firearms, I'll hang it up for good.
The Democrats gave us state and local Jim Crow gun laws after the civil war.
The NFA was introduced by a Democrat in 1934 and signed by a Democrat President.
Same with the FFA in 1938.
The GCA was introduced by a Democrat in 1968 and signed by a Democrat President.
And it just kept getting worse. But the Democratic Party has always been an enemy of the 2A.
Don’t get me wrong, I’ve got friends and family who are pro 2A gun owners and democrats. Though, their “pro-2A”ishness varies. But the common thing among all of them is that they all got there from general firearms interest over time. Not sudden conversion because of a temporary partisan shift in federal power.
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