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You Can Buy Gold Bars at Costco. But Are They Worth It?

Ron Williams,a retired Air Force production superintendent in Utah, usually buys gold investment coins and bars from his precious-metals dealer. But when he found 1-ounce gold bars available on Costco Wholesale’s website recently, he decided to give them a shot.

“They seem pretty competitive with other bullion dealers,” says the 62-year-old Williams. “And the shipping is free.”

While he doesn’t expect to routinely buy gold bars at the big-box retailer, Williams is now among a vocal number of Costco fanatics and gold buyers who have flocked to the retailer’s website over the past year when it periodically puts up limited quantities of gold bars for sale.

Members of Facebook groups and Reddit message boards dedicated to Costco and gold post alerts when the gold bars are available. Those who miss out on the fast-moving items often grumble, while those who made purchases often report their success, sometimes including pictures and prices paid.

Costco declined to comment about its gold-bullion product. In earnings calls during 2023, finance chief Richard Galanti acknowledged the popularity of the gold bars, saying that when the retailer loads them on the site they are typically sold within a few hours. Even with a limit of two per member, Galanti said in Costco’s fiscal first-quarter earnings call Dec. 14 that the company sold over $100 million in gold during the quarter.

Some buyers of Costco gold are bargain hunting, and others are likely buying gold for the first time. Yet the same types of gold bars the retailer sells are available elsewhere at similar prices, and investors can trade gold-backed exchange-traded funds without worries about theft or storing physical gold. So why buy from Costco—or other general retailers like Walmart—instead of a traditional gold seller, and is it a good deal?

Reaping rewards

While gold dealers might sell a variety of gold products—both coins and bullion bars—when Costco’s website opens gold sales often it is only in 1-ounce minted bullion bars, usually one of two types of bars from Swiss-based refiner MKS PAMP or one type from South Africa’s Rand Refinery. Costco also has sold gold in other amounts and recently offered silver coins.

What’s more, Costco doesn’t have spot gold prices on its website for easy price comparisons. Because gold prices are volatile, listed prices will vary, and Costco’s price may be above or below the day’s spot gold price. On Dec. 14, for instance, a 1-ounce PAMP 2024 Azure Dragon minted gold bar was available on Costco’s site for $2,079.99, about 2.5% over spot gold prices that day. It was gone in less than two hours.

Regardless, buyers say the cash-back rewards they get make it worth the buy. Costco members who upgrade to the retailer’s $120 executive membership earn 2% cash-back rewards to spend at the warehouse club, so buying a $2,000 1-ounce gold bar nets them $40. Others say they earn credit-card rewards, which lowers the cost as well.

Costco shoppers also get free shipping and don’t pay credit-card-processing fees. Online gold dealers charge for secure shipping and pass on the credit-card-processing fees to customers, which may add at least 3% to the final cost. On a coin costing $2,079.99, that is an extra $62.40. Dealers often have lower prices for customers paying by check or money wire.

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The challenges with physical gold buying are twofold: the seller’s reputation and the price.

“What are you buying and how do you know the purity? And there can be very large premiums on those bars or those coins,” says Will Rhind, CEO of GraniteShares, which issues gold ETFs.

But with Costco, he says, there is an element of trust that might encourage new buyers to jump in.

Arun Sundaram, a retailing analyst at CFRA Research who covers Costco, says the periodic gold-bullion offerings are all part of Costco’s treasure-hunt-like shopping experience. “That’s one of the reasons that Costco has done so well in recent years. That’s what drives traffic and also membership growth,” he says.

“You can put this in the same category as Costco’s $1.50 hot dogs and drink combo, or the $4.99 rotisserie chicken product. Those are just traffic drivers, not profit centers,” he adds.

Peter Thomas, chairman of the offshore development for Ausecure, a Chicago-based precious-metals wholesaler and retailer, thinks Costco’s decision to offer PAMP bars in particular is smart, given the high quality of the product. PAMP’s flagship Lady Fortuna bar has a proprietary QR code on the card that identifies the piece that is also embedded in the bar itself to prevent counterfeiting. The QR code includes when the bar was poured and other identifying information.

“You’re guaranteed that it is legitimate gold and I could buy one and put it in the safe at home or in my safety-deposit box. It’s a serious investment,” says Thomas, a longtime gold dealer who adds that he would feel comfortable buying a PAMP bar from a noncustomer.

Storage and sales

Costco buyers may be getting good deals on their purchases at the store, but they have other costs to consider once they receive their goods. There are the potential costs to safely and securely store the gold. And if and when they want to sell it, they need to do their homework to find a gold dealer who will negotiate a fair price since Costco isn’t a dealer and doesn’t allow gold-bar returns.

Reputable dealers may offer anywhere from 3% to 5% or more under the spot gold price, depending on the type of gold bar or coin and its quality. And all gold owners, whether in gold-backed ETFs or in physical form, will have to pay capital-gains taxes of up to 28% when they sell because the Internal Revenue Service characterizes gold as a collectible.

These dealer discounts and storage costs are why ETFs are many investors’ preferred way to own gold.

Physical-gold buyers are different from ETF buyers, says Eric Freedman, chief investment officer at U.S. Bank. “There’s the fear that if they own it in ETF form, perhaps there are scenarios that exist where they may not be able to access that capital,” he says.

Mike Fuljenz, president of Universal Coin & Bullion in Beaumont, Texas, says gold coins became useful for him when a recent hurricane disrupted banking and otherservices for a while.

When there were limits on withdrawals at automated-teller machines, he sold small gold pieces to a local dealer for cash. “This is kind of the reason why people like physical gold,” he says.

I've heard multiple people here on NES ask where they can buy gold or silver. Who is trustworthy?

IMHO Costco is highly trustworthy. And no credit card fees and getting credit card miles, plus the cash back is a bonus. It makes perfect sense.

But, you have to catch them when they're in stock. And there's a limit on how much one can buy.
 
Not sure why a hot jobs report would cause gold to strengthen. If anything I would expect a drop in price if a soft landing was expected or even a no landing. Is a wage spiral causing it?
 
Not sure why a hot jobs report would cause gold to strengthen. If anything I would expect a drop in price if a soft landing was expected or even a no landing. Is a wage spiral causing it?

Dollar dropped some from yesterday. But that does not account for such a big jump.

Looks like someone dumped a bunch, driving the price down about 8:30 AM EST. But what a reversal!
 
Dollar dropped some from yesterday. But that does not account for such a big jump.

Looks like someone dumped a bunch, driving the price down about 8:30 AM EST. But what a reversal!
I’m happy to say I bought that dip this morning.
 
Gold is getting whipsawed by the US dollar volatility.

US dollar skyrockets this morning, gold crashes. US dollar crashes, gold rises. US dollar climbs back, gold drops down.

Inverse relationship... in essence a bet on gold is a bet on a crashing US dollar and nasty world events...


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Not sure why a hot jobs report would cause gold to strengthen. If anything I would expect a drop in price if a soft landing was expected or even a no landing. Is a wage spiral causing it?

I think it’s literally just computer algorithms trading back and forth. Human traders probably realize data doesn’t matter.
 
Gold is getting whipsawed by the US dollar volatility.

US dollar skyrockets this morning, gold crashes. US dollar crashes, gold rises. US dollar climbs back, gold drops down.

Inverse relationship... in essence a bet on gold is a bet on a crashing US dollar and nasty world events...


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Be careful to attribute gold to dollar moves. Everything is moving together right now based on the Fed, including the dollar.
 
Be careful to attribute gold to dollar moves. Everything is moving together right now based on the Fed, including the dollar.

The impact on what we pay for gold here in the US is impacted by the value of the US dollar vs other currencies.

If the dollar decreases in value by 5%, it will take 5% more dollars to buy an ounce of gold. It's just math.

That's not the only thing that impacts the price of gold. Certainly normal supply/demand forces are at work. There's the flight to safety during worrisome times.

But it's no different than what we US folks pay for foreign goods when the dollar gets weaker. Our costs for those goods goes up.


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The impact on what we pay for gold here in the US is impacted by the value of the US dollar vs other currencies.

If the dollar decreases in value by 5%, it will take 5% more dollars to buy an ounce of gold. It's just math.

That's not the only thing that impacts the price of gold. Certainly normal supply/demand forces are at work. There's the flight to safety during worrisome times.

But it's no different than what we US folks pay for foreign goods when the dollar gets weaker. Our costs for those goods goes up.


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All true, but remember gold is a global commodity, if China or the Polish central bank buy gold, gold goes up, dollar doesn’t. And gold went up 14% in 2023 and dollar went down 2%.

So gold’s moves are not tied to the dollar, they just tend to move inversely.

So it’s incorrect to say “gold is up cause the dollar is down” - there’s usually something else driving both.
 
Follow my math here. Annual worldwide gold production is about 3100 metric tonnes. That converts to 5,666.43 cubic feet of gold per year.

A 24'x24'x10' garage is 5760 cubic feet of space.

So, all the gold produced in the world fits into a standard 2 car garage.

Someone check my math...
 
Follow my math here. Annual worldwide gold production is about 3100 metric tonnes. That converts to 5,666.43 cubic feet of gold per year.

A 24'x24'x10' garage is 5760 cubic feet of space.

So, all the gold produced in the world fits into a standard 2 car garage.

Someone check my math...

Looks right.
 
I don’t like to see gold rallying for BS reasons, inflation going away or Fed rate cut expectations. But if those BS reasons can get gold to break out above $2100, maybe it doesn’t matter.
 
Follow my math here. Annual worldwide gold production is about 3100 metric tonnes. That converts to 5,666.43 cubic feet of gold per year.

A 24'x24'x10' garage is 5760 cubic feet of space.

So, all the gold produced in the world fits into a standard 2 car garage.

Someone check my math...

It seems impossible that you can have all these mining stocks and such that are tied to such a small output. I realize the price per unit is large but still all that equipment and support and manpower for annual output that fits in a garage. Doesn't seem to match up.
 
I don’t like to see gold rallying for BS reasons, inflation going away or Fed rate cut expectations. But if those BS reasons can get gold to break out above $2100, maybe it doesn’t matter.

IMHO it will take a large flight to safety to get the emotional pop you're looking for.

With things heating up in the Red Sea, well, that could be the moving force.
 
It seems impossible that you can have all these mining stocks and such that are tied to such a small output. I realize the price per unit is large but still all that equipment and support and manpower for annual output that fits in a garage. Doesn't seem to match up.

They typically get a gram of gold out of a ton of rock.

And the market cap of the entire gold industry is less than that of Home Depot.
 


wtf even is that?

I'm thinking of selling all my miners and buying this, probably need a loan though.

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Interest rates rising, stronger dollar, drop in PM prices.
Perhaps interconnectedly, December retail sales "beating expectations" suggests fed rate cuts might get postponed and that the economy is strong. Consumer debt levels also rose, however, which raises the question of whether consumers can keep spending or will hit a wall.
 
Perhaps interconnectedly, December retail sales "beating expectations" suggests fed rate cuts might get postponed and that the economy is strong. Consumer debt levels also rose, however, which raises the question of whether consumers can keep spending or will hit a wall.


The US dollar has given up most of today's gains, and gold did not move up. You're likely right.
 
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