Guide to gun rights in your Massachusetts town

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I just tried to search and can't find it. If you found it, can you please let me know? If you can't, no big deal, I'll just memorize the NRA book and Mass laws!
 
Personally I think Plainville needs to be changed to black. We have "little general syndrome" here in this town. I know of one person that has an unrestricted license, and I personally believe it's because of town connections.

Long story....... I was there for a SECOND time regarding my unrestricted LTC, needless to say Bona won't issue unrestricted........ (YES I said Bona, she's making the decision NOT the chief.)
 
keylimes said:
Personally I think Plainville needs to be changed to black. We have "little general syndrome" here in this town. I know of one person that has an unrestricted license, and I personally believe it's because of town connections.

Long story....... I was there for a SECOND time regarding my unrestricted LTC, needless to say Bona won't issue unrestricted........ (YES I said Bona, she's making the decision NOT the chief.)
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Towns that issue restricted LTC-A's are listed as RED TOWNS. Towns that issue LTC-B's in place of LTC-A's are listed as BLACK TOWNS. So Plainville will remain RED.

FWIW, It's not that uncommon for the Chief to outsource permit issuing to other ranking officers on the force. The officers are in many times are just a puppet and do as they are instructed from the Chief or other high ranking official. Example, Bellingham LTC's used to be issued from Lt. R, and he usually issued un-restricted LTC's [smile]
 
A couple of Newton questions I was asked:

- Define high capacity firearm
- How are you supposed to store firearms in the home?

My answers weren't 100% right (should have reviewed the safety class materials), but he considered it a pass. Class A, T&H restricted though.

Good luck!
 
smallcircle said:
A couple of Newton questions I was asked:

- Define high capacity firearm
- How are you supposed to store firearms in the home?

My answers weren't 100% right (should have reviewed the safety class materials), but he considered it a pass. Class A, T&H restricted though.

Good luck!
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such bullshit that you had to go through that. utter shite. Eff Newton and their "better than the average person" complex.
 
I had a quick question and I'm sorry if it was covered in the post earlier but 205 pages is a lot to read.

If I got my class A unrestricted in a green town and moved to a town that was listed as red would I still have the issue renewing my license? I understand they are likely to issue a restricted license but does that mainly apply to new applicants or everyone? I just want to know so I don't move and find out that i can no longer carry
 
agentx said:
I had a quick question and I'm sorry if it was covered in the post earlier but 205 pages is a lot to read.

If I got my class A unrestricted in a green town and moved to a town that was listed as red would I still have the issue renewing my license? I understand they are likely to issue a restricted license but does that mainly apply to new applicants or everyone? I just want to know so I don't move and find out that i can no longer carry
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That COMPLETELY depends n the town to which you are moving. Some wont downgrade, some will.
 
agentx said:
I had a quick question and I'm sorry if it was covered in the post earlier but 205 pages is a lot to read.

If I got my class A unrestricted in a green town and moved to a town that was listed as red would I still have the issue renewing my license? I understand they are likely to issue a restricted license but does that mainly apply to new applicants or everyone? I just want to know so I don't move and find out that i can no longer carry
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This is probably one of the situations where restrictions might be challenged most easily and it's currently being addressed in a CA federal law suit.

Supposed you live in town 'A' and are issued an unrestricted permit. At some point you move to town 'B' and live there for several years before your permit expires. Upon renewal, town 'B' will have a difficult time making a case that you have now become [STRIKE]unsuitable [/STRIKE] an inappropriate person to carry firearms based solely on the fact that you've moved and your license has expired.

First they'd have to argue that living one town makes you [STRIKE]suitable[/STRIKE] an appropriate person to carry firearms, but living in another does not. Then they'd have to get over the fact that you were actually living in town 'B' for several years with an unrestricted permit and were some how an appropriate person to carry firearms [STRIKE]suitable [/STRIKE]right up until the time your LTC expired.

Town 'B' would be stuck with the 'we do it this way and we do it for everyone' argument. I might be difficult to make that stick now days because it would likely fail an equal protection and perhaps a due process test.

Either way, we should have a better idea within six month. There are a couple of right-to-carry cases where people have lost their CCW permits due to things like moving to another county or not being members of an 'Honorary Sheriff's Deputy Association".

Bottom line is that anyone who's LTC has been downgraded upon renewal because they either moved to a new town or the town changed their issuing policy has very good standing to challenge their restrictions.
 
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Any move wont happen for a bit but I'll have to give the police chief a buzz prior to any moves.. thanks for the quick replies guys
 
Knuckle Dragger said:
This is probably one of the situations where restrictions might be challenged most easily and it's currently being addressed in a CA federal law suit.

Supposed you live in town 'A' and are issued an unrestricted permit. At some point you move to town 'B' and live there for several years before your permit expires. Upon renewal, town 'B' will have a difficult time making a case that you have now become unsuitable based solely on the fact that you've moved and your license has expired.

First they'd have to argue that living one town makes you suitable, but living in another does not. Then they'd have to get over the fact that you were actually living in town 'B' for several years with an unrestricted permit and were some how suitable right up until the time your LTC expired.

Town 'B' would be stuck with the 'we do it this way and we do it for everyone' argument. I might be difficult to make that stick now days because it would likely fail an equal protection and perhaps a due process test.

Either way, we should have a better idea within six month. There are a couple of right-to-carry cases where people have lost their CCW permits due to things like moving to another county or not being members of an 'Honorary Sheriff's Deputy Association".

Bottom line is that anyone who's LTC has been downgraded upon renewal because they either moved to a new town or the town changed their issuing policy has very good standing to challenge their restrictions.
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Suitability deals with issuance of permits, not the restrictions on those permits.
 
bostonasphalt2 said:
Suitability deals with issuance of permits, not the restrictions on those permits.
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Well..... you're correct if we're talking about the issuance of an LTC. But you're splitting hairs. In determining weather or not to issue a permit with or without restricitons, the cheif is also making a determination about who is and who is not 'suitable'. The law just doesn't use that term again and we can use another terms, it's just that suitable is appropriate and grammatically correct. Okay, so it might be confusing because the law actually uses the word 'suitable' in a different context. My comments would continue to stand if I replaced 'suitable' in this context with something like 'appropriate person to posses an unrestricted license'.
 
Knuckle Dragger said:
Well..... you're correct if we're talking about the issuance of an LTC. But you're splitting hairs. In determining weather or not to issue a permit with or without restricitons, the cheif is also making a determination about who is and who is not 'suitable'. The law just doesn't use that term again and we can use another terms, it's just that suitable is appropriate and grammatically correct. Okay, so it might be confusing because the law actually uses the word 'suitable' in a different context. My comments would continue to stand if I replaced 'suitable' in this context with something like 'appropriate person to posses an unrestricted license'.
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I see what your saying, but the fight for getting a permit when denied versus getting ALP as opposed to T&H are very different fights.
 
Chiefs can use "proper purpose" to restrict permits. Those words are also in the statutes and this was specifically pointed out to me in a discussion with a local police chief about the issuance of permits.
 
LenS said:
Chiefs can use "proper purpose" to restrict permits. Those words are also in the statutes and this was specifically pointed out to me in a discussion with a local police chief about the issuance of permits.
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This is exactly what happened to me, the bas%&$# quoted Mass. Case law which SUGGESTS, his typed words, not mine, that one must be a "proper person" and have a "proper purpose" to obtain a license to carry firearms. According to him, I did not demonstrate in writing enough of a "proper purpose" for him to justify lifting the T&H restrictions. I don't know how else to define "to be able to protect my family and I from harm while at home and outside of my home, meaning off of my property."

The civil service chief's exam results will hopefully be out in November and myself, and many others in my town, are praying that he scored low enough and will be gone and his replacement will be Pro 2A. Our rights in this town have been restricted for, I'm guessing, close to 20 years now and it is time for things to go back to the way they used to be. The amount of police officers in this town has declined while the population and crime has increased, especially B&E's and violent crimes.

On a side note, every town that borders my town are GREEN and have a greater population with a more adequately staffed police force, I just don't get the backwards mentality that exists with my town's police regime. The town isn't Mayberry R.F.D. anymore and the police can't do what they are suppose to do or used to do when you only have 1 - 2 cruisers patrolling the streets at night, their words, not mine. How can I forget that more than 50% of the street lights have been turned off in the town too.

One final question to all. Is it safe to say that when someone is carrying, they are carrying the majority of the time outside of the community they reside in? I think the answer is YES, but what do I know, I'm only using a little common sense with no ego, power trip, or liberal minded mentality involved.
 
does anyone know what highlighted red means? My fiancee wants to move to a place in Waltham and I'm just wondering how hard it will be to renew my LTC there....
 
dougb76 said:
does anyone know what highlighted red means?
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Red means the same thing it normally means, and highlighted just means it's something you were searching on.

Could be worse, the software used to highlight search terms by just turning them red, so every town somebody searched for came up red.
 
dougb76 said:
does anyone know what highlighted red means? My fiancee wants to move to a place in Waltham and I'm just wondering how hard it will be to renew my LTC there....
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Call the LO in waltham. They have in the past generally kept people's restriction free licenses on move ins unless there is something in your record to suggest they shouldn't. Call and find out from them what their current policy is.
 
Quincy is quite green my GF just got her LTC with no restrictions.

I got mine in Brockton and luckily got the employment restriction since I own a business. Hopefully will get those restrictions lifted in 6 months.
 
I recently trained student from Belmont, he just got his LTC A w/ restrictions "None" in 6 weeks. I just got this e-mail from him on why he thinks they gave him w/o restrictions;

"As for unrestricted...justified by occasional transport/storage of investments in precious metals (gold coins, bullion, etc), cash, securities, etc. I had two rock solid letters of reference also...otherwise...I don't think I would have been given unrestricted."
 
Wife just got her LTC A Restrictions: None here in Plymouth, it took 8 weeks.

Keep that in mind if you live in Plymouth, it's going to take awhile, but you won't have any restrictions.
 
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