Harvard Sportsmen's Club

[cpgeneration]

Well the 100yd is looking as expected sadly. I haven’t been able to set enough time aside until yesterday to even go shooting and man the range looks like shit. No one picks up targets at all any more? The person shooting with me said, the last time he was there and asked to go down range to pick up his targets the response was “you’re one of those guys huh” . Nice stewardship. The steel plate was hanging on the target frame one was leaned up on the ground. The conglomeration of broken chains hardware and broken steel were nice touches too. People want all the freedom and none of the responsibility.

Mark, last time i was there on a sunday while i was waiting for the 9 o clock hour i picked up a whole bunch of targets off the backers and off the ground blowing around. can't understand why it is so hard for people to clean up your mess!

 

[ddeck]

Mark, last time i was there on a sunday while i was waiting for the 9 o clock hour i picked up a whole bunch of targets off the backers and off the ground blowing around. can't understand why it is so hard for people to clean up your mess!

It does require a 200 yard walk

I did notice on Monday that the new plate’s bolt got pushed through and someone put some wire up to hold it in place. I had a bolt but no nut to fix it. I put one in my car for next time.

 

[Mesatchornug]

Unless they're a Democrat. No point in meeting them. You know all you need to know.

Kinda ironic from the one of us who starts a third of their posts with "as a trans person," no?

 

[rogersmithiii]

There were taught ropes on either side that you had to pull on to move the boat. I did 3 long fast pulls in the beginning and then a couple quick ones after that. Worked out perfectly to be in alignment with the targets. No wasted time.

Put a couple of 225 Mercuries on that sucker, and it might get up on plane.

 

[Mesatchornug]

Not really. I'm not a communist, socialist, Marxist Democrat.

But then again, to all of the Waldorfs and Stadlers on NES, all trans people are far-left whack jobs.

You make my point.

I've known plenty of classical liberals who, if asked, still think of themselves as democrats.

But go ahead, and keep lumping everybody. I hear it relieves the effort of thinking.

 

[kalash]

Unless they're a Democrat. No point in meeting them. You know all you need to know.

By that logic it's safe to assume that your being trans means that you have a mental illness, right? Since we're painting with broad brushes and all...

 

[allen-1]

Put a couple of 225 Mercuries on that sucker, and it might get up on plane.

That wasn't a technically difficult stage, more of a fun one. I mean - who doesn't like rubber duckies?

Unfortunately we did have to DQ one shooter on that stage. There was a red pvc pipe running horizontally across the boat, and your firearm had to remain above it, (think muzzle exclusion zone). He went below it when he grabbed the rope with the hand holding his firearm. We specifically didn't want that to happen due to worries about pulling the trigger while clenching the hand - and - the muzzle potentially ending up behind you at the end of the pull.

 

[MC56]

Unless they're a Democrat. No point in meeting them. You know all you need to know.

Ignorant. Your mindset is exactly what is wrong with society today. The vast majority of folks can't have a civil, logical, objective conversation anymore. Paint with a broad brush...don't look past the surface. The fact you are transgender is absolutely ironic, unless your tolerance for homophobes matches your intolerance for democrats.

 

[paul73]

why oh why of all places this conversation needs to happen here?

would be better go back on topic - like, can we somehow pursue the club to allow .22lr to be shot at 200/300 range? or am i the only one who would want that to be allowed?

 

[Mesatchornug]

why oh why of all places this conversation needs to happen here?

would be better go back on topic - like, can we somehow pursue the club to allow .22lr to be shot at 200/300 range? or am i the only one who would want that to be allowed?

You're hardly the only one.

I'll say what I've said every time this has come up around me: until the person who actually volunteers to maintain and chair the range changes his position, it's not likely the rule will change.

If it helps, some of the other chairs were convinced to update their policies by folks who've been regularly shooting and helping on their ranges.

Nothing improves without effort.

 

[paul73]

If it helps, some of the other chairs were convinced to update their policies by folks who've been regularly shooting and helping on their ranges.

to my opinion, ed is not communicable with. so, no real way to have any petition done at the club officers level, it all starts and ends at the mercy of the particular range chair?

 

[M1911]

This thread is about Harvard Sportsmen’s Club, so let’s stay on topic. If you want to debate trans, democrats, liberals, etc., then start a new thread in off topic.

 

[Mesatchornug]

to my opinion, ed is not communicable with.

That's an interesting opinion.

How often are you there when he is? Have you helped him qualify new shooters? Have you volunteered on a work day with him? Have you chatted him up at a monthly meeting?

so, no real way to have any petition done at the club officers level, it all starts and ends at the mercy of the particular range chair?

Taken generally, the Board gives range chairs broad latitude to run their areas in the way they believe best serves the needs of our Club. The theory is that this produces a Club that supports the activities of invested members, with a bias towards action and volunteerism, while reducing the specific responsibilities of the Board.

Meanwhile, the bylaws make it clear that any active member in good standing can bring a proposal in front of the Board. Provided sufficient information, the Board can discuss and vote on its implementation.

This is how new activities come to our Club: volunteers stand up and own the associated responsibility. Steel Challenge and the addition of PCC to the practical shooting sports caused the range chairs in the action pits to rethink some of their rules. The Pink Pistols' use of the Back 40 updated some of its. Biathlon has worked with Ed to support their events.

 

[paul73]

That's an interesting opinion.
How often are you there when he is? Have you helped him qualify new shooters? Have you volunteered on a work day with him? Have you chatted him up at a monthly meeting?

i talked to him 3-4 times total only, once pre- and post- qualifying, and some other times afterwards.
i can be wrong of course, but he made a certain impression upon me to be a hardheaded specimen enough not to encourage any further conversations on the topic.

but i follow what you say there. an any initiative is always punishable by the responsibility for the implementation.
still do not follow what specific voluntarism i need to exhibit in order to shoot 22lr at 200yds target, but, i guess it is a futile enough topic anyway.

 

[vicorjh]

ed is not communicable with

I've spoken with Ed on miscellaneous topics regularly in the past, great guy. He also puts in a great deal of effort and work at HSC at the 200/300. We should be thanking him for his efforts and management.

 

[paul73]

I've spoken with Ed on miscellaneous topics regularly in the past, great guy. He also puts in a great deal of effort and work at HSC at the 200/300. We should be thanking him for his efforts and management.

the range is in excellent shape thx to him, no question about that. i was talking specifically about 22lr topic at those ranges.

 

[Mesatchornug]

i talked to him 3-4 times total only, once pre- and post- qualifying, and some other times afterwards.
i can be wrong of course, but he made a certain impression upon me to be a hardheaded specimen enough not to encourage any further conversations on the topic.

but i follow what you say there. an any initiative is always punishable by the responsibility for the implementation.
still do not follow what specific voluntarism i need to exhibit in order to shoot 22lr at 200yds target, but, i guess it is a futile enough topic anyway.

I don't believe it's at all futile. But I do believe it'll take more than simply saying "Eddy, I don't like your rule; wanna change it?" I wouldn't be surprised if the folks who can convince him are in this thread.


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hThqaFN2nkU

 

[paul73]

I wouldn't be surprised if the folks who can convince him are in this thread.

very much can be, who knows. i just do not grasp it conceptually, what is the grief he has with it, as he only got people there who did qualify and are capable of hitting an 8" plate at 200, which presumes presence of some basic form of an intelligence and an ability to dope a scope.

i guess most folks there just do not care of the lower cost 22lr, and, frankly, neither do i, too much. it would be fun, to do a 22lr at 300yds, but, well. dunno what kind of an ad campaign it would need to take.

and no one ever bothers to produce an actual contra-argument about it neither, other than 'the ed is great and his word is the law'. a halleluiah, then.

 

[Mesatchornug]

very much can be, who knows. i just do not grasp it conceptually, what is the grief he has with it, as he only got people there who did qualify and are capable of hitting an 8" plate at 200, which presumes presence of some basic form of an intelligence and an ability to dope a scope.

i guess most folks there just do not care of the lower cost 22lr, and, frankly, neither do i, too much. it would be fun, to do a 22lr at 300yds, but, well. dunno what kind of an ad campaign it would need to take.

and no one ever bothers to produce an actual contra-argument about it neither, other than 'the ed is great and his word is the law'. a halleluiah, then.

Have you heard of Chesterton's fence?

 

[paul73]

Have you heard of Chesterton's fence?

so you are insinuating that a current state of affairs has any actual reasoning behind it?
an other one beyond of 'because i said so'?

 

[kalash]

I highly doubt that Ed would ever allow .22 at the 200/300, considering that I had to convince him to let me quality with a 16" AR with irons after he said that 5.56 is no good beyond 100 yards.

 

[Mesatchornug]

so you are insinuating that a current state of affairs has any actual reasoning behind it?
an other one beyond of 'because i said so'?

I'm not one to assume anything came about at first without reason.

 

[Mesatchornug]

I highly doubt that Ed would ever allow .22 at the 200/300, considering that I had to convince him to let me quality with a 16" AR with irons after he said that 5.56 is no good beyond 100 yards.

Interesting. I had the opposite problem. He convinced me to shoot the qual with my 16" iron sight AR and green tip ammo, even though I told him I wasn't happy with the zero on the rifle.

 

[paul73]

I'm not one to assume anything came about at first without reason.

me assume? never! i am not an assumeist.

ps. anyway, i have a feel we've ran this '22lr at 300' conversation into its usual conclusion.

 

[kalash]

Interesting. I had the opposite problem. He convinced me to shoot the qual with my 16" iron sight AR and green tip ammo, even though I told him I wasn't happy with the zero on the rifle.

I guess Ed doesn't like me

 

[Mesatchornug]

I guess Ed doesn't like me

I doubt that.

Last comment for a bit, then I've gotta get back to work.

People tend to alter their behavior based on who they're with. Arguably you're a different person with your mom than at work, let alone on here.

Similarly, someone who meets Eddy tomorrow (at the club meeting) will find him to be a different person than on Sunday morning during the safety walk. Interestingly, that first Eddy will reappear by the time he's at breakfast. Guess which one shows up when you're talking about qualifying at the range?

 

[paul73]

Similarly, someone who meets Eddy tomorrow (at the club meeting) will find him to be a different person than on Sunday morning during the safety walk. Interestingly, that first Eddy will reappear by the time he's at breakfast. Guess which one shows up when you're talking about qualifying at the range?

we really need a rolleyes emoji for the feedback.

 

[CulperJr]

Not sure where the Ed slander came from, but he is a great guy with a story to tell whenever you talk to him. I see him quite often, discuss rifles, his history in the corps and whatever else is the topic du jour that particular Sunday.

I would really like to be able to shoot 22LR at the 200.

But, the issue here is obviously ballistics. The issue, as I'm sure all are aware, is that a .22lr out of a 22 inch barrel will have a POI shift of at least 36 inches for common .22LR loads. You may be able to zero high at 100 yards, but it would be difficult. Bouncing bullets are not going to make any friends with neighboring communities and the risk is relatively high. The berm behind the 200 is only about 20? ft tall. Lots of risk for a projectile to leave the range in a bad way.

That being said, a old range I was part of in Maryland had “trainers” which were basically a box where you needed to shoot from, and keep the rifle inside at all times. This basically locked the rifle in a shooting position and limited up or down travel of the rifle muzzle to prevent errant shots.

Additionally there were plywood jersey barrier emplacements at certain distances to prevent shots from cleanly hitting the dirt and ricocheting into someone’s back yard. I wonder if there could be a dedicated lane at the 200. Something akin to the trainer lane at a bowling alley.

Just my idea, there may be safe ways to do this, but I don't think it'll happen anytime soon.

My 2 cents.

 

[paul73]

the issue here is obviously ballistics.

there is no issue with ballistics. it relies upon forces of gravity that were relatively stable in the eternity known to us.
i really cannot say more about it. my 22lr 100yds dope is 1.8mrad. 200 is 6.9. 300 is 13.1mrad.

it is less than 2 full revolutions of the elevation dial and most turrets got it clearly marked up to 2 revolutions. it is not an issue at all.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

It would be interesting to do some testing on the bullet deflection concern. Unlike optics, angle of incident does not equal angle of reflection with ballistic projectiles. A round hitting a hard surface is most likely going to deflect at a shallow angle.

It "no issue" with someone familiar with the sufficient doping to keep the rounds on the berm, but the concern could be for someone who uses a 100 yard zero on the 300 and hits the ground midway downrange.