The 200/300 requires qualification, which I think might eliminate not-so-good shooters, or worse, vandals.
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Tallahassee
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People that shoot the 200/300 range put time into it. They practice and then get qualified. Chances are they have some money invested into their gear and compete. Comparing what goes on their is like comparing apples and oranges with the 100 yard range.
The 100 yard range is an open house for anyone. The only way to minimize what happens is to start having range officers. Personally, I don't want that.
So I guess there are two options for this problem. ROs or get rid of the steel. Well, actually there's a third option. Just keep fixing the steel.
When the steel is gone, I'm sure the wood frames will start getting shot in the corners. Might as well get rid of those too.
Yup.
My club only has wood target frames no steel of any kind. Needless to say those wooden frames get beat to shit real fast.
Talk is just talk.
If I will have time I will fix plate with new bolts next week Wednesday morning.
But I do not have chains nor other stuff and do not have a key to the shed.
If anybody wants to get together for a work party and get something better done - let’s discuss that.
gerrycaruso
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I believe it's intentional because it happens just about every week. I shoot a handgun offhand there every week and have only broken a chain once in the last few years.
Lol, it might not be "intentional" Especially if someone is just taking pot shots etc. Lets put it this way- whenever guys have left community steel hung at "piss outside" clubs, those chains are dead inside of a couple of weeks or so tops.
jayhitek
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I'm surprised people are questioning hitting a nut at 100 yards with an AR15 and a 10x scope.. Normally you'd have guys in this forum claiming they could hit it with a 3" revolver with factory front blade sight and do it repeatedly.. "I have it dialed in.. maybe you're doing something wrong if you can't do it.."
I've shot out to 100 yards with a Ruger LCR .38 - minute of berm on most ranges so I wouldn't recommend it. ![[laugh]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/012.gif "Laugh [laugh]")
At the HSC 100, there are two possibilities - either folks are poor shots and they accidentally hit the chains, or they're actually accurate and they're doing it on purpose for some reason. Most people can't really shoot so I'd guess that the former scenario is more frequent.
I propose that we put some sort of switch behind the chains that activates a trap door underneath the benches. Ironically, below the trap door would be a bunch of trap shooters who would bore the miscreant to near death by discussing birdshot loads back in their day. That'll teach em not to hit the dang chains anymore!
At the HSC 100, there are two possibilities - either folks are poor shots and they accidentally hit the chains, or they're actually accurate and they're doing it on purpose for some reason. Most people can't really shoot so I'd guess that the former scenario is more frequent.
I propose that we put some sort of switch behind the chains that activates a trap door underneath the benches. Ironically, below the trap door would be a bunch of trap shooters who would bore the miscreant to near death by discussing birdshot loads back in their day. That'll teach em not to hit the dang chains anymore!
jayhitek
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I've brought friends to the range and they've aimed at my bolts or wire harness that holds the plate (my steel targets not the clubs). And When I asked them what they were doing.. The would have a big smile on their face and would be like, "what? It's fun, whats the big deal!"
No shit a**h***. Now I'm the one that has to spend time remaking it at home.
I've also had other friends in the indoor range aiming at the clips that hold the targets to the cardboard for the same reason. "Umm.. Thanks.. Now we don't have clips to hold the targets.."
People are just dumb and ignorant. They never think ahead.
No shit a**h***. Now I'm the one that has to spend time remaking it at home.
I've also had other friends in the indoor range aiming at the clips that hold the targets to the cardboard for the same reason. "Umm.. Thanks.. Now we don't have clips to hold the targets.."
People are just dumb and ignorant. They never think ahead.
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Hopkinton stopped leaving target hangers in the basement range a decade or two ago. These a 1/2" AL rods with a notch on one end that latches to the carrier and a clip on the other end.
Sure, people have to sell out $15 for a carrier, but they no longer show up at the range to find the club carriers are all missing clips.
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I take it you never brought them back?
I had one friend that didnt listen one time, but after that he realized the seriousness of the mistake he made and that was the end of that and wasnt a problem from that point
onward.
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MGM (Mike Gibson Manufacturing) is great to deal with.
So if everyone that shoots there occasionally only broke a chain every few years by mistake....
Tallahassee
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I'll volunteer again.
I'll send you a PM. I should have some chain around this junkyard somewhere. I'll send you a pic of what we use at work. The morons have yet to break them. But, I'm sure they will at some point.
DPR
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The issue in the post was numbnuts shooting the hardware that holds the steel. This target avoids that problem completely. As far as getting destroyed- anything on a range will get destroyed at some point. 1" AR 500 with no mounting hardware will last a long time.
was that way when I was there more than 6 years ago. There was some discussion about security cameras and such. Maybe that should be revisited for the 100 yard range at least on a temp basis until the jackwads are caught.
exactly.
And as for people wanting steel at the 50yd for 22. NOPE. Ain't gonna happen as there is always going to be a**h***s who will shoot it with their larger rifles. There used to be steel at the 25 yard. Again, people shot that stuff with the rifles. Are those plates still there?
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there's a plate rack at the far left end of the 25 for pistols only. It has (in my understanding) been generally respected for the last few years. On the 50, we still have the rack for detergent bottles and such, but that's it.
I'm glad to hear people haven't been drilling it with rifles. When I was on the board, and before, it was a serious problem. And there was (and is I am sure) a BIG sign that said "Don't shoot steel targets with rifles!"
I know I've said this a hundred times before, but I don't agree with that reasoning for not allowing .22 rifles on steel at the 25y. I wish we'd have a sign that said in big bold letters "RIFLES: RIMFIRE ONLY". However, if we're going down the path of "someone might do something even if it's against the rules so we need more rules" then we're no better than the antis.
ain`t there a pit with larger format upright steel where 9mm carbines are now allowed? across or close to the shotgun spot? sorry if i am wrong, i never go there.
it is wrong idea to put any steel at 25/50 range by the same reasons expressed earlier - but what about that pit?
gerrycaruso
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There are many things that can be done to make the targets a**h*** resistant but a**h*** proof is not possible.
Nothing can be made to be idiot proof because idiots are so damned ingenious.
Now that things are freed up on the home front, I'm going to visit an event at HSC and try to make some contacts who'd sponsor me for membership.
As evidence of character - I have never intentionally destroyed a chain or target mount that was not mine.
As evidence of character - I have never intentionally destroyed a chain or target mount that was not mine.
jayhitek
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Have you ever aimed for a slow moving squirrel that is in the middle of the street though?
yogi
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Huh? Am I missing something?
jayhitek
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I was making a joke. You mentioned how your character was on a range. I was questioning beyond the range.. How is it.
