I think I am done with S&W

[jdb723]

I've had a few M&P's and haven't had any issues with any of them. My 9c is one of my favorite carry guns. That being said, I think Springfield makes the absolute best polymer frame pistols. I have stupidly sold/traded the two that I owned and have regretted it ever since. I have dealt with S&W's customer service on multiple occasions and they always have done right by me. They even sent me a brand new Wilson Combat rear sight for my 1911DK without any question when it broke. They didn't even ask me to send in the broken sight. That's a $100 part that they just put in the mail for me. I'm sure they will take care of your problems.

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[ColdDayInHell]

I've had a few M&P's and haven't had any issues with any of them. My 9c is one of my favorite carry guns. That being said, I think Springfield makes the absolute best polymer frame pistols. I have stupidly sold/traded the two that I owned and have regretted it ever since. I have dealt with S&W's customer service on multiple occasions and they always have done right by me. They even sent me a brand new Wilson Combat rear sight for my 1911DK without any question when it broke. They didn't even ask me to send in the broken sight. That's a $100 part that they just put in the mail for me. I'm sure they will take care of your problems.

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Maybe, but honestly it's hard to beat a Glock. The only thing I hate about SA polymer handguns is the grip safety. The less safties the gun has the more I like it. I have an honest opinion here because I have the Ruger SR9c, Glock 17 and gen4 19, and the XDs 45ACP which I carry. The XDs is awesome but I really love my G19.

Also, the gun that I've really been obsessing over is the FNS 9 and FNX 9/45. FN makes an insanely reliable polymer framed handgun with proven reliability. Got to shoot one and it is just great.

 

[92G]

I have also lost my love for S&W.
they seem disinterested in servicing anything.

 

[turbo38gn]

Liking my S&W's, got 8 M&P's.... 2 shields... 1 BG380 and another on the way, zero problems. The few times I called CS, they were fine. Promptly took care of my needs. I followed the 40 threads on the S&W board, interesting stuff, looks to me, any problems were related to ammo not recommended. Not to mention reloaded ammo seemed to be in the mix as well...

 

[Rockrivr1]

They seem disinterested in servicing anything.

Granted this is a S&W thread, but this sentiment is the same for most gun manufacturers out there. It's always a mixed bag of experiences. Some good, some bad.

 

[92G]

last time i contact S&W it was in regards to a brand new 686+ with a wicked crooked looking barrel (gunsmith agreed it looked unhealthy).
after 2 weeks of emails to S&W i still could not get a shipping label.
after several days of trying to contact S&W via phone i finally got to somebody who literally told me it was perfectly normal for a gun to look VERY crooked.

personally i feel that if i am dropping upwards of $1k on a handgun, S&W should be willing to at least look at the damn thing and check it out. if they send it back and tell me it's fine, then so be it i will shoot and enjoy it all the same. i simply wanted them to look at their product and this was particularly difficult for me to achieve.

for this reason i dislike S&W so much that i am only purchasing a new S&W handgun every month instead of every 2 weeks. haha i am pathetic!



of note, i will be receiving the 686+ in a few days (per fedex) and i am confident that as a proud NES'er i will be making another thread at that time. haha.

 

[knfmn]

last time i contact S&W it was in regards to a brand new 686+ with a wicked crooked looking barrel (gunsmith agreed it looked unhealthy).
after 2 weeks of emails to S&W i still could not get a shipping label.
after several days of trying to contact S&W via phone i finally got to somebody who literally told me it was perfectly normal for a gun to look VERY crooked.

personally i feel that if i am dropping upwards of $1k on a handgun, S&W should be willing to at least look at the damn thing and check it out. if they send it back and tell me it's fine, then so be it i will shoot and enjoy it all the same. i simply wanted them to look at their product and this was particularly difficult for me to achieve.

for this reason i dislike S&W so much that i am only purchasing a new S&W handgun every month instead of every 2 weeks. haha i am pathetic!



of note, i will be receiving the 686+ in a few days (per fedex) and i am confident that as a proud NES'er i will be making another thread at that time. haha.

This kind of begs the question: why did you buy a brand new revolver with a "wicked crooked looking barrel"?

 

[wizdoc2006]

Some S&W feel cheap and poorly made to me like the bodyguard and M&p's. On the other hand, I do have a 1911 E series and a 340pd that are a couple of my favorites. You have to be selective when dealing with S&W. JMO.

 

[Zielstrebig]

German guns and Japanese cars. More likely than not, they will provide consistent, long term service.

 

[PATRON]

German guns and Japanese cars. More likely than not, they will provide consistent, long term service.

And Italian women.

 

[PaulR]

OP stop chewing your fingernails, it's bad for you.

 

[92G]

This kind of begs the question: why did you buy a brand new revolver with a "wicked crooked looking barrel"?

Haha good question. Now i learned to look closely before i take it home....hmm sounds familiar?

 

[TargetedFiring]

If you guys are all done with you S&W's, I will gladly take them off your hands, I'll even pick them up for free!

 

[ntomsw]

I don't see the hype with S&W, and never will. Meh at best.

 

[whacko]

I just sent my 642 in for repair and I had it back within two weeks. I'm loving smith right now. I hope you find a resolution.

What went wrong with your 642 if you don't mind me asking.......

 

[J.A.C]

At least if my S&W 500 ( 8 3/8 barrel) ever breaks I'll still have a cool looking hammer.

 

[jmh992003]

I don't see the hype with S&W, and never will. Meh at best.

The revolvers are nice, don't care for the pistols. Although I love glocks and springfields so it shows I have crummy taste.

 

[r1dermon]

i've got a 40c that's been great for 300rds now. trigger sucks, but it's MA. other than that, no complaints. way more accurate than i am as well. i'd buy another in a heartbeat if it was offered in 10mm...

 

[Come and take]

I've never been a big fan of S&W's semi auto lines. Seemed to me they were always lacking compared to other manufacturers that had been building them for years. On the other hand, you cannot beat a S&W revolver. Best on the market in my mind and yes, I have shot many different revolvers other then S&W.

I agree. I would never buy a S&W semi. Only revolver. I do think they make some of the best revolvers out there.

 

[ntomsw]

The revolvers are nice, don't care for the pistols. Although I love glocks and springfields so it shows I have crummy taste.

Their revolvers are nice.

I hate the looks of their pistols, the 40lb trigger pulls, and everything else about them.

 

[carbuncle]

The only S&W I buy is from the era when the company had some cache as a serious manufacturer and made products tbat reflected the same.

Posted from my car phone.

 

[Youradolt]

Has anyone seen a take down pin break like that?

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Yes my BG did it

 

[drgrant]

Some S&W feel cheap and poorly made to me like the bodyguard and M&p's. On the other hand, I do have a 1911 E series and a 340pd that are a couple of my favorites. You have to be selective when dealing with S&W. JMO.

340PD? That's pretty hilarious. Every person I know who has owned one of those has had it blow up at least once. My running tally at this point is like 4 people, and at least 2 of them made posts in the past on NES about it. The 340PD and the BG380 are not on S&Ws list of finer achievements, that's for shit sure.

-Mike

 

[Gammon]

Every piece of brass I have fired had some bulging. I first noticed it with the nickle case and than went back and looked at all the other cases I have fired.

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In that case, you've got a problem. Either the chamber is oversized or the gun is firing out of battery.
PS these are the guesses of an amateur gunsmith with no professional training.

 

[vellnueve]

Metal injected moulding. It is a casting process used to keep costs low. If done right, it can make a fine part. However, parts that are high stress, like a barrel, should not be made using this process.

What's high stress about a .380?

I've had a few issues with Smith and Wesson handguns. My Pro Series 1911 went back to the factory 4 times because it wouldn't stop failing to feed and eject properly. I think part of that is that 9mm 1911s tend to be finicky. I had a 317 which was extremely heavily used (former rental gun) with a worn cylinder rotation mechanism and extracting was becoming impossible, but they replaced it with a new cylinder and it was fine after that. I also had one of the early M&P 40 full size guns with the soft mag release.

On the other hand, my railed .45 SW1911 and all five of my M&Ps run flawlessly, as does my 520. Like any gun, as long as it tests to my satisfaction, I will be happy with it. Don't care who builds it, because every big manufacturer lets some bad ones into the wild.

 

[Mark from MA]

I would never buy a smith poly pistol again. It's resale is ass......

That said, most of the ones I've had ran fine. Triggers suck.

I like their 45 eseries and their revolvers.......

 

[vellnueve]

I would never buy a smith poly pistol again. It's resale is ass......

That said, most of the ones I've had ran fine. Triggers suck.

I like their 45 eseries and their revolvers.......

Outside of MA, all polymer pistols have shit resale value. No $600 for a Gen 2 Glock.

 

[MSteele]

Only S&W problems I have had is with the M&P 45 mags but S&W CS took care of it every time. They have sent me new mags twice and new springs and followers 3 times. M&P45 has been solid with 4800+ rds and only 1 FTF due to dented casing. Also enjoying my 9mm shield even though the grip is very slim. Customer service is very important and S&W I think has some of the best.

 

[drgrant]

Outside of MA, all polymer pistols have shit resale value. No $600 for a Gen 2 Glock.

Part of resale value is also being able to sell a gun. If I lived in NH and I had a Glock for sale I would guarantee you that it would move much faster than an M&P would. Look on Gunbroker, too... 2nd Gen Glocks don't sit around there long and don't get reposted unless the seller puts a stupid price on it. On the other hand you'd have to fire sale an M&P to get someone to buy it. The M&P line is a respectable pistol once modded (I'd be carrying one if I couldn't carry a Glock) but it doesn't have the legacy/reputation that Glock does. Not so much in NH, but in a lot of other free states, polymer HKs also enjoy the same (relative) retention of value and sale ability.

Also, I deal with a few FFLs in NH. Occasionally they have used Glocks hanging around, and regardless of generation they move quickly even if the price is only $50 or $75 less than the same exact new version.

-Mike

 

[drgrant]

What's high stress about a .380?

Ask anyone who has ever owned a .380 Sigma about that... Gun was basically disposable as designed, because it was a pot metal hunk of garbage. Finding one of those in the wild is difficult because most of them have self-destructed.

-Mike