Martlett
I have condemn no one except that video.
Tonyd and everyone if you can’t read the whole thing, then ignore it.
Sorry, wingwiper, but who made you the emperor of ethics? No disrespect intended but you've been incorrect on every point you've made, except one - ethics.
You guys have an opposite view from me and I am not insulting anyone, why do some of you feel you have the entitlement to insult posters with views that do not coincide with yours?
You said I have been INCORRECT on EVERY point except one. Have some respect give detail and not generalizations, every point doesn't say anything, what points and include the right point so I can see where I was supposedly wrong.
Wrong in what way? They are my experiences and from what I know first hand. I do not claim to be an EMPEROR of anything, why the insults? My views differ and that is clear. I am NOT a liar and not a Johnny Come Lately. I have watched a lot of land get posted and by people who were fed up and they are more than willing to tell you why, all you have to do is just ask them. Have you all ever taken the time to ask anyone why they posted their land? I have, many times. I would report my findings to the Hunter Safety Classes I taught and used the reasons to help prevent it from happening further and to more land. The reasons may surprise many of you who think I am just blowing Hot air.
I see absolutely nothing unethical, immoral, unsafe or illegal in that short clip of video. What I do see are two very experienced and successful long-range hunters. It appears to me these two gentlemen took every precaution available to be "ethical" in the boudries of their activity.
Two very EXPERIENCED? How did you conclude that? Successful long range
Hunters? that is success? Coming from you I am very surprised. The buildings in the background, all within the Safety Cone or Buffer. Shooting into dense trees where you cannot see where the projectile is striking? A friend of mine killed a guy in Barre Vt 5 years ago, the guy was sitting down watching TV, my friend was quite a distance away and started shooting several rounds into a tree stump, (very much like the environment shown in the video) one projectile went thru the stump and continued some distance went thru a window or wall and struck the guy in the neck and killed him.
The HUNT? What Hunt? They were set up on a hillside and probably just out of sight had a Beer cooler loaded with their Daily Needs. There was NO HUNT. You see, I see something entirely different and nothing that makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.
Hunting is the practice of pursuing animals for food, recreation, trade or for their products
My 15-year-old daughter could do that very same shot with that equipment and I still will argue that it was far from 890 yards. Carlos made some splendid shots, these guys did not. That shot you said was a Lung shot, naw... it was an upper hindquarter shot, the stream shoots upward and to the right. It would never go upward in that fine of a stream, uninterrupted if it was a lung or chest shot, the stream would more than likely go downward. We don’t even agree here, so I am the enemy??????
If you or anyone else here has ever taught a Hunter Safety Course, there use to be a film called "On Any Bloody Sunday" or something close to that. It was about the very Ethics I listed. Leaving Gates open, sound shooting, showing your kill openly in the public eyes etc etc. I am not saying anything that has not been said over and over by many types of sources.
I think these guys probably took more precautions to ensure a successful hunt than most of the others of us out there.
The only precautions they took were to be sure they had enough Beer with them. There was no hunt and once again buildings in the Safety Cone. From some of the replies I have gotten, I would not doubt that some on these boards prefer the Free to do as I please style. Something you all need to remember, unless you own a lot of land yourself, you are probably hunting on someone else’s have some respect.
I made it clear that the rifle or the scope were NEVER in question and only the method was. I seem to remember several posts in the beginning that agreed with me. I am the one who chose to try and explain my reason for my post and because it doesn't fit in with some of yours, I am being called a liar an Emperor or whatever. Why the disrespect? You have checked my credentials, am I not entitled to give my opinion here? You know my name, look me up in the phone book and then look on the map, you will see I live exactly where I claim and miles of woods and national forest surround me. Why do you and a few others think I am some City dwelling fool?
I see us all as on the SAME TEAM and I fully believe that Ethics is something we better get more of or lose what little
Freedoms we have left. I could give a Rat's A-- about watching Deer fall after being shot, have shot many myself, that doesn't bother me at all. I raise and butcher Chickens and Turkeys. What bothers me is the filming of themselves doing it and the method bothers me BIG TIME because I know beyond a doubt that video will be watched and copied by the wrong people and will erode our Freedom away even more. Their views of us is that Big Beer Belly Suspendered, belly hanging over pants, gun in one hand, beer in the other and a few teeth missing. That video is fuel for their Fires and not ours. No FAIR CHASE in that Video, NO effort to equal the Hunter to the Hunted, such fine SPORTSMANSHIP… MY opinion again. Hey! Why not go to one of those Fallon Farms and shoot them while they are in a little fenced area? Hell! Burn em out. Maybe some Napalm over the entire area would have them gutted and cooked all at once.
You can challenge my views but please show some respect in so doing. I am not from Mass. and don’t talk with your accents nor live anywhere near a city. I know nothing about license to carry permits, I just carry and keep a Berretta in the front seat. I shoot every chance I get and work at Ranges with the FBI, F&G, State P.D.s. local PDs, Vt, NH, Me, NY Guard Units, Marines, Army and so many other Military Units including Mountain and Seal Teams. Every October we run “Operation Bullseye” where we invite all Local hunters to come in and let us help them sight in their firearms, I think we are well in our 20TH year. I love shooting and I hate watching ignorance and plain stupidity take more of my Rights and Freedoms away, knowing full well, it could have been all avoided with some real simple COMMON SENSE..
Very simply, it isn’t about what is ONLY acceptable amongst ourselves but how we are viewed in the eyes of our opponents. Those opponents have labeled the NRA and other Pro Gun Groups as evil. Do you all actually think that video is the kind of advertising for hunting we want to be shown on youtube.com? If you all do, then you sure don’t care about ensuring Shooting Sports will be around much longer.
The Assault Weapon Ban was passed for two very different reasons. First the idiots trying to explain to the constituents by saying they were outlawing Uziis and AK-47s and firearms that were capable of firing 700 rounds per minute. They were too uniformed to know it was the Civilian Look a likes and semi-autos that were being shown and outlawed and that the AKs and Uziis were already highly regulated and banned. Second, it had a 2 year Federal Funding of 200,000 more Cop clause attached. I am sure the people trying to pass the New AWB would view the video as a Freedom that is needed to be protected. That Video was fuel for the Bradies.
Your enemy is NOT me, I am on your side and have been. I stand firmly that that video is totally unethical and is the worst kind of advertising we could possibly have. This is my sport as well and not just YOURs alone, we need to act collectively and not allow anything that will soil our image, intent or our reputations. We need to act American, Civilized and reasonable in our actions. I am not on a High Chair or a Soap Box, the opposition is. If you all have better ideas than you better get them in place and by what I have seen, you all have done a lousy job keeping the Freedoms Alive in Mass. Vermont has NO GUN LAWS and some have tried to implement them with examples as their evidence of what I have posted. Vermont is still very much a FREE state and I legally carry guns without PERMITS of any kind. I see that threaten and I see more and more Howard Deans and Bernie Sanders moving here and making us more like Morton Grove, Ill, I am really sorry you all think I am against what you stand for when in fact I am very much standing with and for you.