MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[Mwz60]

I say screw aero and some others because they won't ship their products here and find a different brand to go with.

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[MGnoob]

They would and yes, here they would bring in a higher value than in "Free" states even for ones that are a bit clapped out.

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I know and wrote in a previous posting of reptilian methodology and Caveat emptor.

That is sexy, but mine is milled… make the full auto conversion more difficult, though.

I always wanted the Bakelite side folder..

But once I started overpaying for these AKS, I realized I could buy real machine guns

 

[Taipan01]

Gone are the days of AK's being inexpensive. More so when you look at SKS's, who'da thunk they'd be neck and neck with AR's like PSA's price wise.

 

[DeadEyeDan]

Noveske lowers and Glock Foh-Tays, of course!

I love the Glock 40… the long barrel lets you get the maximum benefit from full power 10mm loads…

 

[silversquirrel]

Gone are the days of AK's being inexpensive. More so when you look at SKS's, who'da thunk they'd be neck and neck with AR's like PSA's price wise.

Wasn't the attraction back before AW hysteria with cheap AKs and SKSs the cheap surplus Ammo? That stuff is long gone now.

 

[Grendizer138]

My AKs would probably sell if I posted photos.
Price of seem outrageous, but it’s the going rate pretty much. You can get pretty much the same thing that’s been fired on gun broker for a little less, but these are just collectibles they’re ever intended to be fired. Obviously, if you’re going to fire them get a cheaper one..

I don’t know, Iwish they would sell though I could use the money. I paid a premium at the time to have nice ones just to have with them increasing in value and inflation. It’s not like I’m making a ton of money if any at all.

And reptile can reptile. It on the buyer to know what he’s buying.

 

[Taipan01]

Wasn't the attraction back before AW hysteria with cheap AKs and SKSs the cheap surplus Ammo? That stuff is long gone now.

The ammunition is 7.62 Soviet same as an AKM. It can still be had rather inexpensively compared to most around $500.00 +/- per 1,000. Back then non bulk pricing $3.75/20 (just checked an old box) so around 20 cents/round non bulk vs say 50 cents or so in bulk today but then, SKS were had for less than $100.00 and you could get an AKM for about $230.00 with 2 30 round mags, a sling and oiler kit and AR's were around a grand plus, mine were well over going with the old ABC line-ups.

 

[Grendizer138]

7.62 steel is going for more than m193 now. It sucks, but at least I get some pleasure in knowing the heathens that bought x39 ARs a couple of years ago lost their gamble.

 

[tattoo72]

Yeah, That Massachusetts Gun Control Is Working Great

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[DW357]

7.62 steel is going for more than m193 now. It sucks, but at least I get some pleasure in knowing the heathens that bought x39 ARs a couple of years ago lost their gamble.

Well unless you bought cheap and stacked deep. I most likely have a lifetime supply of x39. Ranging from 15 cents per round (Walmart 2019 firesale) to about 30 cents per round.
But yeah if I had to pay the current 50+ cpr I’d be pissed and probably wouldn’t shoot my AR/AKs very often.

 

[Picton]

Well unless you bought cheap and stacked deep. I most likely have a lifetime supply of x39. Ranging from 15 cents per round (Walmart 2019 firesale) to about 30 cents per round.
But yeah if I had to pay the current 50+ cpr I’d be pissed and probably wouldn’t shoot my AR/AKs very often.

Same.

I've got enough x39 to open up my own shop, probably. But only because I worked my credit card hard before the pandemic.

 

[Grendizer138]

Well unless you bought cheap and stacked deep. I most likely have a lifetime supply of x39. Ranging from 15 cents per round (Walmart 2019 firesale) to about 30 cents per round.
But yeah if I had to pay the current 50+ cpr I’d be pissed and probably wouldn’t shoot my AR/AKs very often.

Then you should sell it for .50/rd and buy brass M193, which is what you probably preferred to shoot before buying an x39 AR abortion

 

[p..]

The ammunition is 7.62 Soviet same as an AKM. It can still be had rather inexpensively compared to most around $500.00 +/- per 1,000. Back then non bulk pricing $3.75/20 (just checked an old box) so around 20 cents/round non bulk vs say 50 cents or so in bulk today but then, SKS were had for less than $100.00 and you could get an AKM for about $230.00 with 2 30 round mags, a sling and oiler kit and AR's were around a grand plus, mine were well over going with the old ABC line-ups.

I remember Yugo M67 brass case going for $220 per 1120 round crate at the Marlboro show. Quick search shows it's almost $600 a crate now.

Still have a little Golden Tiger left. Haven't seen that stuff anywhere in years.

 

[Hardwired]

I remember Yugo M67 brass case going for $220 per 1120 round crate at the Marlboro show. Quick search shows it's almost $600 a crate now.

Still have a little Golden Tiger left. Haven't seen that stuff anywhere in years.

Does the place in NH still carry it?

 

[Warm_Garand]

Does the place in NH still carry it?

619DW had Golden Tiger as of a couple weeks ago.

Worth a call.

 

[DarthRevan]

I’m sure Marsha has her own Fed Bois at the Mill.

I feel like I’m the only one out of the loop.

It’s no secret what they sell as it’s in the classifieds.

I want to know what people are BUYING not what they are SELLING.

<No Fed>

Mind ya f***in business.

 

[DJBrad]

Then you should sell it for .50/rd and buy brass M193, which is what you probably preferred to shoot before buying an x39 AR abortion

Current offerings at about .50 cpr.

The “Not From Russia” one lolz.

TelaAmmo is probably Vympel opening a facility in Azerbaijan.

 

[DarthRevan]

619DW had Golden Tiger as of a couple weeks ago.

Worth a call.

I swear their sewer is permanently backed up it f***ing reeks in there.

 

[hunt4riches]

I remember Yugo M67 brass case going for $220 per 1120 round crate at the Marlboro show. Quick search shows it's almost $600 a crate now.

Still have a little Golden Tiger left. Haven't seen that stuff anywhere in years.

depending on which Golden Tiger you're talking about, you'll carry that with you for life

 

[DJBrad]

619DW had Golden Tiger as of a couple weeks ago.

Worth a call.

Their import license is good for just a few more years IIRC. The problem is the cost associated with importation and fewer import licenses out there.

 

[DJBrad]

Then you should sell it for .50/rd and buy brass M193, which is what you probably preferred to shoot before buying an x39 AR abortion

I have a still born foetus build.


Seriously though the modularity of ar pattern rifles doesn’t economically equate to converting back and some of the soft points we have are excelled battle rounds. The costs of battle rounds will most definitely continue rising for all calibers.


I have some 154gr Tula that has some stellar results In cavitation and weight retention.



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[Rob Boudrie]

Some FFL/State licensed dealers insisted on treating stripped lowers and frames as guns and reporting the sale via MIRCS at the time of sale. Depending on how the grandfathering works with the current monstrosoty of a bill, those lowers could have a higher value than pre-Healer lowers that were never registered but have paperwork showing them in-state prior to 2016.

So "not registered but documented as being in state before 2016" could turn out to be either a positive feature or a defect depending on how things shake out.

 

[Reptile]

Some FFL/State licensed dealers insisted on treading stripped lowers and frames as guns and reporting the sale via MIRCS at the time of sale. Depending on how the grandfathering works with the current monstrosoty of a bill, those lowers could have a higher value than pre-Healer lowers that were never registered but have paperwork showing them in-state prior to 2016.

So "not registered but documented as being in state before 2016" could turn out to be either a positive feature or a defect depending on how things shake out.

Indeed.

But, there is no way to prove that the dealer back before 2016 actually entered the gun into MIRCS.

I think if a person has a dated invoice with serial numbers before 2016 - that would suffice under any scrutiny by the state.

I think the only option that the state has is to create a new registration system for lowers and grandfather in up to 2024 or when the bill passes.

IANAL but having a couple guns registered could be helpful but it is up to you if you want to hoard away the rest for the next Civil War.

 

[pastera]

Some FFL/State licensed dealers insisted on treading stripped lowers and frames as guns and reporting the sale via MIRCS at the time of sale. Depending on how the grandfathering works with the current monstrosoty of a bill, those lowers could have a higher value than pre-Healer lowers that were never registered but have paperwork showing them in-state prior to 2016.

So "not registered but documented as being in state before 2016" could turn out to be either a positive feature or a defect depending on how things shake out.

No grandfathering of lowers not registered prior to 7/20/16

provided further, that a weapon shall not be considered a copy or duplicate if the weapon was owned and registered prior to July 20, 2016;

Notice that this is a grandfathering of only the copy or duplicate ban - anything not a federal pre-ban cannot have more than two evil features.

Anyone that stocked up prior to the cut off but never FA-10'd the lowers will be sitting on felonies until this is hashed out in the courts.
Anyone that bought anything fun after moon landing day 2016 will also be an immediate felon (these cannot easily be brought into compliance)

“Firearm”, a stun gun, pistol, revolver or other weapon of any description, loaded or unloaded, that will, is designed to, or may readily be converted to, discharge a shot or bullet other than by compressed air and of which the length of the barrel or barrels is less than 16 inches or, in the case of a shotgun as originally manufactured, is less than 18 inches; provided, however, that “firearm” shall also include the completed or unfinished frame or receiver of any such weapon.

 

[Atlantis]

No grandfathering of lowers not registered prior to 7/20/16

Notice that this is a grandfathering of only the copy or duplicate ban - anything not a federal pre-ban cannot have more than two evil features.

Anyone that stocked up prior to the cut off but never FA-10'd the lowers will be sitting on felonies until this is hashed out in the courts.
Anyone that bought anything fun after moon landing day 2016 will also be an immediate felon (these cannot easily be brought into compliance)

So if you have a registered/FA-10d lower that was purchased in say 2022, you become a felon? Options are… destroy? Surrender? They coming around to knock and talk about it?

 

[Optimator]

So if you have a registered/FA-10d lower that was purchased in say 2022, you become a felon? Options are… destroy? Surrender? They coming around to knock and talk about it?

I think you can also report directly to MCI-Concord intake at 965 Elm St. Concord, MA.

 

[HorizontalHunter]

So if you have a registered/FA-10d lower that was purchased in say 2022, you become a felon? Options are… destroy? Surrender? They coming around to knock and talk about it?

Semi-definite maybe.

Still has to go through committee and whatever the final product is gets voted on.

 

[pastera]

Indeed.

But, there is no way to prove that the dealer back before 2016 actually entered the gun into MIRCS.

Yes there is - serial number search in the transfer database

I think if a person has a dated invoice with serial numbers before 2016 - that would suffice under any scrutiny by the state.

You can think all you want from your jail cell until SCOTUS strikes down all AWBs.

The exclusion is "that a weapon shall not be considered a copy or duplicate if the weapon was owned and registered prior to July 20, 2016" so your receipt shows ownership but not registration

One could argue that ONLY THE OWNER on 7/20/2016 is exempted from the copy or duplicate text - that would likely fail but would need to find a unicorn judge in MA to

I think the only option that the state has is to create a new registration system for lowers and grandfather in up to 2024 or when the bill passes.

Nope - they only have to define a transfer record as a valid form of registration prior to the passing of the bill.
Or they can keep the definition of the records as transfers not registrations therefore NOTHING post 94 could possibly be grandfathered since there were no registrations only records of transfer.

IANAL but having a couple guns registered could be helpful but it is up to you if you want to hoard away the rest for the next Civil War.

Neither am I a lawyer but your prior assertions don't hold a lot of water

 

[pastera]

So if you have a registered/FA-10d lower that was purchased in say 2022, you become a felon? Options are… destroy? Surrender? They coming around to knock and talk about it?

BBR applies

Big Boy Rules: you're an adult that must manage one's own risk tolerance.

Nothing in this bill can survive an actual judicial review under the 2a pillars (Heller, McDonald, Caetano and Bruen) but you won't see an actual review in Mass courts or the 1st circuit.

 

[pastera]

Semi-definite maybe.

Still has to go through committee and whatever the final product is gets voted on.

Correct - as written a transfer record dated 7/21/2016 or later is prima facia evidence of a crime. You don't need to currently possess the gun since the record is proof that you knowingly possessed a banned assault weapon within Massachusetts.