MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[Broc Tuah]

They do care and will do everything they possibly can to keep the time frame short so legal gun buyers get screwed out of exercising their constitutional rights.

Don't wait until the last minute.

 

[HorizontalHunter]

Don't wait until the last minute.

Truth……waiting will be expensive.

 

[1903Collector]

I got a lot of guns, not everything I want but I ain't putting myself deeper in debt either.

 

[chris_1001]

I got a lot of guns, not everything I want but I ain't putting myself deeper in debt either.

It’s called investing…

What was collecting in MA is now investing.

 

[scottco]

if I’m not mistaken there was a date of August 2024 bet it gets done before that date

 

[chris_1001]

if I’m not mistaken there was a date of August 2024 bet it gets done before that date

July 31st 11:59 pm

 

[556USER]

They are waiting for a headline stealer to release it all. A big news event that is the shiny new object then they release the bill.

I don't know. I'm thinking that this IS one of their big shiny new objects. Seeing as how liberal they are and that over 60% of the voters in Mass are cheering this on they won't want anything upstaging this madness. They'll want to tell their sheep how safe they are making them all. This will be a virtue signalling moment on the national stage for Maura. Hell, she'll want this thing to hit the streets right after another one of her illegal guests kills a citizen with an evil gun. Never mind that they don't follow any of her laws. Also I 'm being conservative when I say 60% of Mass voters. It's likely closer to 65%.

 

[556USER]

They know that once the final version is released it will set off all sorts of buying activity.

No doubt that they will make sure that the Mass side of background checker will be on the fritz.

 

[Horatio Alger Jr]

Dimples is going to use this bill as a catapult to the national stage.

This bill will not be passed quietly. They will not give a warning, but they will make sure everyone knows they saved the public from the law-abiding citizens.

 

[dhaze3]

Lets hope the senate - house committee battle it out until the 11th hour and it dies by the end of the session. Here's hoping for the best but, prepare for the worst !
Buy now while you can get what you want while you can and the shelves are still stocked.

 

[Picton]

I'm wondering what the pants-shitters' theories are about why it hasn't already been passed...

Seriously, we all agree that we're ruled by power-hungry bastards with no regard for gun rights, and that we are a politically negligible force in Massachusetts politics. So... what are they waiting for?

Bueller? I admit, I don't know. Unless I'm right that they're still trying to figure out how to
1. Make this Bruen-proof
2. Make it bad enough that they can tell the sheep it's a Big Deal
3. Get past the House/Senate pissing contest

That's my thinking. I have no idea whether that's correct. Other thoughts? I see that some of you are convinced they're waiting until the timing is favorable for Maura, and even though I disagree with that I admit it's not a bad argument... but then, when? What do you think they're waiting for? They have until the third Wednesday in November, by statute, or they have to start over again. What would Maura need to raise her national profile for before then? A hope of a cabinet pick if Biden wins in early November?

I want to hear some logic. Why aren't they already passing this?

 

[Coyote33]

Maybe they want to incorporate it into a larger overall campaign in the fall against guns, that all candidates on the other side can join in on.

 

[alx]

I want to hear some logic. Why aren't they already passing this?

Because they cannot agree. Every one of "these" people has a (personal) political agenda aimed at only enriching themselves. The house and the senate had the option to come up with a bill and both versions could not be more different from each other. So melting them together will take time. Also I am sure there are some cool (legal) heads there telling them that as it is the demands on the bill are not going to hold any water in the superior courts so they are trying to clean it up to a point where it has a chance when challenged. This all takes time.

One thing is for sure- once they have what they believe is the final product it will be voted prolly the next day and signed into law immediately. We may or may not get any actionable warning before that.

So I agree- if you fancy something- get it now on your terms instead in the 11th hour.

 

[chris_1001]

I want to hear some logic. Why aren't they already passing this?

They know they way overstepped/overreached on trying to include everything they did.

I’ll bet they are seeking advice on how to make this stick.

Too much at once…

Got greedy.

 

[Picton]

They know they way overstepped/overreached on trying to include everything they did.

I’ll bet they are seeking advice on how to make this stick.

Too much at once…

Got greedy.

I agree.

I don't know whether they'll be able to get it done.

 

[not new guy]

I'm wondering what the pants-shitters' theories are about why it hasn't already been passed...

Seriously, we all agree that we're ruled by power-hungry bastards with no regard for gun rights, and that we are a politically negligible force in Massachusetts politics. So... what are they waiting for?

Bueller? I admit, I don't know. Unless I'm right that they're still trying to figure out how to
1. Make this Bruen-proof
2. Make it bad enough that they can tell the sheep it's a Big Deal
3. Get past the House/Senate pissing contest

That's my thinking. I have no idea whether that's correct. Other thoughts? I see that some of you are convinced they're waiting until the timing is favorable for Maura, and even though I disagree with that I admit it's not a bad argument... but then, when? What do you think they're waiting for? They have until the third Wednesday in November, by statute, or they have to start over again. What would Maura need to raise her national profile for before then? A hope of a cabinet pick if Biden wins in early November?

I want to hear some logic. Why aren't they already passing this?

Hopefully it’s apathy.

 

[chris_1001]

I agree.

I don't know whether they'll be able to get it done.

They will absolutely try!!!

Even if illegal, they will give it a shot.

Just like Healy’s 7/2016 bs. Not a law, but had everyone pant shitting and panic buying.

 

[Tallahassee]

July 31st 11:59 pm

Grandfathering date?

 

[Tallahassee]

They know they way overstepped/overreached on trying to include everything they did.

I’ll bet they are seeking advice on how to make this stick.

Too much at once…

Got greedy.

Goal will sit down with them and help.

 

[chris_1001]

Grandfathering date?

Ask @Reptile

He’s the expert

 

[chris_1001]

Goal will sit down with them and help.

Now mura. Here is the constitution.

This verbiage here? Pay attention…

Shall NOT be infringed… OK? Got it?

Any questions? Nope… did not think so.

 

[Picton]

They will absolutely try!!!

Even if illegal, they will give it a shot.

Just like Healy’s 7/2016 bs. Not a law, but had everyone pant shitting and panic buying.

But, just like Healy's BS, this is just resulting in more gun sales in the Commonwealth.

See, that's the thing: they are not dumb. They know more guns are being sold because they're leaving this in limbo. They want fewer guns in our hands... why, then, are they letting this limp on? Maura sold more guns that day than any other 24-hour period in state history, I think, and they're flying off the shelves now because of this.

So... why? I'd love to hear from the pant-shitters who believe this law would have some impact, but I'm not sure they have an answer. Because this all makes zero sense if you think they actually intend to pass this and not get it overturned.

 

[chris_1001]

But, just like Healy's BS, this is just resulting in more gun sales in the Commonwealth.

See, that's the thing: they are not dumb. They know more guns are being sold because they're leaving this in limbo. They want fewer guns in our hands... why, then, are they letting this limp on? Maura sold more guns that day than any other 24-hour period in state history, I think, and they're flying off the shelves now because of this.

So... why? I'd love to hear from the pant-shitters who believe this law would have some impact, but I'm not sure they have an answer. Because this all makes zero sense if you think they actually intend to pass this and not get it overturned.

It’s not about results.

It’s all about optics.

We all know Obama and Clinton sold a metric ton of guns on fear alone. Healy also.

It’s all a game.

 

[fred6052000]

Ask @Reptile

He’s the expert

There you go. “Grandfathering” topic again! Grandfathering means that I don’t care what law you are going to pass as long as you’re not taking mine. Fvck future

 

[Horatio Alger Jr]

I agree.

I don't know whether they'll be able to get it done.

They will get it done. It has been done in other states. They are just figuring out how to cross the T and dot the I.

 

[chris_1001]

There you go. “Grandfathering” topic again! Grandfathering means that I don’t care what law you are going to pass as long as you’re not taking mine. Fvck future

I’m not that reptile.

I’m not expecting grandfathering.

 

[Picton]

They will get it done. It has been done in other states. They are just figuring out how to cross the T and dot the I.

If it is that simple, what're they waiting on?

I'm not convinced it's that simple.

 

[Junior314]

But, just like Healy's BS, this is just resulting in more gun sales in the Commonwealth.

See, that's the thing: they are not dumb. They know more guns are being sold because they're leaving this in limbo. They want fewer guns in our hands... why, then, are they letting this limp on? Maura sold more guns that day than any other 24-hour period in state history, I think, and they're flying off the shelves now because of this.

So... why? I'd love to hear from the pant-shitters who believe this law would have some impact, but I'm not sure they have an answer. Because this all makes zero sense if you think they actually intend to pass this and not get it overturned.

I don’t think they care about getting guns out of our hands. They care about erasing the 2A completely for future generations and let us languish with what we got.

It’s not about results.

It’s all about optics.

We all know Obama and Clinton sold a metric ton of guns on fear alone. Healy also.

It’s all a game.

Basically this.

 

[fred6052000]

I’m not that reptile.

I’m not expecting grandfathering.

I know. It wasn’t about you. It was about for those folks who talk about grandfathering. Man those people are selfish.

 

[KAG Arms]

I know. It wasn’t about you. It was about for those folks who talk about grandfathering. Man those people are selfish.

Article 1, § 9 Clause 3 is really selfish. How dare them even think about it.