MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[Tallahassee]

I know. It wasn’t about you. It was about for those folks who talk about grandfathering. Man those people are selfish ignorant and borderline retarded.

Fixed it

 

[chris_1001]

Fixed it

It’s always about Chris…

 

[Tallahassee]

Now mura. Here is the constitution.

This verbiage here? Pay attention…

Shall NOT be infringed… OK? Got it?

Any questions? Nope… did not think so.

More like, here's the constitution. You can step all over it, just give the morons grandfathering and let them keep pre 94 trash, and they won't put up a fight.

Hey fellas, we gots the grandfathering. It could have been soooooo much worse! Whew!

 

[chris_1001]

More like, here's the constitution. You can step all over it, just give the morons grandfathering and let them keep pre 94 trash, and they won't put up a fight.

Hey fellas, we gots the grandfathering. It could have been soooooo much worse! Whew!

f*** her and her games.

2A is absolute

Shall not…

 

[Reptile]

Ask @Reptile

He’s the expert

There you go. “Grandfathering” topic again! Grandfathering means that I don’t care what law you are going to pass as long as you’re not taking mine. Fvck future

I’m not that reptile.

I’m not expecting grandfathering.

I know. It wasn’t about you. It was about for those folks who talk about grandfathering. Man those people are selfish.

Article 1, § 9 Clause 3 is really selfish. How dare them even think about it.

If they don't grandfather - the bill would be outrageously unconstitutional.

So, we'll have a better chance in the courts.

I'd rather lose the rarity of a pre Healey Noveske than be forbidden to buy more lowers in the future.

 

[Agnotology]

There you go. “Grandfathering” topic again! Grandfathering means that I don’t care what law you are going to pass as long as you’re not taking mine. Fvck future

Grandfathering means not becoming a forever prohibited person while we fight it in the courts.

 

[chris_1001]

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If they don't grandfather - the bill would be outrageously unconstitutional.

So, we'll have a better chance in the courts.

I'd rather lose the rarity of a pre Healey Noveske than be forbidden to buy more lowers in the future.

Agree.

But this is MA. Who knows.

 

[Picton]

I don’t think they care about getting guns out of our hands. They care about erasing the 2A completely for future generations and let us languish with what we got.

One or two of them might be deluded enough to think that's possible, but most of them have to know they're against the flow of history? I don't think they're that stupid.

Or maybe they are. Weird.

 

[Horatio Alger Jr]

If it is that simple, what're they waiting on?

I'm not convinced it's that simple.

They are making sure it will survive the SC long enough. They are trying to structure it so they will not get called out.

Think about what they are doing with the illegal aliens here. What they are doing is 1000% illegal, yet they found a few loopholes.

They are making sure their anti-2A loophole is solid. That is it.

 

[Picton]

They are making sure it will survive the SC long enough. They are trying to structure it so they will not get called out.

Think about what they are doing with the illegal aliens here. What they are doing is 1000% illegal, yet they found a few loopholes.

They are making sure their anti-2A loophole is solid. That is it.

I tend to agree that's what they're trying to do.

 

[Da_lucche]

And I thought I had it bad being 5 months in and not having my suppressor approved yet...

 

[not new guy]

Grandfathering enables apathy among those who would otherwise be outraged and it makes the law less likely to be defeated in court.

 

[Broc Tuah]

I'm wondering what the pants-shitters' theories are about why it hasn't already been passed...

Seriously, we all agree that we're ruled by power-hungry bastards with no regard for gun rights, and that we are a politically negligible force in Massachusetts politics. So... what are they waiting for?

Bueller? I admit, I don't know. Unless I'm right that they're still trying to figure out how to
1. Make this Bruen-proof
2. Make it bad enough that they can tell the sheep it's a Big Deal
3. Get past the House/Senate pissing contest

That's my thinking. I have no idea whether that's correct. Other thoughts? I see that some of you are convinced they're waiting until the timing is favorable for Maura, and even though I disagree with that I admit it's not a bad argument... but then, when? What do you think they're waiting for? They have until the third Wednesday in November, by statute, or they have to start over again. What would Maura need to raise her national profile for before then? A hope of a cabinet pick if Biden wins in early November?

I want to hear some logic. Why aren't they already passing this?

They can't Bruen Proof this.

My guess... they are working on how to get people to register their guns if they want them grandfathered.

 

[fred6052000]

Fixed it

Perfect now!

 

[MetroWest]

IDK - getting the feeling the progressives have finally jumped the shark (meaning even liberals are noticing) WRT to governance of this state. The $1B state budget shortfall, declining state revenues, pushback on the MBTA housing legislation (thanks Baker but now Healey/Campbell are doubling down on it), housing 7,500 "migrant" families and all that comes with that, diminished transparency into the executive and legislative branches (even the Glob and Chan 2 are talking about this), elimination of term limits for the Senate President, nomination of an ex-lover as a SJC judge, etc., etc.
If the MA Republican Party could get its sh*t together there is a lot of opportunity to make the Dems wobbly on a number of issues. It may help lessen the Dems focus on this absurd gun legislation if they have to fight other, bigger battles.

 

[Picton]

IDK - getting the feeling the progressives have finally jumped the shark (meaning even liberals are noticing) WRT to governance of this state. The $1B state budget shortfall, declining state revenues, pushback on the MBTA housing legislation (thanks Baker but now Healey/Campbell are doubling down on it), housing 7,500 "migrant" families and all that comes with that, diminished transparency into the executive and legislative branches (even the Glob and Chan 2 are talking about this), elimination of term limits for the Senate President, nomination of an ex-lover as a SJC judge, etc., etc.
If the MA Republican Party could get its sh*t together there is a lot of opportunity to make the Dems wobbly on a number of issues. It may help lessen the Dems focus on this absurd gun legislation if they have to fight other, bigger battles.

I was thinking about this today; it occurs to me that the "sanctuary state" thing is starting to lose the media, and once you lose the media? You lose.

Every day, there are an increasing number of stories highlighting the negative aspects of Healy's policy toward illegals. Crimes, the budget shortfall, the slapdash nature of the housing itself, the overall waste... it's all getting reported now. Towns are beginning to push back, and the media are not ignoring that either. The same is happening to Wu, though when they picked on her about Mass/Cass and she started making noises about being upset, they pulled back. But she's vulnerable, and they know it.

Healy and Wu are under scrutiny. We'll see if it bears any fruit for our side. I'm not all that optimistic, but if TPTB are uncomfortable, then I'm happy.

 

[MetroWest]

Healey and Wu both have an authoritarian mindset. Eventually one or both will latch on to some issue that will trigger the media. In the best of all scenarios they may end up being one-term executives.

 

[dhaze3]

I think a couple reason why the committee will drag there feet in the short term is as stated there are major differences to be overcome between the house and senate version that will take a little time, negotiating and some feel good back slapping to come together. Also, the Supreme Court has several pending state assault weapon and magazine ban cases in front of them. If the SC should strike one or all down it could sink the entire assault weapon /magazine restrictions bans country wide. That would poo poo in there proposed legislation and the existing ban here in Ma. One could only Hope !!

 

[DarthRevan]

I was thinking about this today; it occurs to me that the "sanctuary state" thing is starting to lose the media, and once you lose the media? You lose.

Every day, there are an increasing number of stories highlighting the negative aspects of Healy's policy toward illegals. Crimes, the budget shortfall, the slapdash nature of the housing itself, the overall waste... it's all getting reported now. Towns are beginning to push back, and the media are not ignoring that either. The same is happening to Wu, though when they picked on her about Mass/Cass and she started making noises about being upset, they pulled back. But she's vulnerable, and they know it.

Healy and Wu are under scrutiny. We'll see if it bears any fruit for our side. I'm not all that optimistic, but if TPTB are uncomfortable, then I'm happy.

lol it won’t.

 

[dhaze3]

But, just like Healy's BS, this is just resulting in more gun sales in the Commonwealth.

See, that's the thing: they are not dumb. They know more guns are being sold because they're leaving this in limbo. They want fewer guns in our hands... why, then, are they letting this limp on? Maura sold more guns that day than any other 24-hour period in state history, I think, and they're flying off the shelves now because of this.

So... why? I'd love to hear from the pant-shitters who believe this law would have some impact, but I'm not sure they have an answer. Because this all makes zero sense if you think they actually intend to pass this and not get it overturned.

I agree but, the problem is it could take years to be overturned in the courts but, it affects the MA gun owner instantly as soon as Heir Healy signs it and until it is played out. The damage is done.

 

[not new guy]

This just feels like the pace of government. It’s relatively complex trying to reconcile them, at least if you’re holding out any hope of the eventual law standing up to scrutiny. They probably also have to coordinate with outside interests, which adds delay.

 

[Picton]

I agree but, the problem is it could take years to be overturned in the courts but, it affects the MA gun owner instantly as soon as Heir Healy signs it and until it is played out. The damage is done.

It doesn't have to.

Compliance is optional.

 

[dhaze3]

It doesn't have to.

Compliance is optional.

Yes, compliance is optional but, what will there be to purchase. This legislation will ban just about every semi auto pistol , rifle and shotgun available and that will be instant. FFL's will be out of business in the state because they cant keep the lights on.

 

[Picton]

Yes, compliance is optional but, what will there be to purchase. This legislation will ban just about every semi auto pistol , rifle and shotgun available and that will be instant. FFL's will be out of business in the state because they cant keep the lights on.

Yes. It will be difficult.

It was difficult when SCOTUS tried to spring Japanese-Americans out of the camps, or desegregate schools, or allow blacks to vote, or a host of other decisions involving individual rights. The government, both state and federal, fought the courts to keep subjugating their citizens. All those people had to suffer and fight for their rights. That's where we are now.

We better be the equal of our forebears. Fight however you want, but whining won't help you. Fight. If you're a gun owner told to surrender your shit, keep it. If you're a gun buyer who can't find the gun you want, work harder to find it. If you're a gun dealer who can't keep the lights on, take a second or third or fourth job. You can't stop the government from doing what it wants: you can only affect the way you CHOOSE to react.

Choose courageously. Your rights are worth fighting for. Your fathers let things get this bad; your children are waiting for you to fix it. So fix it.

 

[mothybee]

It’s not about results.

It’s all about optics.

We all know Obama and Clinton sold a metric ton of guns on fear alone. Healy also.

It’s all a game.

Probably all secretly invested in firearms companies.

 

[HARRYM]

The Senate just dropped their version of the gun grab bill.

Amendment S.2572

malegislature.gov

"An Act to sensibly address firearm violence through effective reform"

We are looking at it now and will have more to say shortly.

I would be curious to know where GOAL membership stands today versus a year ago.

 

[dlaw63]

The Senate just dropped their version of the gun grab bill.

Amendment S.2572

malegislature.gov

"An Act to sensibly address firearm violence through effective reform"

We are looking at it now and will have more to say shortly.

Everyone should watch this 20/20 episode that was shown on ABC News regarding gun control. I did send this to every member on the GOAL panel in Boston as well. -
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=682JLrsUmEM&list=WL&index=2

 

[HorizontalHunter]

Because they cannot agree. Every one of "these" people has a (personal) political agenda aimed at only enriching themselves. The house and the senate had the option to come up with a bill and both versions could not be more different from each other.

This is where I am at as well. I really think that they can’t agree and the Representatives are digging their heels in because the Senators want to “water the bill down.”

 

[M60]

OK, M60
First off, I don't understand why you would be upset with my previous post regarding this garbage legislation that the Ma legislature is trying to force feed us. It was not a post of instruction it was a general comment or opinion of what should, could be done to not comply "if the new pending gun control law is passed". If you somehow misconstrued my post I don't know what more I can say to you. Most certainly bad language and name calling does not resolve the situation any further. Whether I'm a paying green member or not is not your concern and if that makes you upset than I am truly sorry for you.

Not a post of instruction you say? Below are some of your exact words.
1. Do not register
2. Do not comply
3. Go about your daily life
4. See you in court
5. Move out.
As I read your words again, you are right. You didn't give instructions. You gave orders. To use your words again, the last thing I'll say here to you in this thread is, if you can't see that you issued orders , "I feel sorry for you".

 

[aphextwin11]

Not a post of instruction you say? Below are some of your exact words.
1. Do not register
2. Do not comply
3. Go about your daily life
4. See you in court
5. Move out.
As I read your words again, you are right. You didn't give instructions. You gave orders. To use your words again, the last thing I'll say here to you in this thread is, if you can't see that you issued orders , "I feel sorry for you".

Nobody gives a f***. Get a room