MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[kencop93]

Im glad I finally moved out of Mass. since I started interest in guns, its only gotten worse in Mass. ive never seen it get better. When the Federal AWB was going to sunset, everyone got excited because even in Mass was going to sunset. Then Mitt Romney went in to statehouse at 2345 and signed the bill to last forever. Again, things are getting worse now.

 

[M1911]

Im glad I finally moved out of Mass. since I started interest in guns, its only gotten worse in Mass. ive never seen it get get better. When the Federal AWB was going to sunset, everyone got excited because even in Mass was going to sunset. Then Mitt Romney went in to statehouse at 2345 and signed the bill to last forever. Again, things are getting worse now.

I would place as much or more blame on the legislature than the Mittster. If he didn't sign it they just would have overridden him -- they had the votes. Should he have vetoed it? Yes. Would that have made any difference in the outcome? No.

 

[Dadstoys]

Im glad I finally moved out of Mass. since I started interest in guns, its only gotten worse in Mass. ive never seen it get better. When the Federal AWB was going to sunset, everyone got excited because even in Mass was going to sunset. Then Mitt Romney went in to statehouse at 2345 and signed the bill to last forever. Again, things are getting worse now.

But we have to elect RINOS .
They won't screw us over as much as Dems .
He had an R after his name so it wasn't really signed into law as much as if a D had signed it.

 

[M1911]

But we have to elect RINOS .
They won't screw us over as much as Dems .
He had an R after his name so it wasn't really signed into law as much as if a D had signed it.

Again, he shouldn’t have signed it, but it didn’t matter: if he had vetoed it the legislature simply would have overridden his veto. They had the votes.

If you look at the number of Republican seats in the MA legislature, you will see that the number of R seats has dropped significantly since Lyons took over. Conservative R candidates lost their elections, so they can’t vote the way you want them to. If there are R representatives in the legislature, you at least have a chance to lobby them to try to convince them to vote the right way. Conservative R candidates who lost their elections can’t help you stop bad legislation— candidates who lost their election have no political power, even if they do have the right political views.

But you’ll keep on nominating conservative candidates who can’t get elected, driving MA even further into a one-party state. Then you’ll blame us RINOs for the fact that the R party has no political power in MA.

 

[Joeldiaz]

the legislature simply would have overridden his veto. They had the votes.

Always have, always will. For all time. Always.

 

[M1911]

Always have, always will. For all time. Always.

If we had more R votes in the legislature, as we did before Jim Lyons cratered the MA R party, we could at least push back on the margins, as we did in the past. With effectively no Rs in the legislature, the Ds have a completely free hand for even the most egregiously progressive legislation.

 

[Junior314]

Again, he shouldn’t have signed it, but it didn’t matter: if he had vetoed it the legislature simply would have overridden his veto. They had the votes.

If you look at the number of Republican seats in the MA legislature, you will see that the number of R seats has dropped significantly since Lyons took over. Conservative R candidates lost their elections, so they vote the way you want them to. If there are R representatives in the legislature, you at least have a chance to lobby them to try to convince them to vote the right way. Conservative R candidates who lost their elections can’t help you stop bad legislation— candidates who lost their election have no political power, even if they do have the right political views.

But you’ll keep on nominating conservative candidates who can’t get elected, driving MA even further into a one-party state. Then you’ll blame us RINOs for the fact that the R party has no political power in MA.

The problem with this argument is Republicans never exercise political power then it doesn’t matter if they are in office or not.

 

[M1911]

The problem with this argument is Republicans never exercise political power then it doesn’t matter if they are in office or not.

I disagree with your analysis.

The reality is that the Ds will always have the majority in MA. So what that means is that Rs can’t pass conservative legislation in MA. They simply can’t. You need to accept that.

What they can do is to push back on the margins and try to tone down the progressive excesses. You don’t see that — all you see is legislation that you don’t like being passed. But that legislation could have been much worse. So then you decide that the solution is to nominate conservative candidates who can’t get elected. So instead of the R party having some power they now have no power.

Some power is better than no power. Even if that power is simply to force recorded votes instead of voice votes.

 

[pastera]

I would place as much or more blame on the legislature than the Mittster. If he didn't sign it they just would have overridden him -- they had the votes. Should he have vetoed it? Yes. Would that have made any difference in the outcome? No.

You don't participate in evil just because there is a line of willing participants.

 

[Junior314]

I disagree with your analysis.

The reality is that the Ds will always have the majority in MA. So what that means is that Rs can’t pass conservative legislation in MA. They simply can’t. You need to accept that.

What they can do is to push back on the margins and try to tone down the progressive excesses. You don’t see that — all you see is legislation that you don’t like being passed. But that legislation could have been much worse. So then you decide that the solution is to nominate conservative candidates who can’t get elected. So instead of the R party having some power they now have no power.

Some power is better than no power. Even if that power is simply to force recorded votes instead of voice votes.

Examples of this in MA please?

 

[Grendizer138]

Examples of this in MA please?

UR so dumb. We need to elect more RINOs so that it’s more palatable for us when their vetoes are over-ridden and objections ignored.

 

[mothybee]

Exactly, what ever the outcome of this pending unconstitutional legislation and they may as well ban everything because that's ultimately what they want . Do not register, Do not comply. Go about your daily life and will see you in court or move out. Anybody have any other options to throw on the fire...........

Not on this site.

 

[oldguy68]

Not on this site.

I see what you did there!

 

[Dadstoys]

Again, he shouldn’t have signed it, but it didn’t matter: if he had vetoed it the legislature simply would have overridden his veto. They had the votes.

If you look at the number of Republican seats in the MA legislature, you will see that the number of R seats has dropped significantly since Lyons took over. Conservative R candidates lost their elections, so they vote the way you want them to. If there are R representatives in the legislature, you at least have a chance to lobby them to try to convince them to vote the right way. Conservative R candidates who lost their elections can’t help you stop bad legislation— candidates who lost their election have no political power, even if they do have the right political views.

But you’ll keep on nominating conservative candidates who can’t get elected, driving MA even further into a one-party state. Then you’ll blame us RINOs for the fact that the R party has no political power in MA.

Every single Republican in this state with the exception of Dean Tran signed on to the red flag law .
Every freaking one.
I feel better that they had our back ,in a "Just hold your ankles and bite down on something" kind of way.

 

[bigred460]

Yes- I'm replying to myself. I emailed every one of them and not a single reply whether automated or not. I'll be calling tomorrow. I hope that everyone is reaching out, as futile as it may seem.

Emailed my letters to all the committee members, also sending a hard copy via snailmail. Copied my local Reps and Senators on the letter. Was wondering if in person meetings with the committee members makes sense. Didn't know if any constituents of the committee members had similar thoughts, would be willing to join the meeting if it make sense.

 

[Ron Jablonski]

I know that they're in super secret squirrel backdoor mode at the moment, but does anybody have a guess on the timeline of this process? Are we talking days, weeks or months?

 

[M60]

Exactly, what ever the outcome of this pending unconstitutional legislation and they may as well ban everything because that's ultimately what they want . Do not register, Do not comply. Go about your daily life and will see you in court or move out. Anybody have any other options to throw on the fire...........

Yes. Go green before giving instructions to everyone.

 

[mothybee]

I know that they're in super secret squirrel backdoor mode at the moment, but does anybody have a guess on the timeline of this process? Are we talking days, weeks or months?

Yes, after the hookers go home.

 

[Picton]

Yes, after the hookers go home.

The problem is that while there's a general hooker entrance, there's no general hooker exit.

They'll be in there for awhile.

 

[chris_1001]

The problem is that while there's a general hooker entrance, there's no general hooker exit.

They'll be in there for awhile.

The back door???

What, wait, what?

 

[wildwest]

Emailed my letters to all the committee members, also sending a hard copy via snailmail. Copied my local Reps and Senators on the letter. Was wondering if in person meetings with the committee members makes sense. Didn't know if any constituents of the committee members had similar thoughts, would be willing to join the meeting if it make sense.

While not a bad idea, given the fact they are having closed doors meetings I can't imagine they would be open to any type of public input. Hell even when they pretended they cared about the public input they didn't listen. Nonetheless, wouldn't hurt to ask. Would add another check to the box of "failed to listen to voters" at the least.

 

[HorizontalHunter]

Nonetheless, wouldn't hurt to ask. Would add another check to the box of "failed to listen to voters" at the least.

They could care less what we think. They continue to be re-elected anyway.

 

[wildwest]

They could care less what we think. They continue to be re-elected anyway.

Sad but true

 

[Coyote33]

Yes, after the hookers go home.

The back door???
What, wait, what?

 

[dhaze3]

Yes. Go green before giving instructions to everyone.

Didn't realize that was a pre requisite to be a part of this forum or post a comment. I'll go back under my rock now......

 

[M60]

Didn't realize that was a pre requisite to be a part of this forum or post a comment. I'll go back under my rock now......

Your comment was presented as instruction. If life under your rock is what you prefer to going green, ok bye.

 

[not new guy]

Green guilting is tacky.

 

[MGnoob]

Green guilting is tacky.

Tacky is my style.

 

[bigred460]

I know that they're in super secret squirrel backdoor mode at the moment, but does anybody have a guess on the timeline of this process? Are we talking days, weeks or months?

Could be today or July or anything in between.

 

[Warm_Garand]

Tacky is my style.

You probably shouldn't be in favor of letting lowbrow retards set the vibe for the web site. Ultimately it is counterproductive. Just sayin'.